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Summer '18 Transfer Window; all Celtic stuff in here
Topic Started: 21 May 2018, 11:41 AM (855,275 Views)
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Wigan RB Nathan Byrne mentioned again. Seems like a decent player with lots of pace. In fact, he seems to be playing more like a forward in these clips...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDW1tdGwajw

https://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/sport/uk-sport-news/transfer-rumours-nottingham-forest-celtic-1746898#ICID=sharebar_twitter#nffc
Fits the bill of the fullback BR seems to want after looking at Odubajo
3-5-2 next year it would seem.

FWIW I think Harry Wilson will be at Celtic before the Rosenborg/Valur game.
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5 Jul 2018, 12:02 PM
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5 Jul 2018, 11:53 AM
LFC apparently put off loaning players to us because of our track record with loan players. I thought we had a decent track record - Musonda excluded, obviously.

https://twitter.com/LFCTransferRoom/status/1014822011443478533
Probably solely looking at Roberts last year and realising Wilson's not as good so not guaranteed game time.
If Wilson is not as good as Roberts we should not be looking at him.

We should also get wise to the games other clubs are playing here. I guess we already probably are. The chance of Wilson ever becoming a Liverpool regular are considerably lower than 50%. Clubs like this want players like this developed to achieve a value. There's an entire industry operating at these clubs simply as an income stream and to offset FFP concerns, and to get a few Academy players on a UEFA B list when the time comes.

The idea we've had a bad time with loans is a good old Express wheeze. There are different types of loan, many of whom will simply not work out regardless of club. Loans like Tonev, Wakaso, Berget. Punts.

The ones we have had with largely 'development' players - Edouard, Roberts, Denayer, Guidetti to a certain extent - have largely been sound.

This can always be turned round to show the utter failure of a lot of these clubs like Liverpool in developing excellent talent at youth level into elite level players.
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evan15
5 Jul 2018, 12:11 PM
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5 Jul 2018, 12:05 PM
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5 Jul 2018, 12:03 PM
Wigan RB Nathan Byrne mentioned again. Seems like a decent player with lots of pace. In fact, he seems to be playing more like a forward in these clips...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDW1tdGwajw

https://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/sport/uk-sport-news/transfer-rumours-nottingham-forest-celtic-1746898#ICID=sharebar_twitter#nffc
Fits the bill of the fullback BR seems to want after looking at Odubajo
3-5-2 next year it would seem.

FWIW I think Harry Wilson will be at Celtic before the Rosenborg/Valur game.
Just a hunch?
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5 Jul 2018, 10:07 AM
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5 Jul 2018, 09:52 AM
todays is an important day with DD and BR meeting

when the club was run under PL complete control and we had his patsy manager we saw the relative failure that delivered - no cl revenue for 2 yrs running and losing to a crap huns team

when the club was run with PL and NL we had a balance of hits and misses and performance on and off park and recruitment which on whole (and i think a lot down to NL, Gary Parker and Mjallby) was relatively successful

with PL and BR the success has been unparalleled although the market has moved away from us on players and getting the balance in terms of recruitment seems to be even harder - i think its fair to say that it feels as if congerton is not performing that well (and let's face it his track record is abysmal) and whilst we can rely on BR to keep improving players its a helluva stretch to keep having to do so during qualifiers for CL.

with boyata into last year and jozo always a concern, kt's future at best uncertain, lustig far from fit enough for a season and back up bar ajer not of great quality theres some job to be done

in part they did try to address this with compper in jan but theyve known for months he isn't doing it

they've done great with rogic eduoard and may do same with dembele but with rosenborg not that far away (and i know theres one before that) we need to move on a number of fronts quickly and john mcginn is simply a distraction at moment

Entirely correct
Disagree...only 2 BR signings started in the Scottish Cup final. I think that's quite extraordinary after 4 transfer windows.
BR has been able to rely on previous signings in large part. It's just that his management has raised everyone's game.
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3-5-2 next year it would seem.

FWIW I think Harry Wilson will be at Celtic before the Rosenborg/Valur game.
Just a hunch?
Yep.

Just the kind of signing we like to make and BR knows him from Liverpool.

Seems odd as I thought Morgan could maybe slot into Paddy's role and hearing he's been impressing.
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5 Jul 2018, 12:05 PM
Luca
5 Jul 2018, 12:03 PM
Wigan RB Nathan Byrne mentioned again. Seems like a decent player with lots of pace. In fact, he seems to be playing more like a forward in these clips...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDW1tdGwajw

https://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/sport/uk-sport-news/transfer-rumours-nottingham-forest-celtic-1746898#ICID=sharebar_twitter#nffc
Fits the bill of the fullback BR seems to want after looking at Odubajo
Makes sense, but Forrest is on good form - good to have cover/competition
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5 Jul 2018, 12:11 PM
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5 Jul 2018, 12:05 PM
Luca
5 Jul 2018, 12:03 PM
Wigan RB Nathan Byrne mentioned again. Seems like a decent player with lots of pace. In fact, he seems to be playing more like a forward in these clips...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDW1tdGwajw

https://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/sport/uk-sport-news/transfer-rumours-nottingham-forest-celtic-1746898#ICID=sharebar_twitter#nffc
Fits the bill of the fullback BR seems to want after looking at Odubajo
3-5-2 next year it would seem.

FWIW I think Harry Wilson will be at Celtic before the Rosenborg/Valur game.
with Forrest one of our best players last year (if not the best) and Sinclair back on form according to BR, where would that put them? of what I've seen of the friendlies so far, we have lined up with wingers to support the attack, not with full backs alone of the wings
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I believe some people are over thinking the DD/BR meeting. There's seems to be a perception of it being "I'm going to tell the teacher" about it. I don't think we need disbelieve BR when he has repeatedly said he is happy with his relationship with the board and that he gets what he wants in the way of funding.
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Doesn’t sound like Wilson is happening according to my sources.
Edited by Jozo67, 5 Jul 2018, 01:08 PM.
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5 Jul 2018, 01:01 PM
I believe some people are over thinking the DD/BR meeting. There's seems to be a perception of it being "I'm going to tell the teacher" about it. I don't think we need disbelieve BR when he has repeatedly said he is happy with his relationship with the board and that he gets what he wants in the way of funding.
no one has suggested that at all

simply a very important meeting given where we are pre season and what is coming up both in terms of games and people likely to be heading off
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3-5-2 next year it would seem.

FWIW I think Harry Wilson will be at Celtic before the Rosenborg/Valur game.
with Forrest one of our best players last year (if not the best) and Sinclair back on form according to BR, where would that put them? of what I've seen of the friendlies so far, we have lined up with wingers to support the attack, not with full backs alone of the wings
It's a hard one to call.

Unless they are purely looking for a wing back to cover for Forrest or for European games against vastly superior teams, then maybe we going with 4 at the back.

I think we play really fluently with the 3-5-2 and it would be strange not to see Edouard starting regularly after signing for such a big sum.

I will trust BR though. Just hope theres some kind of differentiation to last year or there will be even more 0-0 draws on the cards.
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5 Jul 2018, 11:53 AM
LFC apparently put off loaning players to us because of our track record with loan players. I thought we had a decent track record - Musonda excluded, obviously.

https://twitter.com/LFCTransferRoom/status/1014822011443478533
Our track record is pretty poor. Musonda, Blackett, Guidetti, Tonev, Wakaso, Berget. Only Roberts (one season out of two) and Denayer have been successes in recent memory. Ever since the Aliadiere fiasco in Strachan’s first season, I’ve been sceptical about the merits of us being used to develop other clubs’ players. If Harry Wilson isn’t good enough for any EPL clubs to want him on loan, he’s not good enough for us. A club with our resources shouldn’t be competing with Hull city to borrow players.
Edited by One sharp cookie, 5 Jul 2018, 01:14 PM.
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Luca
5 Jul 2018, 11:53 AM
LFC apparently put off loaning players to us because of our track record with loan players. I thought we had a decent track record - Musonda excluded, obviously.

https://twitter.com/LFCTransferRoom/status/1014822011443478533
Our track record is pretty poor. Musonda, Blackett, Guidetti, Tonev, Wakaso, Berget. Only Roberts (one season out of two) and Denayer have been successes in recent memory. Ever since the Aliadiere fiasco in Strachan’s first season, I’ve been sceptical about the merits of us being used to develop other clubs’ players. If Harry Wilson isn’t good enough for any EPL clubs to want him on loan, he’s not good enough for us.
Edouard, Forster have been good. Boruc arrived in that Aliadiere window.
Edited by Pussyfoot, 5 Jul 2018, 01:16 PM.
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5 Jul 2018, 12:15 PM
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5 Jul 2018, 12:02 PM
Luca
5 Jul 2018, 11:53 AM
LFC apparently put off loaning players to us because of our track record with loan players. I thought we had a decent track record - Musonda excluded, obviously.

https://twitter.com/LFCTransferRoom/status/1014822011443478533
Probably solely looking at Roberts last year and realising Wilson's not as good so not guaranteed game time.
If Wilson is not as good as Roberts we should not be looking at him.

We should also get wise to the games other clubs are playing here. I guess we already probably are. The chance of Wilson ever becoming a Liverpool regular are considerably lower than 50%. Clubs like this want players like this developed to achieve a value. There's an entire industry operating at these clubs simply as an income stream and to offset FFP concerns, and to get a few Academy players on a UEFA B list when the time comes.

The idea we've had a bad time with loans is a good old Express wheeze. There are different types of loan, many of whom will simply not work out regardless of club. Loans like Tonev, Wakaso, Berget. Punts.

The ones we have had with largely 'development' players - Edouard, Roberts, Denayer, Guidetti to a certain extent - have largely been sound.

This can always be turned round to show the utter failure of a lot of these clubs like Liverpool in developing excellent talent at youth level into elite level players.
Wilson is a slightly different style of winger than Roberts, he played up front for hull on occasion effectively. I imagine he’d be the 4th striking option which given dembele and griffiths propensity to pick up niggles is something we need

Although he’s probably only an inch or two taller than Roberts
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5 Jul 2018, 11:53 AM
LFC apparently put off loaning players to us because of our track record with loan players. I thought we had a decent track record - Musonda excluded, obviously.

https://twitter.com/LFCTransferRoom/status/1014822011443478533
Our track record is pretty poor. Musonda, Blackett, Guidetti, Tonev, Wakaso, Berget. Only Roberts (one season out of two) and Denayer have been successes in recent memory. Ever since the Aliadiere fiasco in Strachan’s first season, I’ve been sceptical about the merits of us being used to develop other clubs’ players. If Harry Wilson isn’t good enough for any EPL clubs to want him on loan, he’s not good enough for us. A club with our resources shouldn’t be competing with Hull city to borrow players.
Everyone was quite keen on signing Guidetti permanently until he turned us down and Griffiths hit form
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5 Jul 2018, 11:53 AM
LFC apparently put off loaning players to us because of our track record with loan players. I thought we had a decent track record - Musonda excluded, obviously.

https://twitter.com/LFCTransferRoom/status/1014822011443478533
Our track record is pretty poor. Musonda, Blackett, Guidetti, Tonev, Wakaso, Berget. Only Roberts (one season out of two) and Denayer have been successes in recent memory. Ever since the Aliadiere fiasco in Strachan’s first season, I’ve been sceptical about the merits of us being used to develop other clubs’ players. If Harry Wilson isn’t good enough for any EPL clubs to want him on loan, he’s not good enough for us.
Edouard, Forster have been good. Boruc arrived in that Aliadiere window.
I wasn’t counting Edouard as he was loaned with a view to buy - totally different scenario to developing someone for the benefit of others. Boruc and Forster also in this category.
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Edouard, Forster have been good. Boruc arrived in that Aliadiere window.
I wasn’t counting Edouard as he was loaned with a view to buy - totally different scenario to developing someone for the benefit of others. Boruc and Forster also in this category.
Think we had an option on Tonev, Wakaso and Berget too bud.

Never mind, I see what you mean, sorry. The younger players. :doh:
Edited by Pussyfoot, 5 Jul 2018, 01:24 PM.
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Edouard, Forster have been good. Boruc arrived in that Aliadiere window.
I wasn’t counting Edouard as he was loaned with a view to buy - totally different scenario to developing someone for the benefit of others. Boruc and Forster also in this category.
So they don't count as loans if they are successful then?
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Fulham after Boyata
I'd be happy with Brendan's 'won't stand in any player's way' approach to that one.
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