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Summer '18 Transfer Window; all Celtic stuff in here
Topic Started: 21 May 2018, 11:41 AM (855,313 Views)
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Given Rodgers' almost constant message of adding quality instead of quantity, I would find McGinn and Wilson very odd signings if they do happen. IMO neither are as good as the player they are earmarked to replace and neither will be anything like 1st choice in their position if they do sign.

I get that numbers are required for both positions but surely we should strive to replace both Roberts and Armstrong with similar, if not better, quality players?
If you've been listening to the manager, then you'll also know that he's said replacing the outgoing players with similar or better quality costs a lot of money.

We're never going to sell a player to the £PL & then buy a direct replacement, we'll always have to buy someone who can work up towards being that guy.

McGinn wanting to be here, is a better player than Armstrong wanting away is.
Remains to be seen if McGinn can be as good or better than Armstrong at his height, but Armstrong didn't hit those heights for long - so maybe he's got a chance?

As for signing 1st choice players to replace Armstrong & Roberts, neither of these players were 1st choice when they left - so why should their replacements be? :ponder:
Great post :thumbsup:
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Kris Boyd was nominated too, we`re not signing him thankfully.

FWIW I know a lot of our fans like him as he`s one of us but I know a lot of Hibees and one of my mates sons has a very good job at Hibs and they all say the same. Mcgeouch was their best player and will be their biggest loss.
Ok, well in my opinion McGinn is the more effective player for them and his goals, assists and performances against us, Sevco, Hearts and Aberdeen are enough to convince me he'd be a worthwhile acquisition.
Will he play that far forward for us though?
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McGinn was the best player at Hibs last year.

McGeouch is the one people keep mentioning; he might look a more elegant player but he had much less of an impact on games than McGinn did.
Mcgeouch won Hibs players and fans player of the year awards. HIbs guys might know better.
Subjective measurement. Also coming from a fan base clearly eager for McGeouch to sign a new contract. When McGeouch had a year left last year, no one was mentioning a move of £2m plus from Hibs.

McGinn played more games, played more minutes, scored more goals, assisted more goals.
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3 Jul 2018, 09:53 AM
McGinn was the best player at Hibs last year.

McGeouch is the one people keep mentioning; he might look a more elegant player but he had much less of an impact on games than McGinn did.
Mcgeouch won Hibs players and fans player of the year awards. HIbs guys might know better.
Subjective measurement. Also coming from a fan base clearly eager for McGeouch to sign a new contract. When McGeouch had a year left last year, no one was mentioning a move of £2m plus from Hibs.

McGinn played more games, played more minutes, scored more goals, assisted more goals.
Like I said fair enough, scouts don`t generally base their opinions on fans likes or dislikes.Mcginn is very much a known quantity to our club.

Hibs fans subjectively rated Dylan higher and clearly have a less evolved way of informing their opinions than ours, I can accept that as they`re mostly from Embra.
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Subjective measurement. Also coming from a fan base clearly eager for McGeouch to sign a new contract. When McGeouch had a year left last year, no one was mentioning a move of £2m plus from Hibs.

McGinn played more games, played more minutes, scored more goals, assisted more goals.
Like I said fair enough, scouts don`t generally base their opinions on fans likes or dislikes.Mcginn is very much a known quantity to our club.

Hibs fans subjectively rated Dylan higher and clearly have a less evolved way of informing their opinions than ours, I can accept that as they`re mostly from Embra.
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The thing with McGeouch is we already have a similar player in Ntcham who is also levels above him.

We need a McGinn type player rather than a McGeouch.
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Given Rodgers' almost constant message of adding quality instead of quantity, I would find McGinn and Wilson very odd signings if they do happen. IMO neither are as good as the player they are earmarked to replace and neither will be anything like 1st choice in their position if they do sign.

I get that numbers are required for both positions but surely we should strive to replace both Roberts and Armstrong with similar, if not better, quality players?
If you've been listening to the manager, then you'll also know that he's said replacing the outgoing players with similar or better quality costs a lot of money.

We're never going to sell a player to the £PL & then buy a direct replacement, we'll always have to buy someone who can work up towards being that guy.

McGinn wanting to be here, is a better player than Armstrong wanting away is.
Remains to be seen if McGinn can be as good or better than Armstrong at his height, but Armstrong didn't hit those heights for long - so maybe he's got a chance?

As for signing 1st choice players to replace Armstrong & Roberts, neither of these players were 1st choice when they left - so why should their replacements be? :ponder:
Great post :thumbsup:
Replacing armstrong will cost a lot of money, thankfully we have that so should spend it. Ollie ntcham is a better player than armstrong and was signed last summer for good money. Why cant we do something similar this season and improve the standard of the team immediately?
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McGinn ? nah, not for me.
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evan15
3 Jul 2018, 10:51 AM
The thing with McGeouch is we already have a similar player in Ntcham who is also levels above him.

We need a McGinn type player rather than a McGeouch.
McGinn might be better doing the job that Brown did before we signed him, running around closing down things

Kouassie (the little we have seen of him) is much better (than McGinn) at doing the job that Brown does now, sitting back protecting the back line and make an attacking pass now and again

IF we sign McGinn he would have to adapt to a hole new style of football - only took Brown 7-8 years not to chasing down everything without sight of what we behind him - hopefully if the transfer goes though McGinn will take less time to adapt

Don't see the need of McGinn, but if that is what BR wants, then go for it
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Great post :thumbsup:
Replacing armstrong will cost a lot of money, thankfully we have that so should spend it. Ollie ntcham is a better player than armstrong and was signed last summer for good money. Why cant we do something similar this season and improve the standard of the team immediately?
Whether it be in terms of football style or on purely results, Ntcham did not improve Celtic last season, because by any measure we were not as good as the season before despite largely the same outcomes.

The evidence is there in spades suggesting this. However nobody in their right mind will lay that at his door.

None of this is an exact science or a perfectly linear model.

McGinn is in scope because of his known availability, his familiarity with the league and the club, his likely desire to play for the club, and the fact he available for an outlay that is within our bracket.

The club will always make signings like this and it always has. What seems to be changing is the support's sniffiness towards them being made.
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If it's true that both us and Sevco are in for the Liverpool Winger I can see Wilson Pickett Anfiled and finally sign In the Midnight hour. Maybe if we bought him a brand new Mustang (1965) we could get it over the line.
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3 Jul 2018, 11:01 AM
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3 Jul 2018, 10:51 AM
The thing with McGeouch is we already have a similar player in Ntcham who is also levels above him.

We need a McGinn type player rather than a McGeouch.
McGinn might be better doing the job that Brown did before we signed him, running around closing down things

Kouassie (the little we have seen of him) is much better (than McGinn) at doing the job that Brown does now, sitting back protecting the back line and make an attacking pass now and again

IF we sign McGinn he would have to adapt to a hole new style of football - only took Brown 7-8 years not to chasing down everything without sight of what we behind him - hopefully if the transfer goes though McGinn will take less time to adapt

Don't see the need of McGinn, but if that is what BR wants, then go for it
I get what you are saying but I see him more of an immediate Armstrong replacement rather than Brown.

Maybe over years he can develop his game under Rodgers to fit into Browns role but I've heard they see Kouassi filling that in years to come and that they rate him very highly.

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Also onto the boy Wilson from Liverpool, surely we could push for a permanent deal?
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3 Jul 2018, 11:06 AM
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evan15
3 Jul 2018, 10:51 AM
The thing with McGeouch is we already have a similar player in Ntcham who is also levels above him.

We need a McGinn type player rather than a McGeouch.
McGinn might be better doing the job that Brown did before we signed him, running around closing down things

Kouassie (the little we have seen of him) is much better (than McGinn) at doing the job that Brown does now, sitting back protecting the back line and make an attacking pass now and again

IF we sign McGinn he would have to adapt to a hole new style of football - only took Brown 7-8 years not to chasing down everything without sight of what we behind him - hopefully if the transfer goes though McGinn will take less time to adapt

Don't see the need of McGinn, but if that is what BR wants, then go for it
I get what you are saying but I see him more of an immediate Armstrong replacement rather than Brown.

Maybe over years he can develop his game under Rodgers to fit into Browns role but I've heard they see Kouassi filling that in years to come and that they rate him very highly.

He's so good we daren't risk playing him in case he gets injured. :lol:

I hope you're right btw. :thumbsup:
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I admit the 3m spent on Kouassi does look strange but I still don’t think having him is reason for not signing McGinn. His passing is every bit as ropey as McGinn’s imo. McGinn is box to box, two different players.
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I get what you are saying but I see him more of an immediate Armstrong replacement rather than Brown.

Maybe over years he can develop his game under Rodgers to fit into Browns role but I've heard they see Kouassi filling that in years to come and that they rate him very highly.

He's so good we daren't risk playing him in case he gets injured. :lol:

I hope you're right btw. :thumbsup:
His lack of game time has been odd but I think it's mostly down to how much the team struggles to function without Brown.

Nothing really against Kouassi in footballing terms just a lack of leadership on the pitch I think.
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2 plus Allan. Should do it. I'd be wary of going above that.
I think thats what they will deal at.

They have lost mcgeough as well so they will want allan in very soon.
Mikey89 said the other day that Allan isn't going anywhere just now :ponder:
I'd be happy enough to give allan another shot, I think he is a talented player.
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There has been times I have watched us this year and thought we could do with a McGinn on the pitch.

We have technical ability in abundance compared to anyone else in the league and we still couldn't break a lot of teams down.

McGinn is very direct, hungry and has a decent long shot on him.

Maybe right now he is not on par technically with our other midfielders but I feel like we missed Armstrong's direct running and energy when he went off the boil and perhaps McGinn could add this.

Plus, at 23 he is only going to improve under a great coach in Rodgers.
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McGinn is a no brainier for me
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Mikey89 said the other day that Allan isn't going anywhere just now :ponder:
I'd be happy enough to give allan another shot, I think he is a talented player.
I actually agree with this and said it at times last season when Rogic was out we missed a creative spark, he's not in the same league as Rogic however given the amount of the ball we have in Scotland we could certainly use him as back up in this role.
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