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Every time we take on trialists I'm always reminded of Ivan De La Pena EDIT! And Amoroso, mind him! Eff sake.
And the Portuguese Dani. Mind we offered Rivaldo a trial as well ha ha ha?
I think we were right to ask Rivaldo to come on trial when he was offered to us - we got plenty of criticism with fans and pundits alike saying it was an insult and we should have just signed on the dotted line as soon as he was offered....but IIRC he turned out to be absolutely done as a player shortly after that. I wish we'd have taken the same approach with some of the other ageing "big names" who have drifted through our ranks over the years - come for a week or two's trial and prove you're still prepared to put in the hard graft, then we'll talk about a contract. I thought Rivaldo went on to play in Greece for Olympiacos and was pretty much their star player for 3 or 4 years?
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I think we were right to ask Rivaldo to come on trial when he was offered to us - we got plenty of criticism with fans and pundits alike saying it was an insult and we should have just signed on the dotted line as soon as he was offered....but IIRC he turned out to be absolutely done as a player shortly after that. I wish we'd have taken the same approach with some of the other ageing "big names" who have drifted through our ranks over the years - come for a week or two's trial and prove you're still prepared to put in the hard graft, then we'll talk about a contract.
I thought Rivaldo went on to play in Greece for Olympiacos and was pretty much their star player for 3 or 4 years? He was.
The others were coming back from bad injuries, prolonged form loss or having not played much. Asking Rivaldo, the best player in the world at one point to trial out is embarrassing and a waste of a very rare opportunity indeed.
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19 Jun 2018, 09:14 AM
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Well while we are on the subject I don't think any of the posts so far do justice when describing the mesmerising talent of paddy mccourt. The guy had all the trickery and guile that any player has ever had. His fitness held him back although whether that was down to lifestyle or genetics or a bit of both I don't know. But his ability to get past 4 and 5 players was jaw dropping. We hadn't seen that since jinky nor since McCourt left. His wizardry with a ball was a joy to behold, it really lifted the heart. His was a very special, almost unique, talent and we were lucky to have had him play a part in the club's history. He dazzled , he thrilled, he brought 60,000 fans to their feet in wild admiration many, many times. To say we haven't had a player with the trickery and guile of McCourt - and who can go past 4/5 players - since he left is simply untrue.
Big Tam Rogic can do anything Paddy did - and he does it more frequently over a more sustained period and against bigger teams when it matters.
I know we get all nostalgic about Paddy, but a bit of perspective please.
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19 Jun 2018, 09:30 AM
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Every time we take on trialists I'm always reminded of Ivan De La Pena EDIT! And Amoroso, mind him! Eff sake.
And the Portuguese Dani. Mind we offered Rivaldo a trial as well ha ha ha? Harry Redknapp didn't know whether to play him or eff him
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19 Jun 2018, 09:49 AM
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As previously posted...
"The Left Foot of Paddy McCourt.
And what a foot! Not only can he open a tin of beans with it, he can, with his foot, pour half the contents into a bowl for tomorrow and put it in the fridge. He can paint watercolours with just two toes. With another two toes, he can open safes and make haste with fortunes. His little toe is revered in China and Japan. His foot has crossed mountains and traversed the great rivers of the world. It has broken hearts and started wars. It has left an indelible impression among the remaining cannibal tribes of Papau New Guinea, who refused to eat it, such was its glory and renown. This foot can sing. It can shatter crystal. It can tempt fair maiden. It can bring despots to mend their darkened ways. It can solve the problems of the world. It can soothe the heart of a broken world. This foot is not just any old foot. It is the foot of Patrick James McCourt, son of Derry, Lord of Celtic. It is a magnificent foot.
His right foot is even better."
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19 Jun 2018, 09:51 AM
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I thought Rivaldo went on to play in Greece for Olympiacos and was pretty much their star player for 3 or 4 years?
He was. The others were coming back from bad injuries, prolonged form loss or having not played much. Asking Rivaldo, the best player in the world at one point to trial out is embarrassing and a waste of a very rare opportunity indeed. Obvious major disappointments aside for me not signing Rivaldo was a real sore point from the MON era.
He was still absolute class at Olympiacos, scoring some spectacular goals and his goalscoring record was very good too. Lubo showed age wasn't a barrier to class, Rivaldo would have done so too.
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19 Jun 2018, 09:54 AM
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Well while we are on the subject I don't think any of the posts so far do justice when describing the mesmerising talent of paddy mccourt. The guy had all the trickery and guile that any player has ever had. His fitness held him back although whether that was down to lifestyle or genetics or a bit of both I don't know. But his ability to get past 4 and 5 players was jaw dropping. We hadn't seen that since jinky nor since McCourt left. His wizardry with a ball was a joy to behold, it really lifted the heart. His was a very special, almost unique, talent and we were lucky to have had him play a part in the club's history. He dazzled , he thrilled, he brought 60,000 fans to their feet in wild admiration many, many times.
To say we haven't had a player with the trickery and guile of McCourt - and who can go past 4/5 players - since he left is simply untrue. Big Tam Rogic can do anything Paddy did - and he does it more frequently over a more sustained period and against bigger teams when it matters. I know we get all nostalgic about Paddy, but a bit of perspective please. Both Rogic and Roberts offer the same X factor against packed defences. We definitely suffered when both were injured last season. This is why I think we need to replace Roberts as so many teams in Scotland park the bus against us.
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He was. The others were coming back from bad injuries, prolonged form loss or having not played much. Asking Rivaldo, the best player in the world at one point to trial out is embarrassing and a waste of a very rare opportunity indeed.
Obvious major disappointments aside for me not signing Rivaldo was a real sore point from the MON era. He was still absolute class at Olympiacos, scoring some spectacular goals and his goalscoring record was very good too. Lubo showed age wasn't a barrier to class, Rivaldo would have done so too. EDIT: A quick search shows he was only 32 when he could have signed!
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19 Jun 2018, 10:29 AM
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Obvious major disappointments aside for me not signing Rivaldo was a real sore point from the MON era. He was still absolute class at Olympiacos, scoring some spectacular goals and his goalscoring record was very good too. Lubo showed age wasn't a barrier to class, Rivaldo would have done so too. EDIT: A quick search shows he was only 32 when he could have signed!
It's all about desire though.
I loved Rivaldo, but Lubo was hungry, Rivaldo wasn't...
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19 Jun 2018, 10:29 AM
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Well while we are on the subject I don't think any of the posts so far do justice when describing the mesmerising talent of paddy mccourt. The guy had all the trickery and guile that any player has ever had. His fitness held him back although whether that was down to lifestyle or genetics or a bit of both I don't know. But his ability to get past 4 and 5 players was jaw dropping. We hadn't seen that since jinky nor since McCourt left. His wizardry with a ball was a joy to behold, it really lifted the heart. His was a very special, almost unique, talent and we were lucky to have had him play a part in the club's history. He dazzled , he thrilled, he brought 60,000 fans to their feet in wild admiration many, many times.
To say we haven't had a player with the trickery and guile of McCourt - and who can go past 4/5 players - since he left is simply untrue. Big Tam Rogic can do anything Paddy did - and he does it more frequently over a more sustained period and against bigger teams when it matters. I know we get all nostalgic about Paddy, but a bit of perspective please. https://youtu.be/Dw9H_cePStA
Rogic and McCourt are both known for scoring great goals, but there's not a lot of similarity of style.
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19 Jun 2018, 10:34 AM
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Well while we are on the subject I don't think any of the posts so far do justice when describing the mesmerising talent of paddy mccourt. The guy had all the trickery and guile that any player has ever had. His fitness held him back although whether that was down to lifestyle or genetics or a bit of both I don't know. But his ability to get past 4 and 5 players was jaw dropping. We hadn't seen that since jinky nor since McCourt left. His wizardry with a ball was a joy to behold, it really lifted the heart. His was a very special, almost unique, talent and we were lucky to have had him play a part in the club's history. He dazzled , he thrilled, he brought 60,000 fans to their feet in wild admiration many, many times.
To say we haven't had a player with the trickery and guile of McCourt - and who can go past 4/5 players - since he left is simply untrue. Big Tam Rogic can do anything Paddy did - and he does it more frequently over a more sustained period and against bigger teams when it matters. I know we get all nostalgic about Paddy, but a bit of perspective please. https://youtu.be/Dw9H_cePStARogic and McCourt are both known for scoring great goals, but there's not a lot of similarity of style. Sure - I was more meaning trickery, guile, going past players and creativity than goals scored.
But since you mention it..
Paddy scored 10 goals in 80 SPL appearances for Celtic.
Tam has scored 30 in 133.
[wiki figures]
As I said, Tam Rogic can do anything Paddy did - and he does it more frequently over a more sustained period and against bigger teams when it matters.
I don't even see it as a debate. Paddy was skillful, but he's not half the force that Rogic is.
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https://youtu.be/Dw9H_cePStARogic and McCourt are both known for scoring great goals, but there's not a lot of similarity of style.
Sure - I was more meaning trickery, guile, going past players and creativity than goals scored. But since you mention it.. Paddy scored 10 goals in 80 SPL appearances for Celtic. Tam has scored 30 in 133. [wiki figures] As I said, Tam Rogic can do anything Paddy did - and he does it more frequently over a more sustained period and against bigger teams when it matters. I don't even see it as a debate. Paddy was skillful, but he's not half the force that Rogic is. It could be argued that Rogic has scored the most important goals in each of our last 3 seasons.
I don't remember Paddy scoring many significant goals.
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It's all about desire though. I loved Rivaldo, but Lubo was hungry, Rivaldo wasn't... Two Doubles and another League title, twice best foreign player in Greece suggests he still had plenty motivation. He was great in Olympiacos.
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deep https://youtu.be/Dw9H_cePStARogic and McCourt are both known for scoring great goals, but there's not a lot of similarity of style.
Sure - I was more meaning trickery, guile, going past players and creativity than goals scored. But since you mention it.. Paddy scored 10 goals in 80 SPL appearances for Celtic. Tam has scored 30 in 133. [wiki figures] As I said, Tam Rogic can do anything Paddy did - and he does it more frequently over a more sustained period and against bigger teams when it matters. I don't even see it as a debate. Paddy was skillful, but he's not half the force that Rogic is.
It could be argued that Rogic has scored the most important goals in each of our last 3 seasons. I don't remember Paddy scoring many significant goals. I don't remember even one. Don't think he scored against the huns. I do remember several cameos/wonder goals against lesser teams.
10 goals for Celtic, 'Most Notable' From Celtic wiki:
夫 Falkirk (Sep 2009), 夫 St Mirren (Sep 2009), 夫 St Pauli (friendly, 2010), 夫 Hearts (Sep 2010) 夫 Inv Caledonian Thistle (Aug 2010) 夫 Inv Caledonian Thistle (Nov 2010),
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deep https://youtu.be/Dw9H_cePStA[wiki figures] As I said, Tam Rogic can do anything Paddy did - and he does it more frequently over a more sustained period and against bigger teams when it matters. I don't even see it as a debate. Paddy was skillful, but he's not half the force that Rogic is.
It could be argued that Rogic has scored the most important goals in each of our last 3 seasons. I don't remember Paddy scoring many significant goals.
I don't remember even one. Don't think he scored against the huns. I do remember several cameos/wonder goals against lesser teams. 10 goals for Celtic, 'Most Notable' From Celtic wiki: 夫 Falkirk (Sep 2009), 夫 St Mirren (Sep 2009), 夫 St Pauli (friendly, 2010), 夫 Hearts (Sep 2010) 夫 Inv Caledonian Thistle (Aug 2010) 夫 Inv Caledonian Thistle (Nov 2010), I think one of his goals against Caley was a decider, but it wasn't a massively important game.
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I don't remember even one. Don't think he scored against the huns. I do remember several cameos/wonder goals against lesser teams. 10 goals for Celtic, 'Most Notable' From Celtic wiki: 夫 Falkirk (Sep 2009), 夫 St Mirren (Sep 2009), 夫 St Pauli (friendly, 2010), 夫 Hearts (Sep 2010) 夫 Inv Caledonian Thistle (Aug 2010) 夫 Inv Caledonian Thistle (Nov 2010),
I think one of his goals against Caley was a decider, but it wasn't a massively important game. The one in August against Caley Thistle was the only goal of the game in the first game of the season I think.
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Rogic is miles better than McCourt for eff sake.
And I was a fan of the skill of the latter. Rogic is miles better.
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We in for McCourt aye?
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It's all about desire though. I loved Rivaldo, but Lubo was hungry, Rivaldo wasn't...
Two Doubles and another League title, twice best foreign player in Greece suggests he still had plenty motivation. He was great in Olympiacos. Yes as I said, his record in Greece was very good in addition to a number of spectacular goals. He turned down bigger money from the EPL in favour of regular football because he didn't enjoy not getting that with Milan. He still had the desire, he just took the trial offer as an insult which is understandable IMO - 32 is really not that old and he'd just left Milan, one of Europe's top clubs at that point.
I just think it would have been great to have seen someone of his class in the hoops. If he had played as well as he did for Olympiacos we'd have some highlight reel to look back on. Oh well.
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Rogic is miles better than McCourt for eff sake.
And I was a fan of the skill of the latter. Rogic is miles better.
I fell behind on this thread after a long weekend. Are folk actually suggesting McCourt is better than Rogic
Tom Rogic every single day.
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