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Summer '18 Transfer Window; all Celtic stuff in here
Topic Started: 21 May 2018, 11:41 AM (855,385 Views)
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26 Jun 2018, 02:17 PM
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26 Jun 2018, 02:07 PM
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26 Jun 2018, 11:27 AM

Alternatively. Rodgers signed Hayes after a great season (when he was under contract) and added him to the squad providing cover in a number of positions.

Compper too, added in January and given 6 months to bed in. He will now provide cover in our most important part of the season, one where a over the last 2 seasons we have been riddled with injuries and had to play O’Connell and then Bitton last season for CL qualifiers. Boyata & Lustig at World Cup, might just see compper being a very handy player to have as back up and someone making minimal fuss if he doesn’t play very week is vital for a squad. Compper has also apparently been working closely with Ajer. That experienced pro being about always helps young players. We always seem to get our knickers in a twist about certain players not playing, but the outlay for the club has been minimal so far, and might prove to be important.


People say this thing about Hayes providing cover in a number of positions, but he really only ever played at right wing or (less often) left wing. He was 3rd choice on the right and wasn't even 2nd choice to Sinclair on the left (Edouard or McGregor would get the nod ahead of him). He hardly ever played left wing back, if at all. I can't think of any examples of him doing so off the top of my head.

Compper isn't "bedding in", he's just not been good enough. People gave it the "bedding in" patter about Musonda and it was nonsense then too. Compper was/is 5th choice, which obviously wasn't the intention when we paid a fee for a guy that age from RB Leipzig. And he's not much use as cover this summer given that he's hardly kicked a ball in 18 months. He couldn't get a game in dead-rubbers at the end of the season, but apparently the plan is to chuck him into a £30mill CL qualifier? Don't think so.
How can Gerinho, not see that about Compper?
Poor Gerinho.
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26 Jun 2018, 11:31 AM
Wonder what happened to the "blue ribbon" signing we used to eagerly anticipate every transfer window. Mind you, I don't think we ever got one.
How dare you not say big JVoH wasn't a marquee signing.
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26 Jun 2018, 11:27 AM

Alternatively. Rodgers signed Hayes after a great season (when he was under contract) and added him to the squad providing cover in a number of positions.

Compper too, added in January and given 6 months to bed in. He will now provide cover in our most important part of the season, one where a over the last 2 seasons we have been riddled with injuries and had to play O’Connell and then Bitton last season for CL qualifiers. Boyata & Lustig at World Cup, might just see compper being a very handy player to have as back up and someone making minimal fuss if he doesn’t play very week is vital for a squad. Compper has also apparently been working closely with Ajer. That experienced pro being about always helps young players. We always seem to get our knickers in a twist about certain players not playing, but the outlay for the club has been minimal so far, and might prove to be important.


People say this thing about Hayes providing cover in a number of positions, but he really only ever played at right wing or (less often) left wing. He was 3rd choice on the right and wasn't even 2nd choice to Sinclair on the left (Edouard or McGregor would get the nod ahead of him). He hardly ever played left wing back, if at all. I can't think of any examples of him doing so off the top of my head.

Compper isn't "bedding in", he's just not been good enough. People gave it the "bedding in" patter about Musonda and it was nonsense then too. Compper was/is 5th choice, which obviously wasn't the intention when we paid a fee for a guy that age from RB Leipzig. And he's not much use as cover this summer given that he's hardly kicked a ball in 18 months. He couldn't get a game in dead-rubbers at the end of the season, but apparently the plan is to chuck him into a £30mill CL qualifier? Don't think so.
How can Gerinho, not see that about Compper? We've all watched this guy in numerous games since he signed - he's slow, he passes poorly, he hasn't any pace and he's always injured.

He will never bed in. He will never amount to anything. PUNT!
I know, those 83 tortured minutes are etched in the collective memory. PUNT.
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WGS used to say that the time to judge the success of a signing is at the end of his contract, not the beginning. Wise words.
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26 Jun 2018, 02:32 PM
WGS used to say that the time to judge the success of a signing is at the end of his contract, not the beginning. Wise words.
That was just an indirect way of WGS telling people to eff off and not question his decisions :lol:
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26 Jun 2018, 02:32 PM
WGS used to say that the time to judge the success of a signing is at the end of his contract, not the beginning. Wise words.
That's exactly the kind of thing a manager would say though, isn't it?

It takes the heat off them for buying absolute rubbish and by the time they're punted no one cares anymore! :lol:

Edit: Snap! (Beaten to it).
Edited by Tenenbaum, 26 Jun 2018, 02:41 PM.
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26 Jun 2018, 02:32 PM
WGS used to say that the time to judge the success of a signing is at the end of his contract, not the beginning. Wise words.
Exactly. We were all dead keen to see how Ciftci got on but we have been robbed of that privilege.
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26 Jun 2018, 01:08 PM
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26 Jun 2018, 11:32 AM

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The issue is the signings that never looked like a good idea in the first place.

Most people accept that there's an element of luck with signings like Kouassi. Sometimes you get a Wanyama, sometimes you get an Amido Balde. That's the chance you take when you're trying to scoop up talented players before the rest of Europe notices them. Not that I'm writing Kouassi off at this stage.

But some of Rodgers' signings are hard to understand.

Paying over £1mill for Johnny Hayes in the summer when he'd been available for free 6 months earlier. A 30-year-old winger on a 3 year deal. Then we sign Roberts, making Hayes our 3rd choice right-mid. Everything about that scenario screamed waste of money.

Compper- Commons was pilloried for this at the time, but he said it looked like a mistake straight away and he was 100% right. A 32-year-old who'd hardly played the previous season, not ready to hit the ground running. Still has 2 years left on his deal. According to (IIRC) Remy on the BtM podcast, we signed him because Congerton wanted him at Hamburg 5 years ago. If that's true, it's just a bizarre signing.

Giving DeVries a new deal after we knew he wasn't good enough. It's hard to see any rationale for that other than Rodgers liking him personally.

Musonda- if the figures reported at the time were correct, we either spent, or were due to spend, 5mill Euros on him for an 18 month loan (I think that's fee + wages). And he never looked a player from the off. Kilmarnock away and St Johnstone at home he looked out of his depth. We've cancelled the deal and it's now regarded as no harm no foul, but he must have cost nearly £1mill in wages alone, plus whatever fee was involved, if any. Absolutely criminal.

Then there's Congerton himself. You could hardly name two clubs in Europe who've underperformed as badly as Hamburg and Sunderland in the last few years. Not saying that's Congerton's fault, but it's another one of those that just looks like a bad idea from the off. Hopefully I'm wrong.

Obviously there have been some great signings in there too. And Rodgers is a brilliant coach and manager. But his recruitment is easily the worst thing about his otherwise stellar time here so far.
I think Hayes was signed to provide cover for KT or as WB when we play with three.

Commper is strange to understand. Maybe he will come good though.

Musonda looked good in small patches for Chelsea. I thought he would walk it in spl. I think it may be a matter of attitude rather than talent as he seemed to show promise in CL.

DDV looked excellent in preseason last year. I was expecting him to become number one.
Hayes cost no where near a million quid.
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26 Jun 2018, 02:17 PM
We've all watched this guy in numerous games since he signed - he's slow, he passes poorly, he hasn't any pace and he's always injured.
Hasn't he played, like, one game. Where he was okay?

And if he's injured, that would explain why have hasn't got a game, surely?
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26 Jun 2018, 02:32 PM
WGS used to say that the time to judge the success of a signing is at the end of his contract, not the beginning. Wise words.
WGS was one for manufacturing the end of peoples' contracts though by the sound of things.
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26 Jun 2018, 02:32 PM
WGS used to say that the time to judge the success of a signing is at the end of his contract, not the beginning. Wise words.
Can't wait till the end of next season to take a view on Musonda.

Strachan, as usual, was full of pish and wind.
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26 Jun 2018, 02:17 PM
We've all watched this guy in numerous games since he signed - he's slow, he passes poorly, he hasn't any pace and he's always injured.
Hasn't he played, like, one game. Where he was okay?

And if he's injured, that would explain why have hasn't got a game, surely?
He wasn't injured after his one game.
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26 Jun 2018, 02:32 PM
WGS used to say that the time to judge the success of a signing is at the end of his contract, not the beginning. Wise words.
Can only what the Middlesborough fans thought when they reviewed Strachan's signings when those player's contracts ended? I don't think they would take it as wise words.

He did do us a favour with the dosh paid for some of them. :)
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WTF was I thinking of by quoting WGS. It's like sticking a target on my back and handing out rifles :lol:
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26 Jun 2018, 02:17 PM
We've all watched this guy in numerous games since he signed - he's slow, he passes poorly, he hasn't any pace and he's always injured.
Hasn't he played, like, one game. Where he was okay?

And if he's injured, that would explain why have hasn't got a game, surely?
He wasn't injured after his one game.
It was the comment that I replied to which suggested he was.
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WTF was I thinking of by quoting WGS. It's like sticking a target on my back and handing out rifles :lol:
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He wasn't injured after his one game.
It was the comment that I replied to which suggested he was.
He wasn't injured. A totally unfit Boyata was played in front of him at Ibrox the next week as it was deemed to be a less risky option :ph43r: :lol: . That shows how off it Compper was deemed to be.
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26 Jun 2018, 11:31 AM
Wonder what happened to the "blue ribbon" signing we used to eagerly anticipate every transfer window. Mind you, I don't think we ever got one.
Dembele year 1, Ntcham last year and Edouard this year.

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how many potential signings that have gone on to be quality players in the last two seasons have PL refused to splash out on

BR and his team could have "discovered" a bunch of players that PL wouldn't fund, we can't know
The issue is the signings that never looked like a good idea in the first place.

Most people accept that there's an element of luck with signings like Kouassi. Sometimes you get a Wanyama, sometimes you get an Amido Balde. That's the chance you take when you're trying to scoop up talented players before the rest of Europe notices them. Not that I'm writing Kouassi off at this stage.

But some of Rodgers' signings are hard to understand.

Paying over £1mill for Johnny Hayes in the summer when he'd been available for free 6 months earlier. A 30-year-old winger on a 3 year deal. Then we sign Roberts, making Hayes our 3rd choice right-mid. Everything about that scenario screamed waste of money.

Compper- Commons was pilloried for this at the time, but he said it looked like a mistake straight away and he was 100% right. A 32-year-old who'd hardly played the previous season, not ready to hit the ground running. Still has 2 years left on his deal. According to (IIRC) Remy on the BtM podcast, we signed him because Congerton wanted him at Hamburg 5 years ago. If that's true, it's just a bizarre signing.

Giving DeVries a new deal after we knew he wasn't good enough. It's hard to see any rationale for that other than Rodgers liking him personally.

Musonda- if the figures reported at the time were correct, we either spent, or were due to spend, 5mill Euros on him for an 18 month loan (I think that's fee + wages). And he never looked a player from the off. Kilmarnock away and St Johnstone at home he looked out of his depth. We've cancelled the deal and it's now regarded as no harm no foul, but he must have cost nearly £1mill in wages alone, plus whatever fee was involved, if any. Absolutely criminal.

Then there's Congerton himself. You could hardly name two clubs in Europe who've underperformed as badly as Hamburg and Sunderland in the last few years. Not saying that's Congerton's fault, but it's another one of those that just looks like a bad idea from the off. Hopefully I'm wrong.

Obviously there have been some great signings in there too. And Rodgers is a brilliant coach and manager. But his recruitment is easily the worst thing about his otherwise stellar time here so far.
Hayes - best player in league outside celtic season before we signed him. cheap wages and no real risk.

Compper- Experienced Bundesligue centre half and the kind of profile of a defender we all want to sign this summer. No idea if its injuries or something else that has kept him out but then neither does anyone else on here.

De Vries - he's a backup goalie who rodgers has worked with in the past. He obviously trusts him.

Musonda- One of the highest rated young players in England who had experience of 1st team football in a decent league. We all thought it was a great signing. It didnt work, these things happen.


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Compper was a mistake as were Musonda and De Vries. Not good but it happens and will happen again in future. Some signings don’t work out for a variety of reasons.
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