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Goalkeepers
Topic Started: 7 Jun 2018, 05:42 PM (7,559 Views)
Jimmy_Quinn's_Hattrick
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I think, with regards to Boruc, you just have to be a bit mad in order to be a truly greater 'keeper. He didn't just have great reflexes (and they were great), he also had a great ability to make himself a big obstacle and get back to his feet and across the goal. Big Fraz had the obvious advantage of being the height of the goalpost, but also had an excellent ability to get himself down to the ground and extend those massive arms to where the ball was going. Both of them were exceptional players, and at times put in some of the finest individual performances you'll ever see from a Celtic player. Both of them should have gone on to a far higher level than they did.

Gordon is in no sense a bad goalkeeper, but is clearly a distant third compared to Boruc and Forster. It's hard to say where his career would have gone if not for the catastrophic series of injuries he had, but he's definitely having a far better late-career experience than either of his predecessors, made all the more significant because he came back from what most people thought would be an early retirement.

Lukasz Zaluska was a below-average goalkeeper who, in normal circumstances, shouldn't have been anywhere near the team in Utrecht. What a horrible night that was. Dorus de Vries has turned out the same way. Mark Brown and Logan Bailly were poor and only slightly less forgettable than luminaries such as Lubos Kamenar, Viktor Noring and Max Oberschmidt.

I like Bain; I think he'll be a reliable deputy and see more rotation with Gordon than DDV has.

Dominic Cervi retired at 25 to become an investment banker; his LinkedIn describes his time as having "Led, organized and managed ten teammates in an unpredictable and dynamic environment".
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Boruc at his best was better than Forster at his best. Big Artur had it in him to achieve incredible feats of physics as a result of his own mentalism and eccentricity but that's something which will came and went based on how arsed he could be at the time. :lol: Forster was consistently the better goalkeeper but, on occasion, Boruc could pull something out the bag that I don't think Fraser could. Both of them are head and shoulders the best keepers we've had in my lifetime. I'd have Boruc in a European Cup final but Forster for almost every other game.

Gordon is a clear third while Douglas seems to be getting a worse reputation since he's not been playing for us than when he was here. Comparing him to the goalies we'd had over the 10 years prior to him he was Buffon. His performances on the run were a key part of the Seville season which makes him a strong 4th place on this list for me.

Beyond them it's mostly a list of also-rans and pub quiz questions. David Marshall showed some signs but never really got where he should've been with us; Jon Gould was every bit the filler he's remembered as; Mark Brown, Zaluska etc etc.
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TheMaestro
7 Jun 2018, 10:32 PM
Douglas was horrendous. Absolutely horrendous. Dont recall him ever making a decent save in any big game.
You must have missed a helluva lot of games. Rab Douglas had many great games for us especially during the Seville run. I can remember at least half a dozen spectacular saves, especially from free kicks. I believe he also holds or held the record for most clean sheets.
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Boruc was next level. A look through YouTube will remind anyone who needs it that he’s the best we have had in recent times. Proper match winner.

Listened to McManus telling Si Ferry on his show that Boruc joined him in the bath after training necking tins of lager. Some of the best goalkeepers have a screw loose, but Artur was next level in that department too.

Should have gone on to have a far better career. At least we got his best years.
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Always liked Forster. Always used him as a cheap option in my PL fantasy teams
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Butters
7 Jun 2018, 10:40 PM
Having only seen Bonner from YouTube videos I'm surprised so many rated him.

Looks like every goal McCoist scored against us came from a shot he spilled or a cross he missed.
Having been at many of his many games for Celtic you’re spot on. Pat Bonner absolutely loves Celtic and he’s a lovely man and made some career for himself, but he wasn’t a top class keeper at all. He was one of our ordinary keepers capable of the odd great game, but that was it
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Harry68
8 Jun 2018, 06:40 AM
Butters
7 Jun 2018, 10:40 PM
Having only seen Bonner from YouTube videos I'm surprised so many rated him.

Looks like every goal McCoist scored against us came from a shot he spilled or a cross he missed.
Having been at many of his many games for Celtic you’re spot on. Pat Bonner absolutely loves Celtic and he’s a lovely man and made some career for himself, but he wasn’t a top class keeper at all. He was one of our ordinary keepers capable of the odd great game, but that was it
Packie is a nice guy and all that but on being a good keeper...he wasn't. Fairly Decent shot stopper is a stretch for me to type but too many clangers. Fact he last so long at the club is a bit mystifying.
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At the time we had Douglas, he was the best keeper we'd had in a long time. Thats how bad the ones before him were.

Boruc was world class, the two long term first choice since are a steady decline in quality over the previous one, but both are still far, far better than Douglas ever was.
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I think Boruc has been head and shoulders above anything we've had in a long time, at his peak undoubtedly once of the best in Europe. I also think Broto (From Livingston I think) had a much bigger role to play with us, but if i'm correct demanded too much money too soon into his Celtic career. I also thought prior to signing Forster we should actually have signed the boy Pletikosa who played in a friendly then was never seen again, had a good European pedigree and seemed similar to Boruc, but cant remember the circumstances behind not signing him.
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The Green Lantern
7 Jun 2018, 10:53 PM
IainG
7 Jun 2018, 10:36 PM
TheMaestro
7 Jun 2018, 10:32 PM
Douglas was horrendous. Absolutely horrendous. Dont recall him ever making a decent save in any big game.
That's not true. In the run to Seville he had some very good performances. He was undoubtedly error prone but far from horrendous.
He made a great save from Gerrard in the game at Anfield.
I don't rate Douglas but I thought he made some excellent saves throughout that game. With him being so obviously over 6ft tall, maybe some of those saves are ones that another keeper wouldn't have reached. Probably not, but he's due credit for good games that he had as much as he's due criticism for any less impressive ones. As has been said, it's probably accurate to say he was a poor keeper who had some outstanding games like he did against Liverpool
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7 Jun 2018, 11:09 PM
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7 Jun 2018, 10:55 PM
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7 Jun 2018, 10:27 PM
Forster just edges boruc for me. Boruc attitude at times let him down, but he was class as well.

In my time of watching Celtic, Forster, boruc, Gordon, bonner, Douglas.

DDV, Gould, Gordon Marshall, Hedman all dross and caused varying levels of consternation for me.
I always liked Gould.

He obviously never reached the standard of Boruc, Forster, or even Gordon, but he rarely let us down.
I agree Gould was steady enough. I just couldn’t stand G Marshall. Find it hard to dislike any Celtic player but he pushed the boundaries. Convinced he had gloves sewn onto the end of his sleeves with no hands in them.
I hated that carrot.

A dreadful keeper who never looked up to the task of playing for Celtic. Even though we had some stellar talents playing for us under TB, we were always a palmed shot away from disaster with him at the back.
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remy mcswain
7 Jun 2018, 06:18 PM
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7 Jun 2018, 05:42 PM
Since it's the close season and our transfer dealings have not taken off yet I thought a discussion about our keepers of recent years might be ok. So, in the last twenty years or so who has impressed?

I would say Boruc,Forster & Gordon are the pick. Boruc at his best was head and shoulders above the others imo. Some of the back-ups were awful though.
Forster at his best was better than Boruc. At his worst, he was miles better than Boruc at his fattest worst.
I think you’ll be in the minority with your first point.
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the best ever goalkeeping performance from any Celtic keeper was Forster the night we beat Barcelona 2-1. It's very sad to see how far he has fallen.
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fatboab
8 Jun 2018, 10:10 AM
the best ever goalkeeping performance from any Celtic keeper was Forster the night we beat Barcelona 2-1. It's very sad to see how far he has fallen.
One standout memory of mine from that game is them constantly launching the ball over the bar. Every chance they got, up it went :lol: :lol:

I also don't think Forster made a series of saves in that game that are beyond Gordon or any other decent keeper. Maybe the magnitude of the win is elevating the perceived quality of the saves he made, but is there any one individual save that he made that other keepers wouldn't get to?
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stevie21
8 Jun 2018, 10:26 AM
fatboab
8 Jun 2018, 10:10 AM
the best ever goalkeeping performance from any Celtic keeper was Forster the night we beat Barcelona 2-1. It's very sad to see how far he has fallen.
One standout memory of mine from that game is them constantly launching the ball over the bar. Every chance they got, up it went :lol: :lol:

I also don't think Forster made a series of saves in that game that are beyond Gordon or any other decent keeper. Maybe the magnitude of the win is elevating the perceived quality of the saves he made, but is there any one individual save that he made that other keepers wouldn't get to?
I think one of Forsters main strengths was having strong wrists. So, not always about agility.

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fatboab
8 Jun 2018, 10:10 AM
the best ever goalkeeping performance from any Celtic keeper was Forster the night we beat Barcelona 2-1. It's very sad to see how far he has fallen.
Not trying to be funny as I take little/zero interest in Engerlund premier league or football but whay has his career nosedived?

I understand he had a bad injury :ponder:

I half expected him to be in their squad as he was there or there abouts not long ago?

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littlegmbhoy
8 Jun 2018, 10:49 AM
fatboab
8 Jun 2018, 10:10 AM
the best ever goalkeeping performance from any Celtic keeper was Forster the night we beat Barcelona 2-1. It's very sad to see how far he has fallen.
Not trying to be funny as I take little/zero interest in Engerlund premier league or football but whay has his career nosedived?

I understand he had a bad injury :ponder:

I half expected him to be in their squad as he was there or there abouts not long ago?

He’s lost his place at Southampton
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7 Jun 2018, 10:52 PM
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7 Jun 2018, 10:36 PM
TheMaestro
7 Jun 2018, 10:32 PM
Douglas was horrendous. Absolutely horrendous. Dont recall him ever making a decent save in any big game.
That's not true. In the run to Seville he had some very good performances. He was undoubtedly error prone but far from horrendous.
He was the McManus of keepers.

He was solid and reliable in a game where we were on the back foot and he was busy.
Agree with that and it might be why we’ve traditionally struggled with keepers; it’s easier to stand out when making lots of saves but a Celtic keeper might only be required to make one or two during the whole game and needs to be able to maintain concentration whilst doing feck all in the main.

Others have made this point, or at least alluded to it, in the thread too
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stevie21
8 Jun 2018, 10:26 AM
fatboab
8 Jun 2018, 10:10 AM
the best ever goalkeeping performance from any Celtic keeper was Forster the night we beat Barcelona 2-1. It's very sad to see how far he has fallen.
One standout memory of mine from that game is them constantly launching the ball over the bar. Every chance they got, up it went :lol: :lol:

I also don't think Forster made a series of saves in that game that are beyond Gordon or any other decent keeper. Maybe the magnitude of the win is elevating the perceived quality of the saves he made, but is there any one individual save that he made that other keepers wouldn't get to?
he had a presence that night that gave the entire team confidence. It was after this game he was dubbed " the great yellow wall" in the Spanish press, and rumours surfaced that Barca were keen to sign him.

The night itself may have elevated the perception, and I recall Boruc having the game of his life v Man Utd in Naka's game which may have been the equal of Forster's performance.

It's significant however that both these games are in Celtic folklore as huge wins, but seldom do we think of the fact they were the result of astonishing goalkeeping performances as much as outrageous goals.
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One thing that stands out that really good Celtic keepers get a fun nickname, like the Great Wall or the Holy Goalie.
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