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Summer '18 Transfer Window; all Celtic stuff in here
Topic Started: 21 May 2018, 11:41 AM (855,543 Views)
remy mcswain
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mick405
28 May 2018, 03:51 PM
remy mcswain
28 May 2018, 03:43 PM
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28 May 2018, 03:40 PM
No idea what the manager sees in McGinn but it's one of those where you just have to try and trust that he knows best I suppose. I've paid extra close attention to him since he's been linked strongly with us, and I just don't see it.
The manager saw something in Jack Hendry :twitch:
...and Olivier Ntcham.
We all can see Ntcham’s a player ;)
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28 May 2018, 03:34 PM
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28 May 2018, 03:33 PM
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28 May 2018, 03:11 PM
Seems a lot for a player who'd be starting most games on the bench.
....unless we're expecting a big bid for Ntcham this summer and looking at his replacement :ph43r:

Or alternatively with Armstrong possibly going, Bitton out the picture, McGregor being better employed wide or further forward and another long season ahead of us Rodgers just sees the need for a third option for the midfield engine room that lets him rest Broony & Ntcham a bit more often.

Let's face it, we've all been pleasantly surprised by Broony's "Man of Steel" routine the last couple of seasons....but we can't rely on 40+ games a season on him given his age and the treatment he gets from the opposition on a weekly basis. By his own admission he has "no ligaments left in his ankles" so I fear the punishment he gets will start to take a more serious toll in the next couple of seasons. :(

We might possibly see more games where Ntcham drops back in to Broony's midfield controller role while McGinn (or someone else) takes on the running/closing down/ball winning duties.
Isn't there a thing where you need a certain amount of scots guys for your CL squad? If SA goes, can see why he's going for McGinn

4 squad places reserved for club-trained players, 4 for association trained (either us or any other Scottish club) - player's actual nationality doesn't come in to it.

Off the top of my head we've got Tierney, Forrest & McGregor as our club trained options (Ajer will probably be one in the future, but still qualifies as a B-list under 21 at the moment).

Current association trained slots would go to four out of Broony, Griffiths, Armstrong, Gordon, Bain, Morgan, Christie and (if signed) McGinn......so four out of those 8 would be treated as just general squad players for CL/Europa purposes.

So, no real need to bring in any extra association trained players just for the sake of filling the 4 reserved slots as we already have plenty in the squad.




If we sign him then it's because Brendan thinks he can do a job (or at least thinks there's enough of a chance of him becoming a first team asset to make him worth the transfer fee and coaching effort)
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28 May 2018, 03:53 PM
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28 May 2018, 03:33 PM

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Personally I think he's a decent player and no better. I just don't see the wisdom in spending a fair few quid on a squad player who will not start barring injury.
Armstrong is a squad player at the moment. If he goes, he needs replaced with someone who can run and give us that energy.

Is £2.5m really that much considering the money we have made over the past couple of seasons?

Look at the number of games we are playing now as well. Every carrot was moaning at Rodgers for no rotating the players more often. He probably didn't do that cos there are some squad players he can't trust.

McGinn is far from the finished article but we have all watched Rodgers develop players and take their game to another level. Maybe he thinks the potential is there to do the same with McGinn.

And he's a proper fenian. You can never have enough in the squad.
Found myself nodding along with this, thinking "this is a good post with some extremely valid points"...and then I got to the last line and thought "this is a effing brilliant post, get the wee guy signed up right now!"

This is how it feels to be Celtic :huddle:
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So McGinn and Edouard? Good start
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28 May 2018, 03:59 PM
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28 May 2018, 03:34 PM
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28 May 2018, 03:33 PM

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Isn't there a thing where you need a certain amount of scots guys for your CL squad? If SA goes, can see why he's going for McGinn

4 squad places reserved for club-trained players, 4 for association trained (either us or any other Scottish club) - player's actual nationality doesn't come in to it.

Off the top of my head we've got Tierney, Forrest & McGregor as our club trained options (Ajer will probably be one in the future, but still qualifies as a B-list under 21 at the moment).

Current association trained slots would go to four out of Broony, Griffiths, Armstrong, Gordon, Bain, Morgan, Christie and (if signed) McGinn......so four out of those 8 would be treated as just general squad players for CL/Europa purposes.

So, no real need to bring in any extra association trained players just for the sake of filling the 4 reserved slots as we already have plenty in the squad.




If we sign him then it's because Brendan thinks he can do a job (or at least thinks there's enough of a chance of him becoming a first team asset to make him worth the transfer fee and coaching effort)
Cool.

We do have a lot of Jocks right enough.

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28 May 2018, 03:59 PM
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28 May 2018, 03:53 PM
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28 May 2018, 03:45 PM

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Armstrong is a squad player at the moment. If he goes, he needs replaced with someone who can run and give us that energy.

Is £2.5m really that much considering the money we have made over the past couple of seasons?

Look at the number of games we are playing now as well. Every carrot was moaning at Rodgers for no rotating the players more often. He probably didn't do that cos there are some squad players he can't trust.

McGinn is far from the finished article but we have all watched Rodgers develop players and take their game to another level. Maybe he thinks the potential is there to do the same with McGinn.

And he's a proper fenian. You can never have enough in the squad.
Found myself nodding along with this, thinking "this is a good post with some extremely valid points"...and then I got to the last line and thought "this is a effing brilliant post, get the wee guy signed up right now!"

This is how it feels to be Celtic :huddle:
Can you see McGinn holding his own in the CL?

2.5m for a guy we don’t need to win domestically and is unlikely to help us reach the next level in Europe. If we’re spending 2.5m on a player, there must be better value out there.

Not for me
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Usual nonsense, McGinn played well in his international debut, he has plenty development in him and wer5e people saying Scott Brown would lead us for 10 years and play in the champions league to the standard he he was when he was at Hibs?

You need a player in Browns mould with the drive and determination Scott has. . . McGinn has that.
Edited by He Cometh, 28 May 2018, 04:15 PM.
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28 May 2018, 04:15 PM
Usual nonsense, McGinn played well in his international debut, he has plenty development in him and wer5e people saying Scott Brown would lead us for 10 years and play in the champions league to the standard he he was when he was at Hibs?

You need a player in Browns mould with the drive and determination Scott has. . . McGinn has that.
Lawwell and Brendan have said on umpteen occasions that the model is to make CL players and punt them on when appropriate. We'll get one ready for it straight off the bat here and there, but for the most part they'll need to develop with us a bit first. McGinn fits. Got the basics, a bit of magic in him and he gets tore in.

Armstrong will mibby be away as well, so he's another HG player for the CL or that.
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28 May 2018, 03:30 PM
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28 May 2018, 03:24 PM
Signing mcginn is a no brainer. Can only imagine the people who dont rate him are the same that didnt rate mcgregor yet rated crosas. Weird.
If it's a no brainer, who does he replace then. Brown, Ntcham, McGregor or Armstrong? Plus we also have Kouassi and Bitton as back up to our back up.
Armstrong is for the off. And has been bang average for 75% of his time here. Bitton is another who is pretty average and in any case is a back up centre half.

Kouassi made a promising start but seems to have stalled - a loan deal for him would make sense.

We play a shampoo load of games and need a large squad. Broonie cant continue to play every game. When he is out id rather mcginn in the team than any of our current midfielders
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28 May 2018, 04:07 PM
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28 May 2018, 03:53 PM

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Found myself nodding along with this, thinking "this is a good post with some extremely valid points"...and then I got to the last line and thought "this is a effing brilliant post, get the wee guy signed up right now!"

This is how it feels to be Celtic :huddle:
Can you see McGinn holding his own in the CL?

2.5m for a guy we don’t need to win domestically and is unlikely to help us reach the next level in Europe. If we’re spending 2.5m on a player, there must be better value out there.

Not for me
I'm not sure you realise how little a sum £2.5m is nowadays.
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I like McGinn. Think he's a bit rough around the edges to be playing the all action role he has at Hibs, but has the making of a fine midfielder.
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28 May 2018, 03:53 PM

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Found myself nodding along with this, thinking "this is a good post with some extremely valid points"...and then I got to the last line and thought "this is a effing brilliant post, get the wee guy signed up right now!"

This is how it feels to be Celtic :huddle:
Can you see McGinn holding his own in the CL?

2.5m for a guy we don’t need to win domestically and is unlikely to help us reach the next level in Europe. If we’re spending 2.5m on a player, there must be better value out there.

Not for me
Agreed and also the rumour was that we give them Scott Allan as well. So in effect, the price is higher. Even if it's argued that we should be, at the moment, we can't really be spending that sort of money on a SPFL squad player.
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28 May 2018, 04:26 PM
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28 May 2018, 04:07 PM
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28 May 2018, 03:59 PM

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Can you see McGinn holding his own in the CL?

2.5m for a guy we don’t need to win domestically and is unlikely to help us reach the next level in Europe. If we’re spending 2.5m on a player, there must be better value out there.

Not for me
I'm not sure you realise how little a sum £2.5m is nowadays.
For who? He’d be one of the most expensive players in the squad.
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Signing mcginn is a no brainer. Can only imagine the people who dont rate him are the same that didnt rate mcgregor yet rated crosas. Weird.
If it's a no brainer, who does he replace then. Brown, Ntcham, McGregor or Armstrong? Plus we also have Kouassi and Bitton as back up to our back up.
Armstrong is for the off. And has been bang average for 75% of his time here. Bitton is another who is pretty average and in any case is a back up centre half.

Kouassi made a promising start but seems to have stalled - a loan deal for him would make sense.

We play a shampoo load of games and need a large squad. Broonie cant continue to play every game. When he is out id rather mcginn in the team than any of our current midfielders
The reality is that BR doesn't rotate his squad that much. Whether we agree with that or not is irrelevant. Given that we have to be pretty selective on how we spend our money, I just don't see the point of spending a fair amount of it on a squad player who won't start if everyone is fit. He also plays in an area where we are reasonably well covered and for me, we need to think about getting better in other areas of the team.
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If we sign him I will be seriously underwhelmed. Not as good as our first 4 choice centre midfielders and I suspect if koussi was at hibs he would be seen as superior to McGinn also.
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Let's put it this way. It's easier to see McGinns potential than it was to see the same in Hendry.
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How long does Scott Allan have left on his contract?
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28 May 2018, 04:37 PM
Let's put it this way. It's easier to see McGinns potential than it was to see the same in Hendry.
That’s setting the bar pretty low, tbf
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28 May 2018, 04:22 PM
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Usual nonsense, McGinn played well in his international debut, he has plenty development in him and wer5e people saying Scott Brown would lead us for 10 years and play in the champions league to the standard he he was when he was at Hibs?

You need a player in Browns mould with the drive and determination Scott has. . . McGinn has that.
Lawwell and Brendan have said on umpteen occasions that the model is to make CL players and punt them on when appropriate. We'll get one ready for it straight off the bat here and there, but for the most part they'll need to develop with us a bit first. McGinn fits. Got the basics, a bit of magic in him and he gets tore in.

Armstrong will mibby be away as well, so he's another HG player for the CL or that.
Spot on. . . the usual suspects who want the finished article in all the time derided the signing of Armstrong as well.
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I can find out tomorrow about McGinn

Back at work csc
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