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Summer '18 Transfer Window; all Celtic stuff in here
Topic Started: 21 May 2018, 11:41 AM (855,387 Views)
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25 Jun 2018, 11:20 PM
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25 Jun 2018, 11:09 PM
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25 Jun 2018, 11:02 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deep
As in which players?

Compper
Musonda
Hayes
Gamboa
De Vries (twice)
Kouassi (so far)
Benyu (so far)
Hendry (so far)

Certainly willing to cut the latter three some slack but that's plenty. Hit rate is about 50/50. Needs to be better.
The relative outlay and expected role on most of those players was low with the exception of Kouassi, who most people think has talent but unfortunately is competing with Brown in the form of his career for a place.

Our scouting is no worse than any other team and our record over the years in the low end of the market is consistent. Even under MON he got what he paid for with diminishing returns on the cheaper players.

We unearth some gems at lower prices and deals but 2 or 3 to 1 in that market won`t work out for a variety of reasons.

There`s a relentless criticism of Brendan and his scouting team now but it`s touch OTT or melodramatic.
Unless you can point out where I've been OTT or melodramatic, you might be a bit OTT or melodramatic there.
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Ok, its fairly consistent for the scouting critics like yourself to bring up guys like Benyu,Hayes,Gamboa etc as makeweights in a "our scoutings not very good" argument but they were never intended to be first team players. Musonda was brought on loan to compete for a first team place and couldn`t, no big loss.

Kouassi bought at 19 and contracted malaria after signing , again mitigating circumstances.

Context is everything when making a case for or against the scouts.Like I say it`s not dramtically worse than any point in the past but confirmation bias means these guys are chucked in as if they are some meaningful top notch signings which they weren t,most of them are/were intended to be squad players or in Benyus case a completely cheap punt.
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Fly Pelican
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25 Jun 2018, 11:35 PM
Ok, its fairly consistent for the scouting critics like yourself to bring up guys like Benyu,Hayes,Gamboa etc as makeweights in a "our scoutings not very good" argument but they were never intended to be first team players. Musonda was brought on loan to compete for a first team place and couldn`t, no big loss.

Kouassi bought at 19 and contracted malaria after signing , again mitigating circumstances.

Context is everything when making a case for or against the scouts.Like I say it`s not dramtically worse than any point in the past but confirmation bias means these guys are chucked in as if they are some meaningful top notch signings which they weren t,most of them are/were intended to be squad players or in Benyus case a completely cheap punt.
I'll give you Benyu but they were expected to contribute. Musonda wasn't on a salary which would constitute a punt.

The concern isn't the ones who don't quite make themselves a first pick. The concern is the ones who come in and do absolutely eff all.
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Maleys Spirit
25 Jun 2018, 11:20 PM
Fly Pelican
25 Jun 2018, 11:09 PM
He Cometh
25 Jun 2018, 11:02 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deep
As in which players?

Compper
Musonda
Hayes
Gamboa
De Vries (twice)
Kouassi (so far)
Benyu (so far)
Hendry (so far)

Certainly willing to cut the latter three some slack but that's plenty. Hit rate is about 50/50. Needs to be better.
The relative outlay and expected role on most of those players was low with the exception of Kouassi, who most people think has talent but unfortunately is competing with Brown in the form of his career for a place.

Our scouting is no worse than any other team and our record over the years in the low end of the market is consistent. Even under MON he got what he paid for with diminishing returns on the cheaper players.

We unearth some gems at lower prices and deals but 2 or 3 to 1 in that market won`t work out for a variety of reasons.

There`s a relentless criticism of Brendan and his scouting team now but it`s touch OTT or melodramatic.
1 in 9 is an appalling hit rate, let alone the fact Celtic have the resources to hire the best scouts and DOFs. Utterly lacking in accountability. A fact covered over by good coaching of incumbent players. Ensure equal emphasis on talent id and coaching, and gradual improvement results. No stagnation, no decline.
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leangreen
25 Jun 2018, 11:40 PM
Maleys Spirit
25 Jun 2018, 11:20 PM
Fly Pelican
25 Jun 2018, 11:09 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deep
The relative outlay and expected role on most of those players was low with the exception of Kouassi, who most people think has talent but unfortunately is competing with Brown in the form of his career for a place.

Our scouting is no worse than any other team and our record over the years in the low end of the market is consistent. Even under MON he got what he paid for with diminishing returns on the cheaper players.

We unearth some gems at lower prices and deals but 2 or 3 to 1 in that market won`t work out for a variety of reasons.

There`s a relentless criticism of Brendan and his scouting team now but it`s touch OTT or melodramatic.
1 in 9 is an appalling hit rate, let alone the fact Celtic have the resources to hire the best scouts and DOFs. Utterly lacking in accountability. A fact covered over by good coaching of incumbent players. Ensure equal emphasis on talent id and coaching, and gradual improvement results. No stagnation, no decline.
Apologies to Fly Pelican, all the melodrama and OTT is in this one!
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25 Jun 2018, 11:44 PM
leangreen
25 Jun 2018, 11:40 PM
Maleys Spirit
25 Jun 2018, 11:20 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deepOur scouting is no worse than any other team and our record over the years in the low end of the market is consistent. Even under MON he got what he paid for with diminishing returns on the cheaper players.

We unearth some gems at lower prices and deals but 2 or 3 to 1 in that market won`t work out for a variety of reasons.

There`s a relentless criticism of Brendan and his scouting team now but it`s touch OTT or melodramatic.
1 in 9 is an appalling hit rate, let alone the fact Celtic have the resources to hire the best scouts and DOFs. Utterly lacking in accountability. A fact covered over by good coaching of incumbent players. Ensure equal emphasis on talent id and coaching, and gradual improvement results. No stagnation, no decline.
Apologies to Fly Pelican, all the melodrama and OTT is in this one!
Insults are never a match for accuracy.
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Can`t be arsed with blinkered arguments that miss guys like Odsonne,Sinclair,Bain and Dembele etc but in your opinion what was the intended role of each player on that list compared to our outlay on them and in what way have they been any different from say MONS low end squad filler signings like eg Momo Sylla , Magnus Hedman or Michael Gray??
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Back up for KT is more important than a new RB just now. We've got 3 RBs and 1 LB who also happens to be one of our most important players. If he burns out we're lacking massively.

Bring Lee Naylor home.
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leangreen
25 Jun 2018, 11:48 PM
Maleys Spirit
25 Jun 2018, 11:44 PM
leangreen
25 Jun 2018, 11:40 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deepOur scouting is no worse than any other team and our record over the years in the low end of the market is consistent
Apologies to Fly Pelican, all the melodrama and OTT is in this one!
Insults are never a match for accuracy.
:lol:

The irony.
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Fly Pelican
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Maleys Spirit
25 Jun 2018, 11:56 PM
Can`t be arsed with blinkered arguments that miss guys like Odsonne,Sinclair,Bain and Dembele etc but in your opinion what was the intended role of each player on that list compared to our outlay on them and in what way have they been any different from say MONS low end squad filler signings like eg Momo Sylla , Magnus Hedman or Michael Gray??
I'm not ignoring the successes, it was an observation of the others that was all. We seem to lurch from the devine to the ridiculous - they're either gems or complete let downs. It's only odd because the amount of work we appear to put into each recruitment, which raises the question how did they ever think X player was suitable? That's happened on a few occasions from the list I gave you.

No idea where the 1 in 9 came from though :lol: :suspect:
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Thread jumped several pages....hopes up....

And nope 😂
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Only way I can see Morgan going on loan is if he looks poor in pre-season to the point where Rodgers decides he’s nowhere near ready for us. He’s already been on loan for half a season since we signed him, during which point he made his international debut and continued to impress for St Mirren. He’s not that young either. He’s pretty much the same age or older than at least a handful of our current first team players.
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Edit -

:doh:

Should have read the previous pages before posting.

In other news a big ship is leaving Southampton called the Tigantic or something like that.
Edited by spartacusthethird, 26 Jun 2018, 08:04 AM.
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:lol:

Is that twitter feeding KDS feeding twitter. The McGinn rumour just ate itself.
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26 Jun 2018, 08:03 AM
:lol:

Is that twitter feeding KDS feeding twitter. The McGinn rumour just ate itself.
I'm a cock me
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Maleys Spirit
25 Jun 2018, 11:56 PM
Can`t be arsed with blinkered arguments that miss guys like Odsonne,Sinclair,Bain and Dembele etc but in your opinion what was the intended role of each player on that list compared to our outlay on them and in what way have they been any different from say MONS low end squad filler signings like eg Momo Sylla , Magnus Hedman or Michael Gray??
There’s two main argument against this “signed a squad player argument”

Rodgers himself has said more than once that it’s about quality not quantity.

Guys like Compper(does anyone actually know if he’s still injured or not?), Gamboa and Kouassi aren’t event squad players. They’d be 3 pretty obvious replacements when Tierney, Lustig and Brown are injured/needing a rest or whatever but other guys get moved position or we change formation so those first 3 don’t need to play.
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Fly Pelican
26 Jun 2018, 08:03 AM
:lol:

Is that twitter feeding KDS feeding twitter. The McGinn rumour just ate itself.
We’re supposedly trying to sign Ouroboros
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BR has said on many occasions he wants two players to compete for every position. No more and no less.
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26 Jun 2018, 09:00 AM
BR has said on many occasions he wants two players to compete for every position. No more and no less.
Do you have any links to him saying this? My memory is not what is used to be, but I seem to recall him saying that he didn't need 2 players per position when he first joined us.
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If you were buying a centre half you would think you'd want them in and familiarized with the other centre half/halves and forming partnerships ahead of vital CL qualifiers...
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