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Summer '18 Transfer Window; all Celtic stuff in here
Topic Started: 21 May 2018, 11:41 AM (855,430 Views)
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We have three right backs on paper. In reality we do not have three right backs that are usable.

Lustig is there and he's 1st pick. He's a solid defender and he uses the ball well, but he's inury prone and he lacks pace. Of all our starting-11 players, I'd argue that Lustig is the one we could most easily improve on.

Rodgers doesn't rate Gamboa and doesn't use him. The fact that he's at the World Cup means eff all in that regard. He's not seen as a viable option by Rodgers, even as 2nd choice.

Ralston is young and I'm not going to write him off, but he's clearly not an immediate option in that position for us. He would've had plenty of chances to play in the second half of this season but we sent him on loan to a Championship team instead. There will be about 20-30 games next season that Lustig doesn't play (if last season is anything to go by) and Ralston clearly isn't going to be the man to start those games.

Hendry is never a right back in a million years, he's effing terrible in that position and our record when he plays there reflects that.

Not everything Rodgers does is some kind of masterplan. The situation at right back isn't how it's supposed to be, it's not on purpose. Arguing otherwise smacks of the "Musonda needs 6 montsh to settle in" patter.
Edited by ChiliPepper, 21 Jun 2018, 11:49 AM.
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Kingslim
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21 Jun 2018, 11:38 AM
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21 Jun 2018, 11:31 AM
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21 Jun 2018, 11:24 AM

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Let's cut to the chase

They're all not good enough. Lustig was and isn't anymore.

Doesn't matter how many RB's we have on the books - if they're not good enough, then they're not good enough.

Simple as that.

Ralston, Hendry, Gamboa are all not good enough. Lustig can do a job but he's struggled and can barely run these days.

We need a RB - no doubt about it
Just because you and many others are willing a new right back to be a given, it does not mean it is uppermost in the mind of the manager and his staff.

Every post I see on this is exactly the same. None of them are good enough, we NEED one. It's not going to happen through the force of your, or anyone else's will. Instead, maybe look at the current circumstances, three right backs, all under contract, with another player who has played there bought not even six months ago. That's the reality.

As for saying 19 year old Ralston is not good enough? Have a word. The lad has played in a total of eight games for the club.
I've saw Calvin Miller even less than that and he's not good enough

How long are we supposed to wait before being allowed to determine if someone is good enough?

The defence isn't good enough and so far, the manager has made most of his transfer blunders in the defensive area.
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21 Jun 2018, 11:39 AM
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21 Jun 2018, 11:24 AM
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21 Jun 2018, 11:12 AM

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No, it's not a misnomer at all. We have three right backs. Two are internationalists, at the World Cup no less. As you correctly identified, Rodgers also had no problem playing Hendry there, and has bigged up his attributes (pace) to be able to play that position. You might not like that, but it doesn't stop the fact that this is what the manager has done. I'll judge him on actions and words, not what the ongoing feeling is in the cranky transfer thread over the right back spot.

Ralston came back from a short to medium term injury and was sent on loan to the biggest club outside of the top tier trying to get promotion in relatively pressurised circumstances. He did so with a brand shiny new contract in his back hipper. It's not like they shuffled him off to Annan Athletic for the last six months of his contract before he was binned out the door.

Lustig played when fit and has a year left on his deal. Between him, Gamboa, Ralston and Hendry, the outlay on right sided defenders at the club is not exactly inconsiderable. At least one would need to be away before we went looking for an alternative. All I am saying is, if that doesn't happen, I don't exactly see it as bolted on that we'll be getting a new right back.
It’s a misnomer if the manager only thinks one of the three right backs is worthy of consideration. Personally, I haven’t seen enough of Ralston to offer much of an opinion of him but people whose views I respect tell me he’s nowhere near the level we need right now. Hendry at right back (or centre back for that matter!) is a disaster waiting to happen in a critical Champions League tie and I don’t think anyone knows when Lustig will be back from the World Cup - or what condition he’ll be in after a year without a rest.
Having been out for three months from late October, Celtic had a choice to make over what they did about Ralston's rehabilitation.

As it turns out he went and made 15 starts for Dundee United from mid March, instead of taking up a spot on our bench and getting isolated minutes here and there.

The manager probably views that as sensible and in his and the player's long term interest. It would be difficult to disagree. I'd have a different reaction if he was 23 and going nowhere. So this is in no way proof that he's not worthy of consideration.

Lustig wobbled badly last season. I think he was cut a fair bit of slack (too much) but he was clearly being shown some loyalty ahead of a World Cup. Ultimately, I don't really have an issue with that. He's been a good servant and a once in a lifetime thing for him might have been at stake if it had worked out differently.

The point remains the same. I'd judge the manager on what he does, not what you want him to do. Celtic are on the hook for quite a lot of salary for that area of the pitch until at least this time next year. Nobody gets to just ignore that when listing demands.

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Kingslim
21 Jun 2018, 11:48 AM
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21 Jun 2018, 11:38 AM
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21 Jun 2018, 11:31 AM

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Just because you and many others are willing a new right back to be a given, it does not mean it is uppermost in the mind of the manager and his staff.

Every post I see on this is exactly the same. None of them are good enough, we NEED one. It's not going to happen through the force of your, or anyone else's will. Instead, maybe look at the current circumstances, three right backs, all under contract, with another player who has played there bought not even six months ago. That's the reality.

As for saying 19 year old Ralston is not good enough? Have a word. The lad has played in a total of eight games for the club.
I've saw Calvin Miller even less than that and he's not good enough

How long are we supposed to wait before being allowed to determine if someone is good enough?

The defence isn't good enough and so far, the manager has made most of his transfer blunders in the defensive area.
Two words... Callum McGregor? Or is he still not got it?
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searcher52
21 Jun 2018, 12:16 PM
Kingslim
21 Jun 2018, 11:48 AM
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21 Jun 2018, 11:38 AM

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I've saw Calvin Miller even less than that and he's not good enough

How long are we supposed to wait before being allowed to determine if someone is good enough?

The defence isn't good enough and so far, the manager has made most of his transfer blunders in the defensive area.
Two words... Callum McGregor? Or is he still not got it?
Big games aye, run of the mill - not so much
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SO no-one has any idea of who we are looking at signing? Can't remember a window when there has been so few rumours.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/silvermccabe/status/1009762553663229953
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21 Jun 2018, 01:05 PM
seriously hope not

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21 Jun 2018, 01:05 PM
:clap:
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21 Jun 2018, 01:14 PM
Cant access....What does it say? :pray:
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Kingslim
21 Jun 2018, 11:31 AM
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21 Jun 2018, 11:24 AM
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21 Jun 2018, 11:12 AM

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No, it's not a misnomer at all. We have three right backs. Two are internationalists, at the World Cup no less. As you correctly identified, Rodgers also had no problem playing Hendry there, and has bigged up his attributes (pace) to be able to play that position. You might not like that, but it doesn't stop the fact that this is what the manager has done. I'll judge him on actions and words, not what the ongoing feeling is in the cranky transfer thread over the right back spot.

Ralston came back from a short to medium term injury and was sent on loan to the biggest club outside of the top tier trying to get promotion in relatively pressurised circumstances. He did so with a brand shiny new contract in his back hipper. It's not like they shuffled him off to Annan Athletic for the last six months of his contract before he was binned out the door.

Lustig played when fit and has a year left on his deal. Between him, Gamboa, Ralston and Hendry, the outlay on right sided defenders at the club is not exactly inconsiderable. At least one would need to be away before we went looking for an alternative. All I am saying is, if that doesn't happen, I don't exactly see it as bolted on that we'll be getting a new right back.
Let's cut to the chase

They're all not good enough. Lustig was and isn't anymore.

Doesn't matter how many RB's we have on the books - if they're not good enough, then they're not good enough.

Simple as that.

Ralston, Hendry, Gamboa are all not good enough. Lustig can do a job but he's struggled and can barely run these days.

We need a RB - no doubt about it
Just to clarify, are you saying they're not good enough?
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21 Jun 2018, 01:23 PM
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21 Jun 2018, 01:14 PM
Cant access....What does it say? :pray:
John Terry having a chat with Celtic officials in London today.
Edited by FunkyMonk, 21 Jun 2018, 01:27 PM.
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At least it's a rumour, not had one of those for a while
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21 Jun 2018, 01:24 PM
Kingslim
21 Jun 2018, 11:31 AM
Forza
21 Jun 2018, 11:24 AM

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Let's cut to the chase

They're all not good enough. Lustig was and isn't anymore.

Doesn't matter how many RB's we have on the books - if they're not good enough, then they're not good enough.

Simple as that.

Ralston, Hendry, Gamboa are all not good enough. Lustig can do a job but he's struggled and can barely run these days.

We need a RB - no doubt about it
Just to clarify, are you saying they're not good enough?
:lol:
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21 Jun 2018, 01:26 PM
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21 Jun 2018, 01:23 PM
Jozo67
21 Jun 2018, 01:14 PM
Cant access....What does it say? :pray:
John Terry having a chat with Celtic officials in London today.
Terry would be good signing, but he's an utter fud of a man.

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Cant access....What does it say? :pray:
John Terry having a chat with Celtic officials in London today.
Sorry I asked :doh:
Cheers
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21 Jun 2018, 01:24 PM
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21 Jun 2018, 11:31 AM
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21 Jun 2018, 11:24 AM

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Let's cut to the chase

They're all not good enough. Lustig was and isn't anymore.

Doesn't matter how many RB's we have on the books - if they're not good enough, then they're not good enough.

Simple as that.

Ralston, Hendry, Gamboa are all not good enough. Lustig can do a job but he's struggled and can barely run these days.

We need a RB - no doubt about it
Just to clarify, are you saying they're not good enough?
:lol:
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Terry done well in the Championship last year.

38 though. . legs have got to go at some point.
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Terry would be much more mobile than Toure. He’d be excellent for a season. He is a fud though.
Edited by SuperHans67, 21 Jun 2018, 02:03 PM.
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southern hun fud. no thanks.
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