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Summer '18 Transfer Window; all Celtic stuff in here
Topic Started: 21 May 2018, 11:41 AM (855,374 Views)
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allthewine
27 Jun 2018, 01:36 PM
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27 Jun 2018, 01:25 PM
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27 Jun 2018, 01:19 PM

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If there's no outlay, and he's on a big appearance bonus style contract then we'd almost be daft not to.
I am not sure, mate.

Seems odd to me.

We need a top class right back.

A guy who hasn't played for 2 years is a huge risk.

Famous last words given he's about to play in a crucial game but Lustig has shown he's got more than decent performances left in him. If we can ease him down while easing another guy in, one who potentially can be top class, then it seems ideal, almost too good to be true.
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Never thought I'd get excited about a Championship right back I'd never heard of who hasn't even kicked a ball for 2 years through injury, but I'm definitely excited about this one :rocker:
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27 Jun 2018, 01:19 PM
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27 Jun 2018, 01:08 PM
In that 2015/16 Hull promotion season Odubajo played 53 games. More than Andy Robertson, Harry Maguire and players like Elmohamady, Diame, Livermore and Huddlestone. We would be unlikely to get sniffy about any of the aforementioned players. He was also younger than all of them, even Maguire.

Robertson had more goals and assists from the left back position (4 and 7), but Odubajo still had 4 assists.

He has literally not played a competitive game since. Now, there's a huge down side to that in terms of risk and the lad's career, but the return is potentially massive if he is fully rehabilitated, he's mentally strong and has a point to prove.

His clips also show him to have real pace.

Let's face it, some folk would be happier with it if he had a big shiny £3m fee attached.
He hasn't played in two years.

This is a huge risk & one we don't really need to take.
We probably took a similar risk with Craig Gordon and that worked out well enough.

Hartson failed a medical at the huns but was also a good signing for us.

Risks can pay off.
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If our medical staff are as on the ball as they were with the contrasting outcomes regarding Craig Gordon and Rivaldo Coetzee then I'm sure we'll make the right call. Sounds like's got plenty about him as a player.
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27 Jun 2018, 01:59 PM
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27 Jun 2018, 01:25 PM
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27 Jun 2018, 01:19 PM

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If there's no outlay, and he's on a big appearance bonus style contract then we'd almost be daft not to.
Given its unlikely we will sign 2 right backs this summer, if moses doesnt work out, we have another year watching lustig at right back. The financial risk isnt big but the starting 11 doesnt improve in a key position we need upgraded.
And if it does work out then we've got a really good right back for nothing, and an excellent back up.
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27 Jun 2018, 11:58 AM
I saw Moses a bit when he was at Brentford too. I'd say that if he is 75% where he was then, he'll be best right back in Scotland by some distance.

Between 2012 and 2016 he played over 200 league games and was first choice in a very strong U20 international squad. He was very highly-rated.

If this guy hadn't been injured, he wouldn't be at Hull now and he'd be worth at least £20m in England. IF he is over his injuries and can prove to the medical team that there are no long-term worries then it is a no-brainer. We need a right back urgently and this guy was quality.

If you want to compare him to Flanagan - Flanagan made 70 appearances in 8 years, got 4 youth international caps and one full international friendly cap under Taylor and Hodgson respectively who were giving them out like sweeties and, since suffering a serious knee injury, has done nothing.

I don't understand why people seem to think we have to spend money to get quality. As others have said, sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't for a whole variety of reasons irrespective of fee.

We have to face reality that Scotland is not an attractive environment for the quality of footballers that people are demanding. It is not even just as easy as rocking up with a big fee and a decent salary because our salaries are nothing compared to the EPL and are no more attractive than the English Championship. Our only selling points to quality footballers, frankly, are (limited) European football and a stepping stone to the EPL, but if they're already in that quality bracket they will be looking to head to the EPL (or other more attractive league) anyway.
No one actually thinks that we can compete with EPL teams. But for godsakes we are not Partizan Tirana either. The likes of Ajax and Anderlecht are able to get to scout across Europe and pick up players with fees. You say you don't have to spend money to get quality - but it does help. We spent years throwing money away whilst rummaging about the bargain bin with regards to the striker dept. We spend serious money on wages and fees for the likes of Dembele (yes I know technically he was a free transfer) and Edouard and that area is now one of strongest areas.

If this guy is the right back upgrade to Lustig then I'm seriously underwhelmed.
Edited by Corky Buczek, 27 Jun 2018, 02:47 PM.
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27 Jun 2018, 02:17 PM
This has all the hallmarks of doing someone a favour, either the lad himself or an agent.
The medical staff can only do so much, they can tell it he is fit at the moment. However they will be unable or unlikely to be able to state with real certainty anything about the future. Nor will they be able to accurately assess his mental attitude to playing at a high leve, they like everyone else will have to see how things pan out.
I think we all hope for the best but we really should have several alternatives at this stage.
If you look at the clip attached to my post #2983, the guy certainly seems to have the right mentality at least.
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Plenty of people claiming we need top quality keeper / central defenders etc....yet look at Spain : De Gea - Ramos - Pique (Difficult to get much better) but they look fragile at times.....probably down to the guys around & in front of them....If we signed Kimmich he'd be slated as being too small for Scottish football.

Give me another Paul Telfer or Ramon Vega...steady and know the game...rarely let us down.
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27 Jun 2018, 02:38 PM
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27 Jun 2018, 01:19 PM
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27 Jun 2018, 01:08 PM
In that 2015/16 Hull promotion season Odubajo played 53 games. More than Andy Robertson, Harry Maguire and players like Elmohamady, Diame, Livermore and Huddlestone. We would be unlikely to get sniffy about any of the aforementioned players. He was also younger than all of them, even Maguire.

Robertson had more goals and assists from the left back position (4 and 7), but Odubajo still had 4 assists.

He has literally not played a competitive game since. Now, there's a huge down side to that in terms of risk and the lad's career, but the return is potentially massive if he is fully rehabilitated, he's mentally strong and has a point to prove.

His clips also show him to have real pace.

Let's face it, some folk would be happier with it if he had a big shiny £3m fee attached.
He hasn't played in two years.

This is a huge risk & one we don't really need to take.
We probably took a similar risk with Craig Gordon and that worked out well enough.

Hartson failed a medical at the huns but was also a good signing for us.

Risks can pay off.
Given our financial situation, is it a risk we need to take ? There were risks with Gordon given his injury record but my guess is that two years without playing for an outfield players means even more questions about their stamina and whether they still have pace etc.
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It'll be evident quite quickly if he's not got it any more, which is I imagine why we've given him a trial and not offered him a contract.
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Corky Buczek
27 Jun 2018, 02:47 PM
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27 Jun 2018, 02:38 PM
allthewine
27 Jun 2018, 01:19 PM

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We probably took a similar risk with Craig Gordon and that worked out well enough.

Hartson failed a medical at the huns but was also a good signing for us.

Risks can pay off.
Given our financial situation, is it a risk we need to take ? There were risks with Gordon given his injury record but my guess is that two years without playing for an outfield players means even more questions about their stamina and whether they still have pace etc.
As mentioned with Caulker, we all debated how big a risk that would be given the cash he'd have been on.

In the end, Dundee could afford to take him.

Maybe this guy won't be looking for a huge amount in his first year or whatever. I'm sure they'll be able to structure it in a way that works for both parties.

Don't know the guy as a player, but seems highly rated at one time so I guess they'll be assessing whether he can get back to that.

Thinking about it, did we knock back Paul McGrath because of his knees and he went on to have a great few seasons after that?
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27 Jun 2018, 12:05 PM
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27 Jun 2018, 11:04 AM
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27 Jun 2018, 11:02 AM
Spending money doesn't always guarantee success, nor does scouring the market for free transfers.

Barcelona signed Henrik Larsson on a free transfer. Man City paid 50m for John Stones.

If this guy is over his injuries, and I'd trust our medical team to establish his condition, he sounds like a player worth having.
Hope so but we’d be laughing if a certain other club had declared an interest to sign him.
No we wouldn't. He is a proven player, but has had injuries. He was pictured on the bench in training gear in Austria so it isn't just talks.
Each to their own but there would have been and to believe there wouldn’t have is just delusional.

We’re depending on our medical team getting it right. If we sign him then I wish him every success just thought we’d be going for a starter rather than a back up with a bit of history, doesn’t mean it won’t work out well.
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27 Jun 2018, 11:20 AM
A bit shampooe to stick around at a club injured for two years presumably being paid and treated then eff off on a Bosman at the first opportunity...
hull's owners are basket cases, so i don't blame anyone wanting out.
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He's there for us to have a look at him. Maybe play as a trialist in one of the games after his contract runs out.

They'll get a good look at him and be able to decide. Sensible.
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27 Jun 2018, 03:41 PM
He's there for us to have a look at him. Maybe play as a trialist in one of the games after his contract runs out.

They'll get a good look at him and be able to decide. Sensible.
Enough of this type of post! It doesnt contain any negativity at all :nono:
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I see the Rectum are running a negative story on us looking at him , yet bumming up Sevco's rejects !
I'm not providing a link to the carrots !
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27 Jun 2018, 02:43 PM
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27 Jun 2018, 11:58 AM
I saw Moses a bit when he was at Brentford too. I'd say that if he is 75% where he was then, he'll be best right back in Scotland by some distance.

Between 2012 and 2016 he played over 200 league games and was first choice in a very strong U20 international squad. He was very highly-rated.

If this guy hadn't been injured, he wouldn't be at Hull now and he'd be worth at least £20m in England. IF he is over his injuries and can prove to the medical team that there are no long-term worries then it is a no-brainer. We need a right back urgently and this guy was quality.

If you want to compare him to Flanagan - Flanagan made 70 appearances in 8 years, got 4 youth international caps and one full international friendly cap under Taylor and Hodgson respectively who were giving them out like sweeties and, since suffering a serious knee injury, has done nothing.

I don't understand why people seem to think we have to spend money to get quality. As others have said, sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't for a whole variety of reasons irrespective of fee.

We have to face reality that Scotland is not an attractive environment for the quality of footballers that people are demanding. It is not even just as easy as rocking up with a big fee and a decent salary because our salaries are nothing compared to the EPL and are no more attractive than the English Championship. Our only selling points to quality footballers, frankly, are (limited) European football and a stepping stone to the EPL, but if they're already in that quality bracket they will be looking to head to the EPL (or other more attractive league) anyway.
No one actually thinks that we can compete with EPL teams. But for godsakes we are not Partizan Tirana either. The likes of Ajax and Anderlecht are able to get to scout across Europe and pick up players with fees. You say you don't have to spend money to get quality - but it does help. We spent years throwing money away whilst rummaging about the bargain bin with regards to the striker dept. We spend serious money on wages and fees for the likes of Dembele (yes I know technically he was a free transfer) and Edouard and that area is now one of strongest areas.

If this guy is the right back upgrade to Lustig then I'm seriously underwhelmed.
From what I saw of him, I think he will be a serious upgrade on Lustig IF he is over the injuries and I’d trust the medical team on that.

I have no idea about our scouting prowess (although I have my doubts about Congerton and, yes, we have signed a lot of dross over the past ten years) and I doubt anyone really has, but it is not as simple as you portray. Both Ajax and Anderlecht benefit from a more relaxed attitude to immigration for example and Ajax will benefit from being seen to be in a more competitive league and a more favourable tax regime. Our infrastructure and support may have the potential to make us European premier league members but right now we are firmly in the third division and rapidly losing touch with even the second division. That - in my opinion - is cold, harsh reality. Not what I want or like, but there you go...frankly, the sooner we leave Scottish football and join a European league, the better.

Haven’t there been some studies which have shown that spending money is no guarantee of success?
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27 Jun 2018, 03:29 PM
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No we wouldn't. He is a proven player, but has had injuries. He was pictured on the bench in training gear in Austria so it isn't just talks.
Each to their own but there would have been and to believe there wouldn’t have is just delusional.

We’re depending on our medical team getting it right. If we sign him then I wish him every success just thought we’d be going for a starter rather than a back up with a bit of history, doesn’t mean it won’t work out well.
TBF I quite like having players in the same position who are a wee bit different from each other.

Lustig might play in games we need to defend & this guy if we sign him, plays in more attacking games.

Room for both, Ralston in there somewhere in the middle & learning from both approaches..
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27 Jun 2018, 03:52 PM
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He's there for us to have a look at him. Maybe play as a trialist in one of the games after his contract runs out.

They'll get a good look at him and be able to decide. Sensible.
Enough of this type of post! It doesnt contain any negativity at all :nono:
I agree, lets all be positive all the time just for the sake of being positive. We dont need a right back anyway as jack hendry will come good
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