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Summer '18 Transfer Window; all Celtic stuff in here
Topic Started: 21 May 2018, 11:41 AM (855,312 Views)
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I seriously doubt Celtic are in for Wilson

Its just all chat for when he joins sevco on loan they can talk about gazumping Celtic
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Just my opinion but I think the Celtic jersey would be too heavy for McGinn. Much like Hayes.
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lisbonlion67
3 Jul 2018, 11:20 AM
McGinn is a no brainier for me
Me too.
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3 Jul 2018, 08:46 AM
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3 Jul 2018, 01:14 AM
I stopped reading at Express Sport understands. They know nothing.
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evan15
3 Jul 2018, 11:06 AM
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3 Jul 2018, 11:01 AM
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3 Jul 2018, 10:51 AM
The thing with McGeouch is we already have a similar player in Ntcham who is also levels above him.

We need a McGinn type player rather than a McGeouch.
McGinn might be better doing the job that Brown did before we signed him, running around closing down things

Kouassie (the little we have seen of him) is much better (than McGinn) at doing the job that Brown does now, sitting back protecting the back line and make an attacking pass now and again

IF we sign McGinn he would have to adapt to a hole new style of football - only took Brown 7-8 years not to chasing down everything without sight of what we behind him - hopefully if the transfer goes though McGinn will take less time to adapt

Don't see the need of McGinn, but if that is what BR wants, then go for it
I get what you are saying but I see him more of an immediate Armstrong replacement rather than Brown.

Maybe over years he can develop his game under Rodgers to fit into Browns role but I've heard they see Kouassi filling that in years to come and that they rate him very highly.

We really haven't used Armstrong for a season or so, so don't see the need of him being replaced, if Ntcham isn't playing we can put McGregor there

BR says that Sinclair is back on form, so don't see McGregor being played out wide in many SPL games (guess French Eddy will play out wide in some games to, which will make McGregor more in central, if he is going to play) + Ewan Henderson will need to see more first team football this season (either with us or out on loan) so he could cover (at least in some SPL games) without much trouble + Bitton and Kouassie could play along side Brown in another type of role.

We should concentrate on getting players that will make the first 11 better, not back up players
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3 Jul 2018, 11:26 AM
Just my opinion but I think the Celtic jersey would be too heavy for McGinn. Much like Hayes.
Hayes never looked Celtic quality and was not at an age to develop into Celtic quality.

Absolutely bizarre signing.
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Scotty_Bhoy_7
3 Jul 2018, 11:26 AM
Just my opinion but I think the Celtic jersey would be too heavy for McGinn. Much like Hayes.
Are the new strips really that poor in quality?
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3 Jul 2018, 11:28 AM
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3 Jul 2018, 11:01 AM

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I get what you are saying but I see him more of an immediate Armstrong replacement rather than Brown.

Maybe over years he can develop his game under Rodgers to fit into Browns role but I've heard they see Kouassi filling that in years to come and that they rate him very highly.

We really haven't used Armstrong for a season or so, so don't see the need of him being replaced, if Ntcham isn't playing we can put McGregor there

BR says that Sinclair is back on form, so don't see McGregor being played out wide in many SPL games (guess French Eddy will play out wide in some games to, which will make McGregor more in central, if he is going to play) + Ewan Henderson will need to see more first team football this season (either with us or out on loan) so he could cover (at least in some SPL games) without much trouble + Bitton and Kouassie could play along side Brown in another type of role.

We should concentrate on getting players that will make the first 11 better, not back up players
Not disagreeing with that but there has been no links to a player who would slot right into our starting 11.

IF Sinclair is back to his best. How many starting 11 players do we need? 2?

RB and a CB?
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Luca
3 Jul 2018, 11:30 AM
Scotty_Bhoy_7
3 Jul 2018, 11:26 AM
Just my opinion but I think the Celtic jersey would be too heavy for McGinn. Much like Hayes.
Are the new strips really that poor in quality?
Nae Balance
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evan15
3 Jul 2018, 11:31 AM
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3 Jul 2018, 11:28 AM
evan15
3 Jul 2018, 11:06 AM

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We really haven't used Armstrong for a season or so, so don't see the need of him being replaced, if Ntcham isn't playing we can put McGregor there

BR says that Sinclair is back on form, so don't see McGregor being played out wide in many SPL games (guess French Eddy will play out wide in some games to, which will make McGregor more in central, if he is going to play) + Ewan Henderson will need to see more first team football this season (either with us or out on loan) so he could cover (at least in some SPL games) without much trouble + Bitton and Kouassie could play along side Brown in another type of role.

We should concentrate on getting players that will make the first 11 better, not back up players
Not disagreeing with that but there has been no links to a player who would slot right into our starting 11.

IF Sinclair is back to his best. How many starting 11 players do we need? 2?

RB and a CB?
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evan15
3 Jul 2018, 11:28 AM
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3 Jul 2018, 11:26 AM
Just my opinion but I think the Celtic jersey would be too heavy for McGinn. Much like Hayes.
Hayes never looked Celtic quality and was not at an age to develop into Celtic quality.

Absolutely bizarre signing.
You gave up on him then?
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I'm not convinced McGinn offers anything that McGregor doesn't at this stage, but I'm fairly benign about the prospect of him signing. It will be interesting to see how he improves under Rodgers.

I don't think the comparisons to Hayes hold much water - McGinn is young and has the potential to improve, whereas Hayes is now gone 30 and likely past his peak.

Provided it's not for daft money, it seems a reasonable transfer.
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3 Jul 2018, 11:33 AM
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3 Jul 2018, 11:28 AM

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Not disagreeing with that but there has been no links to a player who would slot right into our starting 11.

IF Sinclair is back to his best. How many starting 11 players do we need? 2?

RB and a CB?
LB :ph43r:
Lets effin hope not.

Regarding KT I've mentioned it previously but my mate played all the way through the ranks with him at Celtic and is still good mates with him.

The boy's Celtic through and through. Lot of gumf on this saying he shouldn't be acting like he is if he's going to leave at the first big offer.

My mate genuinely said to me he'll want to stay at Celtic his whole career and if he's ever sold it'll be the clubs doing.

Food for thought for but that's from someone who knows him very well and I genuinely don't see him leaving until we do 10.
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3 Jul 2018, 10:35 AM

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Replacing armstrong will cost a lot of money, thankfully we have that so should spend it. Ollie ntcham is a better player than armstrong and was signed last summer for good money. Why cant we do something similar this season and improve the standard of the team immediately?
Whether it be in terms of football style or on purely results, Ntcham did not improve Celtic last season, because by any measure we were not as good as the season before despite largely the same outcomes.

The evidence is there in spades suggesting this. However nobody in their right mind will lay that at his door.

None of this is an exact science or a perfectly linear model.

McGinn is in scope because of his known availability, his familiarity with the league and the club, his likely desire to play for the club, and the fact he available for an outlay that is within our bracket.

The club will always make signings like this and it always has. What seems to be changing is the support's sniffiness towards them being made.
As ever was, the more successful we get, the sniffier we get.
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I think if we hit the 10 then KT might look for a move away, unless there is unfinished business (club captain, lifting a european trophy) that he wants to aim for. My gut tells me the guy wants to be a legendary Celtic player and for that he needs to part of the team that does something spectacular (10 IAR, Euro trophy) or is the club captain for a large part of his career.
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SuperHans67
3 Jul 2018, 11:09 AM
I admit the 3m spent on Kouassi does look strange but I still don’t think having him is reason for not signing McGinn. His passing is every bit as ropey as McGinn’s imo. McGinn is box to box, two different players.
Kouassi’s passing is absolutely dreadful from the little we’ve seen of him.
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Forza
3 Jul 2018, 11:03 AM
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SuperHans67
3 Jul 2018, 10:35 AM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deep
Replacing armstrong will cost a lot of money, thankfully we have that so should spend it. Ollie ntcham is a better player than armstrong and was signed last summer for good money. Why cant we do something similar this season and improve the standard of the team immediately?
Whether it be in terms of football style or on purely results, Ntcham did not improve Celtic last season, because by any measure we were not as good as the season before despite largely the same outcomes.

The evidence is there in spades suggesting this. However nobody in their right mind will lay that at his door.

None of this is an exact science or a perfectly linear model.

McGinn is in scope because of his known availability, his familiarity with the league and the club, his likely desire to play for the club, and the fact he available for an outlay that is within our bracket.

The club will always make signings like this and it always has. What seems to be changing is the support's sniffiness towards them being made.
Aye, I'd definitely take a punt on him. We're not selling the farm and flying to Vegas to stick it all on red.

We do have Ntcham, Brown, etc, but players get injured, lose form or need a break. McGinn will get his chance and it's up to him to take it. If he doesn't, then he won't play and that's the same for everyone from Roberts* to Sinclair, Ntcham, Dembele and Griffiths.

Don't know anything about the Wilson fella, but we need someone to challenge Forrest out there.

*last season, obviously.
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lisbonlion67
3 Jul 2018, 11:20 AM
McGinn is a no brainier for me
Especially in possession
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evan15
3 Jul 2018, 11:37 AM
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deepIF Sinclair is back to his best. How many starting 11 players do we need? 2?

RB and a CB?
LB :ph43r:
Lets effin hope not.

Regarding KT I've mentioned it previously but my mate played all the way through the ranks with him at Celtic and is still good mates with him.

The boy's Celtic through and through. Lot of gumf on this saying he shouldn't be acting like he is if he's going to leave at the first big offer.

My mate genuinely said to me he'll want to stay at Celtic his whole career and if he's ever sold it'll be the clubs doing.

Food for thought for but that's from someone who knows him very well and I genuinely don't see him leaving until we do 10.
I believe that Tierney currently intends to stay at Celtic for his whole career, but that doesn't mean he might not change his mind if a big move is on offer and/or he feels he's already done everything he's going to do in a Celtic jersey.

Even Paul McStay came very close to leaving Celtic at one point, and the riches and celebrity adulation on offer at the big clubs these days are far more that they were in the Maestro's time.
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Regards your first point DKB, we had both McGregor and Ntcham against McGinn back in September and he completely ran the show. McGregor scored two also but our midfield was non existent.
Edited by SuperHans67, 3 Jul 2018, 11:58 AM.
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