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Summer '18 Transfer Window; all Celtic stuff in here
Topic Started: 21 May 2018, 11:41 AM (855,323 Views)
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ChiliPepper
2 Jul 2018, 03:55 PM
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ian1888
2 Jul 2018, 03:32 PM
I dont want McGinn. He wont improve us so whats the point in signing him unless its to sell him for a profit next year. He isn't good enough to get into our team , which should really be the end of the matter.
It's about having a squad and he has plenty development in him. . .it's what we do, we done it with Armstrong.
This thing about McGinn not being good enough to play for us is nonsense. He's the only centre mid in Scotland over the last couple of years who consistently gets to grips with Brown, we've all seen that on more than one occassion. And you can hear it in the way Brown talks about him. He singled him out in his recent Celtic TV interview and he's done similar in the past.

Brown's just turned 33 and is unlikely to have any more than 1 season left at his current level of performance. McGinn is 10 years younger and the obvious choice to come in and deputise for a while before stepping into his shoes. He's going to be a Scotland regular for the forseeable future and he's going relatively cheap. And Rodgers obviously rates him, even the rumours about us not doing the deal have been predicated on the fact that we've been after him.
Spot on with everything you say there.
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This thing about McGinn not being good enough to play for us is nonsense. He's the only centre mid in Scotland over the last couple of years who consistently gets to grips with Brown, we've all seen that on more than one occassion. And you can hear it in the way Brown talks about him. He singled him out in his recent Celtic TV interview and he's done similar in the past.

Brown's just turned 33 and is unlikely to have any more than 1 season left at his current level of performance. McGinn is 10 years younger and the obvious choice to come in and deputise for a while before stepping into his shoes. He's going to be a Scotland regular for the forseeable future and he's going relatively cheap. And Rodgers obviously rates him, even the rumours about us not doing the deal have been predicated on the fact that we've been after him.
Spot on with everything you say there.
It has been suggested by many in the know that Rodgers doesn’t rate him and he even stated it himself that koussi would be brown replacement when asked about McGinn. McGinn May or may not sign but he is not as good as brown, McGregor, Ntcham and I suspect koussi.
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If we are going to sign him just get it done so we can concentrate on areas we need to improve
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Pato is in Austria.

Probably nothing to do with Celtic but ye never know :lol:
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2 Jul 2018, 04:29 PM
Pato is in Austria.

Probably nothing to do with Celtic but ye never know :lol:
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Spot on with everything you say there.
It has been suggested by many in the know that Rodgers doesn’t rate him and he even stated it himself that koussi would be brown replacement when asked about McGinn. McGinn May or may not sign but he is not as good as brown, McGregor, Ntcham and I suspect koussi.
You could be right about Kouassi being Brown's replacement, but how long would he stay at Celtic for (3 years, possibly 4 at most). Kouassi may be a replacement for the position Brown plays at present, whereas McGinn could be an option for where Brown used to play when he was younger.

I don't actually rate McGinn much myself, but if BR thinks he worth shelling out a couple of million, with Allen as part of the deal, then he certainly knows a gazillion times more about football than I ever will
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2 Jul 2018, 03:55 PM
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ian1888
2 Jul 2018, 03:32 PM
I dont want McGinn. He wont improve us so whats the point in signing him unless its to sell him for a profit next year. He isn't good enough to get into our team , which should really be the end of the matter.
It's about having a squad and he has plenty development in him. . .it's what we do, we done it with Armstrong.
This thing about McGinn not being good enough to play for us is nonsense. He's the only centre mid in Scotland over the last couple of years who consistently gets to grips with Brown, we've all seen that on more than one occassion. And you can hear it in the way Brown talks about him. He singled him out in his recent Celtic TV interview and he's done similar in the past.

Brown's just turned 33 and is unlikely to have any more than 1 season left at his current level of performance. McGinn is 10 years younger and the obvious choice to come in and deputise for a while before stepping into his shoes. He's going to be a Scotland regular for the forseeable future and he's going relatively cheap. And Rodgers obviously rates him, even the rumours about us not doing the deal have been predicated on the fact that we've been after him.
Scotland regular isn't anything to shout about.

He may be 10 years younger, but that doesn't make him a ready made replacement, they are 2 completely different players.

Also why is replacing Scott Brown, with like for like, a must have? Replacements don't need to be carbon copies of the player they will be replacing.

It wasn't so long ago we had Ki, Ledley and Wanyama all playing the central role and our captain, being shifted out to right mid at times.

Fwiw, I like the type of player Brown is, in the middle of the park but it won't be the end of the world, if we can't get someone that does what he does.

Also the McGinn being able to get in about Brown has been built up to ridiculous levels, I thought last season there was 1 and a half games, he done well against Brown, the rest of the time, ?I thought Brown came out the better.(but you wouldn't know it the way the press fan boys went on)

The boy at Thistle with the long hair done similar, does that mean we should be interested in him as well because he seemed to be able to go up against Scott Brown?

Edit - I should add, I'm not against signing him and trying to develop him, if the price is right, but the price quoted isn't imo. I think the money can and should be spent on other areas of the pitch first.
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2 Jul 2018, 04:26 PM
If we are going to sign him just get it done so we can concentrate on areas we need to improve
You do realise we can negotiate more than 1 transfer at a time, right?
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Spot on with everything you say there.
It has been suggested by many in the know that Rodgers doesn’t rate him and he even stated it himself that koussi would be brown replacement when asked about McGinn. McGinn May or may not sign but he is not as good as brown, McGregor, Ntcham and I suspect koussi.
McGinn doesn't necessarily need to be better than or even as good as our other midfield options to be an asset to the team though - if he brings us something we currently lack that could be reason enough to spend a couple of million on him and see what else we can develop in his game over a couple of years.

We all saw how we struggled to break down teams that defend deep and stay organised against us (and how some of the elite players in world fitba have been struggling with the same thing at this world cup) - if a player like McGinn brings an option of picking the ball up deep and running at the opposition to break up their organisation, or to do the disruptive job of chasing down opposition players and forcing errors the way Broony used to then it could work out.

It's never a simple case of one player being better than another, it's how he fits in the manager's game plan and complements what the rest of the team are doing.
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2 Jul 2018, 04:29 PM
Pato is in Austria.

Probably nothing to do with Celtic but ye never know :lol:
I know all the scenarios about how much he is on in China etc but if he is (and I've seen the photo) that along with his Shamrock a couple of weeks ago is some coincidence.


Would also mean that Moussa was away IMO if he was.



But before I get swamped with replies let me say here i'm not saying he's signing.
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Scotland regular isn't anything to shout about.

Fine, but people are talking like our players are somehow a level apart from him, when he's got more caps than Armstrong and McGregor and he's younger than both of them.
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Fwiw, I like the type of player Brown is, in the middle of the park but it won't be the end of the world, if we can't get someone that does what he does.

We're one team with Brown and a totally different team without him. That's something we've got to try and address. This season we're going to need to be able to rest Brown without that dramatic fall in the tempo of our play. Kouassi may turn out to be a good player but he's not capable of doing Brown's job at the moment, and Rodgers doesn't regard Biton as an option there. McGinn isn't a carbon copy of Brown but he is similar in a lot of ways and may allow us to rest Brown without changing our gameplan in general.
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Also the McGinn being able to get in about Brown has been built up to ridiculous levels, I thought last season there was 1 and a half games, he done well against Brown

One and a half games he did well against Brown. Plus the 2-2 game at Parkhead where Brown wasn't playing and McGinn scored twice from outside the box in what was probably the best performance of a domestic team at Parkhead that season. Hibs were the only team in the league who gave us a tough game every time we played them last season, in part because they're the only team that tends to have their fair share of possession against us. The fact that McGinn is a cut above the other centre mids in the league (us aside) is a big reason for that.
Edited by ChiliPepper, 2 Jul 2018, 05:53 PM.
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effing McGinn again :comp:
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effing McGinn again :comp:
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effing McGinn again :comp:
Robbie Keanes too old for us to be talking about him every window .
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If we were to lose Tierney it would be a blow - no question. But had the issue of right back and centre half been addressed (or even looking as if we're about to address them) then I wouldn't be so concerned that this window could turn into a total mess.
Edited by Corky Buczek, 2 Jul 2018, 06:25 PM.
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...and may actually anger them that this signals the continuation of sloppy scouting. It's not I don't think the guy is ok, there are deficiencies elsewhere that are urgent, and ok is not ok for CL qualification. If buying a replacement for Brown make it quality. Just another waste of money and lack of imagination.
PL said in the interview he gave to the podcasters that the transfer business was going to happen deep in the window.

No panic but not keen.
Not worried but I've heard this record before. "Bring in quality... takes time... working on a few things... expect one or two more before the window shuts... January is when we will strengthen... January a difficult window because everyone is overpriced... we expect to conduct our business later in the summer..." etc etc

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2 Jul 2018, 03:32 PM
I dont want McGinn. He wont improve us so whats the point in signing him unless its to sell him for a profit next year. He isn't good enough to get into our team , which should really be the end of the matter.
How can we sell McGinn for a profit if he isn’t good enough to get into the team? Even arch alchemist Peter Lawwell hasn’t worked out that formula yet.
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Was that not a Bee-Gees song?
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Begin again.....

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This thing about McGinn not being good enough to play for us is nonsense. He's the only centre mid in Scotland over the last couple of years who consistently gets to grips with Brown, we've all seen that on more than one occassion. And you can hear it in the way Brown talks about him. He singled him out in his recent Celtic TV interview and he's done similar in the past.

Brown's just turned 33 and is unlikely to have any more than 1 season left at his current level of performance. McGinn is 10 years younger and the obvious choice to come in and deputise for a while before stepping into his shoes. He's going to be a Scotland regular for the forseeable future and he's going relatively cheap. And Rodgers obviously rates him, even the rumours about us not doing the deal have been predicated on the fact that we've been after him.
Spot on with everything you say there.
The fact McGinn has licence to get in Brown’s face whilst playing for Hibs, means feck all in the grand scheme of things or what he would be capable of playing for us.

If Scotland beat the eventual WC winners - does that make us World Champions?

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