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Summer '18 Transfer Window; all Celtic stuff in here
Topic Started: 21 May 2018, 11:41 AM (855,536 Views)
Lobey Dosser
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28 May 2018, 08:01 PM
I'd rather spend the McGinn money on trying to tempt Ki back up the road. Pretty sure he's available on a free.
Not for me. Ki has had his time with us.
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He's kind of like a midfield version of KT, similar running style and technique and throws himself in the way that KT does -



Slightly longer clip - looks like he hits a decent corner (sometimes :twitch: )

Edited by Luca, 29 May 2018, 10:24 AM.
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I did hear 6 months ago gaffer rates McGinn & 1 or 2 comments in media since have proved it out with BR being a good guy and saying he likes his style etc.

Domestically he will do the business for us. Under the gaffer he can mature and grow as only 23. I think he can play a bit but rough round edges at times.

Decent footballer and reckon a good signing for us. Looks like Armstrong is way so good replacement.
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29 May 2018, 10:10 AM
san meegs
29 May 2018, 09:33 AM
I'm not as against the McGinn signing as I would have been, say, in January.

Like it or not, Brown is going to have to be replaced or at least allowed the chance to rest over the coming seasons. Last season, I think we won one game when Brown wasn't in the team, a scrappy 1-0 win against Dundee at home. All the others we drew or lost. I think having McGinn in there for those games would have seen us retain an energy and fight that sometimes goes when Brown isn't there.
McGinn's style of play is more akin to that of Ntcham or Armstrong. Brown's role is to sit in front of defence and calm things down, play simple passes and defend when required. As he said recently he re-invented himself in that role and is now playing it so well that we look less assured more panicked when he is out of the team.

Now there's nothing to suggest that McGinn couldn't emulate Brown's evolution to that role when he gets older, but McGinn isn't that player at the moment. Bitton is more suited to the Brown role, but doesn't have the aggression or the feistiness of Brown.

I like the 'idea' of an energetic Celtic supporting 23 year old Scot in midfield. There would be no bedding in process to Scottish culture, he would be ready to go. However, in the several matches I have watched him in, I have seen as many flaws as strengths.

Flaws include holding on to the ball too long, attempting to play his way out of a group of players, only to be robbed and left on his backside. This flaw is as much a decision making choice as anything, so it could be coached out of him.

Another more significant flaw was that on several occasions he needed a second touch when receiving a pass. He was no Tom Rogic in that respect. He usually controlled the ball eventually but only after fielding a tackle from an opponent, and sometimes the tackles were borderline yellow cards. In Europe this lack of control would be heavily punished and many of his tackles would be similarly punished. This flaw is harder for a coach to remove.

On a plus note, as well as his aggression, he is quite a good passer of the ball from midfield to attack.

He's definitely a mixed bag.

Fairly accurate comments..can only think the gaffer training him will improve him as a player working day to day with him...

Think he is a good shout...
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I think he's a good player who is on the up. Sign.
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McGinn is a relatively low gamble for us. If Amrstrong leaves, then we need abother player in there. I know they are different players, but with McGregors improvement in the last season our need is more of a central midfielder than another attacking midfielder, although that may change based on how Morgan and Christie get on in pre season.

McGinn may improve at the club/under Rodgers in the same way Brown or Forrest have or he may not, but even if he didn’t we would make our money back from a championship pretty easily over the next few years.
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29 May 2018, 08:15 AM
My girlfriend is on holiday the now and ended up talking to a young Scottish couple, turns out it’s Paul McGinn and his girlfriend and he says Johns signing for us
I’m sure he’ll be delighted to know his brother and his partner are blabbing details of a multi-million pound deal to complete strangers
Edited by One sharp cookie, 29 May 2018, 10:53 AM.
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Nakasleftfoot
29 May 2018, 08:15 AM
My girlfriend is on holiday the now and ended up talking to a young Scottish couple, turns out it’s Paul McGinn and his girlfriend and he says Johns signing for us
I’m sure he’ll be delighted to know his brother and his partner are blabbing details of a multi-million pound deal to complete strangers
:lol: I am pretty sure this happens all the time or else we wouldn't have rumours pages on a forum......
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specialbhoy
29 May 2018, 10:43 AM
McGinn is a relatively low gamble for us. If Amrstrong leaves, then we need abother player in there. I know they are different players, but with McGregors improvement in the last season our need is more of a central midfielder than another attacking midfielder, although that may change based on how Morgan and Christie get on in pre season.

McGinn may improve at the club/under Rodgers in the same way Brown or Forrest have or he may not, but even if he didn’t we would make our money back from a championship pretty easily over the next few years.
It may be in isolation but given how little we spend net I'd rather be spending it on our woeful defence.
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29 May 2018, 10:53 AM
Nakasleftfoot
29 May 2018, 08:15 AM
My girlfriend is on holiday the now and ended up talking to a young Scottish couple, turns out it’s Paul McGinn and his girlfriend and he says Johns signing for us
I’m sure he’ll be delighted to know his brother and his partner are blabbing details of a multi-million pound deal to complete strangers
My source is keeping schtum on it. Says won't know anything until after the Scotland games

:lol:
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29 May 2018, 09:35 AM
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Scott Brown saying he’s the toughest opponent he’s had all season says it all. I wouldn’t be surprised if Brown and Rodgers have spoke about it and both agreed he’s someone we should have at the club. Aye you can see that in his performances against Celtic. Finds an extra gear. Still only 23 too. Plenty time to improve.
The shift in their comments about McGinn between the two games at Easter Road last season was quite noticeable.

First game: "There is no contest," said Celtic boss Rodgers. "Scott was the exceptional midfield player on the pitch."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/42299415

Brown was calling him the "toughest opponent" after the second game, as you say.

It's like they hadn't seriously considered him before and were a bit irritated by the comparison, but they've had more of a look over the course of this season.
I agree with Rodgers saying there’s no contest between the two. Brown at times this season on another level to any other midfielder in Scotland. Bit any one with a half decent football brain will see the potential in McGinn. Also good point in terms of the contrast of comments. As the seasons went on as you’ve said they’ve probably looked at him more and more. It’s a no brainier. Works for both parties if Allan part is of the deal and £2-£2.5million is a decent fee.
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29 May 2018, 10:59 AM
specialbhoy
29 May 2018, 10:43 AM
McGinn is a relatively low gamble for us. If Amrstrong leaves, then we need abother player in there. I know they are different players, but with McGregors improvement in the last season our need is more of a central midfielder than another attacking midfielder, although that may change based on how Morgan and Christie get on in pre season.

McGinn may improve at the club/under Rodgers in the same way Brown or Forrest have or he may not, but even if he didn’t we would make our money back from a championship pretty easily over the next few years.
It may be in isolation but given how little we spend net I'd rather be spending it on our woeful defence.
I am pretty sure there will be a few in's and outs this summer. Erik already gone. Armstrong with 1 year left also likely to move, then there will be some players we may actively push out.

So McGinn in, along with Eddie and a couple of good defenders would a good summer.
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29 May 2018, 08:25 AM


Think he has the potential to be Broony’s replacement, and is versatile enough to challenge Ntcham and possibly Rogic in the meantime.
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29 May 2018, 09:37 AM
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29 May 2018, 09:12 AM
All the same stuff getting said on here regarding McGinn was said about Hayes last year.
And Hayes struggled big time before his injury.
Where's the comparison?

They're completely different players.

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29 May 2018, 10:53 AM
Nakasleftfoot
29 May 2018, 08:15 AM
My girlfriend is on holiday the now and ended up talking to a young Scottish couple, turns out it’s Paul McGinn and his girlfriend and he says Johns signing for us
I’m sure he’ll be delighted to know his brother and his partner are blabbing details of a multi-million pound deal to complete strangers
I believe he was out his farter on all inclusive Turkish beer and sheesha
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29 May 2018, 10:10 AM
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29 May 2018, 09:33 AM
I'm not as against the McGinn signing as I would have been, say, in January.

Like it or not, Brown is going to have to be replaced or at least allowed the chance to rest over the coming seasons. Last season, I think we won one game when Brown wasn't in the team, a scrappy 1-0 win against Dundee at home. All the others we drew or lost. I think having McGinn in there for those games would have seen us retain an energy and fight that sometimes goes when Brown isn't there.
McGinn's style of play is more akin to that of Ntcham or Armstrong. Brown's role is to sit in front of defence and calm things down, play simple passes and defend when required. As he said recently he re-invented himself in that role and is now playing it so well that we look less assured more panicked when he is out of the team.

Now there's nothing to suggest that McGinn couldn't emulate Brown's evolution to that role when he gets older, but McGinn isn't that player at the moment. Bitton is more suited to the Brown role, but doesn't have the aggression or the feistiness of Brown.

I like the 'idea' of an energetic Celtic supporting 23 year old Scot in midfield. There would be no bedding in process to Scottish culture, he would be ready to go. However, in the several matches I have watched him in, I have seen as many flaws as strengths.

Flaws include holding on to the ball too long, attempting to play his way out of a group of players, only to be robbed and left on his backside. This flaw is as much a decision making choice as anything, so it could be coached out of him.

Another more significant flaw was that on several occasions he needed a second touch when receiving a pass. He was no Tom Rogic in that respect. He usually controlled the ball eventually but only after fielding a tackle from an opponent, and sometimes the tackles were borderline yellow cards. In Europe this lack of control would be heavily punished and many of his tackles would be similarly punished. This flaw is harder for a coach to remove.

On a plus note, as well as his aggression, he is quite a good passer of the ball from midfield to attack.

He's definitely a mixed bag.

Good post, agree with all of it other than being a good passer. I reckon that’s quite rusty.
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29 May 2018, 11:20 AM
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29 May 2018, 10:10 AM
san meegs
29 May 2018, 09:33 AM
I'm not as against the McGinn signing as I would have been, say, in January.

Like it or not, Brown is going to have to be replaced or at least allowed the chance to rest over the coming seasons. Last season, I think we won one game when Brown wasn't in the team, a scrappy 1-0 win against Dundee at home. All the others we drew or lost. I think having McGinn in there for those games would have seen us retain an energy and fight that sometimes goes when Brown isn't there.
McGinn's style of play is more akin to that of Ntcham or Armstrong. Brown's role is to sit in front of defence and calm things down, play simple passes and defend when required. As he said recently he re-invented himself in that role and is now playing it so well that we look less assured more panicked when he is out of the team.

Now there's nothing to suggest that McGinn couldn't emulate Brown's evolution to that role when he gets older, but McGinn isn't that player at the moment. Bitton is more suited to the Brown role, but doesn't have the aggression or the feistiness of Brown.

I like the 'idea' of an energetic Celtic supporting 23 year old Scot in midfield. There would be no bedding in process to Scottish culture, he would be ready to go. However, in the several matches I have watched him in, I have seen as many flaws as strengths.

Flaws include holding on to the ball too long, attempting to play his way out of a group of players, only to be robbed and left on his backside. This flaw is as much a decision making choice as anything, so it could be coached out of him.

Another more significant flaw was that on several occasions he needed a second touch when receiving a pass. He was no Tom Rogic in that respect. He usually controlled the ball eventually but only after fielding a tackle from an opponent, and sometimes the tackles were borderline yellow cards. In Europe this lack of control would be heavily punished and many of his tackles would be similarly punished. This flaw is harder for a coach to remove.

On a plus note, as well as his aggression, he is quite a good passer of the ball from midfield to attack.

He's definitely a mixed bag.

Good post, agree with all of it other than being a good passer. I reckon that’s quite rusty.
He isn't a good passer. Neither is Armstrong (particularly at higher level).
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I'm in the floating voter camp on this one.

He wouldn't be good enough to get in our side at present, but Brendan has worked wonders with numerous players & I'd trust him if that's his thinking here.

I'm more concerned with defensive reinforcements.
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29 May 2018, 10:10 AM
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29 May 2018, 09:33 AM
I'm not as against the McGinn signing as I would have been, say, in January.

Like it or not, Brown is going to have to be replaced or at least allowed the chance to rest over the coming seasons. Last season, I think we won one game when Brown wasn't in the team, a scrappy 1-0 win against Dundee at home. All the others we drew or lost. I think having McGinn in there for those games would have seen us retain an energy and fight that sometimes goes when Brown isn't there.
McGinn's style of play is more akin to that of Ntcham or Armstrong. Brown's role is to sit in front of defence and calm things down, play simple passes and defend when required. As he said recently he re-invented himself in that role and is now playing it so well that we look less assured more panicked when he is out of the team.

Now there's nothing to suggest that McGinn couldn't emulate Brown's evolution to that role when he gets older, but McGinn isn't that player at the moment. Bitton is more suited to the Brown role, but doesn't have the aggression or the feistiness of Brown.

I like the 'idea' of an energetic Celtic supporting 23 year old Scot in midfield. There would be no bedding in process to Scottish culture, he would be ready to go. However, in the several matches I have watched him in, I have seen as many flaws as strengths.

Flaws include holding on to the ball too long, attempting to play his way out of a group of players, only to be robbed and left on his backside. This flaw is as much a decision making choice as anything, so it could be coached out of him.

Another more significant flaw was that on several occasions he needed a second touch when receiving a pass. He was no Tom Rogic in that respect. He usually controlled the ball eventually but only after fielding a tackle from an opponent, and sometimes the tackles were borderline yellow cards. In Europe this lack of control would be heavily punished and many of his tackles would be similarly punished. This flaw is harder for a coach to remove.

On a plus note, as well as his aggression, he is quite a good passer of the ball from midfield to attack.

He's definitely a mixed bag.

He can shoot from distance too. Which would be a nice change of pace for us.
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Even though we have seen little of him so far I must say that Kouassie have shown more promise of a player than could make an European impact for us than McGinn has in all the matches I've seen with him

McGinn is a "safe option", we know what we gets, while Kouassi is very raw

I would rather take the risk with Kouassi, as we have a real chance of getting a top player, and a signing of McGinn will hinder his chances of making it with us

There could be 100 reasons for Brendan to go with McGinn that we doesn't know about, but from the armchair, I would rather that we spend our money on players that would improve us from day one (or close). £2.5m isn't a "major" signing, but put the money on top of what we have to potential sign a new central defender, and it could take us op a step, which we need

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