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The state of Scottish football
Topic Started: 26 Jun 2018, 10:28 AM (9,101 Views)
IainG
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Mods, move this to the World Cup Discussion thread if more appropriate. Anyway,I've been thinking about where we are as a football nation in relation specifically to three other countries all with smaller populations than Scotland (5.3m). Uruguay 3.4m, Croatia 4.1m,Iceland 0.3m.
All these countries presently do far better than Scotland in International football,in the case of Uruguay,historically so. Croatia wasn't even a country 30 years ago and Iceland's population is less than that of Edinburgh.
In club football the best players in all these three countries play abroad whereas the bulk of our International team play either in Scotland or the lower English leagues. Celtic carry the rest of Scottish club football on their shoulders. Other clubs qualifying for Europe are usually out before the schools go back!
This post however is mainly pointed towards the International game. What is wrong with Scottish International football where football is perceived to be the national sport? Is it coaching,style of play,SFA incompetence in running the game,weather,or is it we just don't produce the players with the ability to succeed? Would a switch to Summer football help?
I've given this a lot of thought whilst watching the World Cup and suspect the whole structure of the game here needs torn down and rebuilt from the grass roots upward with proper coaching and facilities. A long job but surely must be done.
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remy mcswain
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Oh good, summer football. I wondered how long till this panacea would be proposed.

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IainG
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Ah but I was so much older then,I'm younger than that now
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remy mcswain
26 Jun 2018, 10:29 AM
Oh good, summer football. I wondered how long till this panacea would be proposed.

I'm not proposing anything just suggesting it might help. Probably not but should be considered amongst many other things.

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Ned Rise
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If we stopped appointing shampooe managers who pick shampooe players to play in a shampooe system then we might get better.

sewra flitre needs to go back to school.
Edited by Ned Rise, 26 Jun 2018, 10:33 AM.
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remy mcswain
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IainG
26 Jun 2018, 10:32 AM
remy mcswain
26 Jun 2018, 10:29 AM
Oh good, summer football. I wondered how long till this panacea would be proposed.

I'm not proposing anything just suggesting it might help. Probably not but should be considered amongst many other things.

It absolutely should not be considered at professional level.
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Club football dominates Scotland. We punch way above our weight when it comes to club football. Still doesn't excuse our poor record on the international scene.
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Greeniebhoy
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It's the backwards attitude. I seen a pre-season video of ICT doing pre-season with an army training instructor. Pros should be coming back to pre-season at a high level of fitness. No need to rag them stupid. More time should be spent with the ball, drills, skills etc.

Appointing managers that have done sweet fa doesn't help.
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puroresu_boy
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It's embarrassing. Croatia is a tiny nation yet look at the difference in the standard of player they produce.

Technically Scotland still doesn't produce good enough players.


We don't need a side full of world class players but there is no reason why we can't have a side which has technically efficient players who can do the basics.

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remy mcswain
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puroresu_boy
26 Jun 2018, 11:03 AM
It's embarrassing. Croatia is a tiny nation yet look at the difference in the standard of player they produce.

Technically Scotland still doesn't produce good enough players.


We don't need a side full of world class players but there is no reason why we can't have a side which has technically efficient players who can do the basics.

Most of them can do the basics. What Scotland doesn't need is managers in thrall to the English Championship.
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fatboab
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plastic pitches should be banned from the pro game. That surface at Hamilton is a complete joke.

Good referees would help too.
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Wailer
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There’s no investment in the yoofs, my kids club were being asked to pay a small fortitude for them to play on the local schools new Astro pitch. They should also get rid of the competitive leagues for kids and focus on skills instead. Parents should be banned from the touch lines too as they don’t help one bit and the facilities out with new Astro pitches is non existent at times.

Edit : the kids should have summer football
Edited by Wailer, 26 Jun 2018, 12:04 PM.
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puroresu_boy
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remy mcswain
26 Jun 2018, 11:53 AM
puroresu_boy
26 Jun 2018, 11:03 AM
It's embarrassing. Croatia is a tiny nation yet look at the difference in the standard of player they produce.

Technically Scotland still doesn't produce good enough players.


We don't need a side full of world class players but there is no reason why we can't have a side which has technically efficient players who can do the basics.

Most of them can do the basics. What Scotland doesn't need is managers in thrall to the English Championship.


I don't think they can. The basics are controlling the ball with one touch and passing accurately even when under pressure..

We certainly do not have enough players who can do that to a required standard.

Just look at the European results for clubs outside Celtic. They struggle to beat minor opposition in Europe due to quality gap.
Edited by puroresu_boy, 26 Jun 2018, 12:08 PM.
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Tauriskos
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about Croatia.
Croatia is a "new" nation, but it always played a major role in Yugoslav football, plus being a new nation and being born from war, it makes them have that zeal, pride and extra-patriotism representing the country that "normal" NTs don't have. Plus in reality they recruit from wider pool than Croatia itself, one third of Bosnia is Croat (there are and were several Bosnian Croats playing for Croatia) and their diaspora (several players were from Western Europe and Australia) of all the Yugoslav nations, Croats had the highest diaspora. Kovacic was born in Austria, Rakitic in Switzerland, at least Corluka and Lovren were born in Bosnia.

EDIT: This didnt' add much to discussion, why Scotland is so poor, though. I'm aware of it, more now, on second thought.
Edited by Tauriskos, 26 Jun 2018, 12:08 PM.
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Dannybhoy95
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IainG
26 Jun 2018, 10:28 AM
Is it coaching, style of play
These are the only things that matter. Croatia's FA makes our one look like choir boys.

We don't encourage progressive play in Scotland. eff even on here, after back-to-back trebles you still have folk pining for Rodgers to play an old fashioned 4-4-2.

Steve Clarke, who I like a lot, btw, said something along the lines of 'we need to drag Celtic down to our level'. Therein lies the problem and why we get regularly embarrassed on the European qualifying stage.
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There are other examples such as Japan.

Japan never entered a world cup prior to 1998. Since then they have qualified for 5 more getting out of the group twice.

They have a league which is probably a higher standard than what we see in Scotland and a national side far better than Scotland.

How can it be that a nation such as Japan can move so much quicker and surpass Scotland when historically Japan was a minor footballing nation.
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Lester Burnham
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I remember reading a while ago that Iceland invested lots of money into footballing facilities and infrastructure at all levels.

Looks like they are now seeing the return on that investment.

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Croatia may be a smaller nation than Scotland but it has a far higher percentage of football participation than Scotland does.
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Lester Burnham
26 Jun 2018, 12:22 PM
I remember reading a while ago that Iceland invested lots of money into footballing facilities and infrastructure at all levels.

Looks like they are now seeing the return on that investment.

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Exactly

Not a mystery - investment in facilities and coaching is what Scotland needs. Produce the players and even some of the idiots they appoint to run the senior team would have to notice.
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We are stuck in the footballing dark ages, even here at Celtic you still have folk in the stands, forums and pubs pining for players "with dig" & "who will run aw day for ye" as their main/sole attributes.
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Too much Iron bru and PlayStation. Not enough jumpers for goalposts in schools and facilities nobody can afford to play on.

That's before the standard of coaching even gets discussed.
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