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The All New Sevco Back in Yer Bin Thread; Taking out the trash
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Jabba seems to be brainwashing folk.
Seems to be. Loads of media and websites are salavating about Gerrard coming to rangers. No one seems to mention that he has only been a youth team coach for ONE season. And not doing particularly well.
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Sevco would be ideal fodder for an asset stripping hedge fund or similar - wait till distressed pick up for a song divert as much cashflow as possible sell assets - we, for the moment, would cost too much to purchase and Dermot seems happy enough
How much would it cost to buy the huns? How much would they make back by selling what 'assets' are left? Genuine question. The going rate is £1
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Why would Liverpool step into any relationship with a toxic debt ridden bigoted club at the centre of financial shenanigans that are currently in a tailspin? This is the team that dithered on signing Virgil when it was obvious he was a missing link. Can't see them spunking the many mullions necessary to get the rowing boat on an even keel.
Decent question. Short answer is I don't know. I'm just speculating and trying to figure out why Gerrard hasn't already knocked this rumour on its head as he did when he ruled out taking on an English Championship club. I think the answer could be that Liverpool see some value in developing players in the SPFL (not least, because they can now see at first hand that signing Virgil may have helped them to win the Champions League title again) and also because they have a strong negotiating hand to dictate their own terms to a beleaguered Sevco board. Liverpool don't need to form any formal link with the Zombies' board or have any other connection to their business. All they need to do is have an unwritten understanding with Gerrard that they'll cover his back and recommend signings to him. Players from big clubs who have ambitions to get into management constantly cut their teeth at diddy clubs in the hope or expectation that one day they'll take over at the club they support. When Tommy Burns joined Kilmarnock I think we all knew that he was taking the first step towards one day becoming the Celtic boss. Bertie Auld never hid the fact that his managerial ambition was to take charge of Celtic. I'm sure they all had plenty of encouragement and support from some people at the club to prove themselves up to the job. Apart from the boardroom mess, the Huns are hopeless on the football park as well. They need a entirely new team (apart from the goalkeeping position, probably.) Gerrard would have carte blanche to build from scratch. Imagine another Scottish club - say, Aberdeen or Hibs - had had a similar arrangement in the past few years with Manchester City and they were fielding players like Roberts and Denayer every week along with a few other loans and signings that City scouts had recommended. Imagine this club was being managed by a Guardiola protegé who was doing everything according to Pep's coaching manual. I reckon a team like that would put up a pretty good show in the SPFL. It would almost certainly be a better team than what Sevco have got at the moment. For Liverpool to do something like this would only involve a slightly better organised version of what clubs, including us, already do. God knows how many players we've signed over the years only to farm them out to other clubs for the duration of most of their contract. It would actually be more efficient to send them all to one club in, say, Ireland or the English Championship, under the management of somebody like Stevie Clarke and see how they get on, if only there was a way to do this without falling foul of the rules. The Huns are possibly in a position where they're ripe for someone to exploit them this way without making a formal agreement. If Liverpool's board believe, rightly or wrongly, that they can manage an arrangement like this on a nod and a wink, they might be prepared to give it a try. Or, alternatively, they might just keep doing whatever it is they do that makes their European record one of the very best in the business. They certainly seem to get a lot of things right over the years even though - or perhaps because - they've not been afraid to fail from time to time by trying something different. The only and most important flaw with the theory is the liabilities. The Huns have tied up all the dross players on long term contracts. Most will not get same money elsewhere. We had Derk Boerighter whilst they have about 10 of these. They need real unemcumbered cash to,clear the decks and move on. A tenuous link to an EPL team is useless on its own.
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Why would Liverpool step into any relationship with a toxic debt ridden bigoted club at the centre of financial shenanigans that are currently in a tailspin? This is the team that dithered on signing Virgil when it was obvious he was a missing link. Can't see them spunking the many mullions necessary to get the rowing boat on an even keel.
Decent question. Short answer is I don't know. I'm just speculating and trying to figure out why Gerrard hasn't already knocked this rumour on its head as he did when he ruled out taking on an English Championship club. I think the answer could be that Liverpool see some value in developing players in the SPFL (not least, because they can now see at first hand that signing Virgil may have helped them to win the Champions League title again) and also because they have a strong negotiating hand to dictate their own terms to a beleaguered Sevco board. Liverpool don't need to form any formal link with the Zombies' board or have any other connection to their business. All they need to do is have an unwritten understanding with Gerrard that they'll cover his back and recommend signings to him. Players from big clubs who have ambitions to get into management constantly cut their teeth at diddy clubs in the hope or expectation that one day they'll take over at the club they support. When Tommy Burns joined Kilmarnock I think we all knew that he was taking the first step towards one day becoming the Celtic boss. Bertie Auld never hid the fact that his managerial ambition was to take charge of Celtic. I'm sure they all had plenty of encouragement and support from some people at the club to prove themselves up to the job. Apart from the boardroom mess, the Huns are hopeless on the football park as well. They need a entirely new team (apart from the goalkeeping position, probably.) Gerrard would have carte blanche to build from scratch. Imagine another Scottish club - say, Aberdeen or Hibs - had had a similar arrangement in the past few years with Manchester City and they were fielding players like Roberts and Denayer every week along with a few other loans and signings that City scouts had recommended. Imagine this club was being managed by a Guardiola protegé who was doing everything according to Pep's coaching manual. I reckon a team like that would put up a pretty good show in the SPFL. It would almost certainly be a better team than what Sevco have got at the moment. For Liverpool to do something like this would only involve a slightly better organised version of what clubs, including us, already do. God knows how many players we've signed over the years only to farm them out to other clubs for the duration of most of their contract. It would actually be more efficient to send them all to one club in, say, Ireland or the English Championship, under the management of somebody like Stevie Clarke and see how they get on, if only there was a way to do this without falling foul of the rules. The Huns are possibly in a position where they're ripe for someone to exploit them this way without making a formal agreement. If Liverpool's board believe, rightly or wrongly, that they can manage an arrangement like this on a nod and a wink, they might be prepared to give it a try. Or, alternatively, they might just keep doing whatever it is they do that makes their European record one of the very best in the business. They certainly seem to get a lot of things right over the years even though - or perhaps because - they've not been afraid to fail from time to time by trying something different. "... trying to figure out why Gerrard hasn't already knocked this rumour on its head..."
No mystery there. They haven't told him how much money he'll get. Once he gets that information that's when he'll knock this matter on its head
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2 May 2018, 08:54 PM
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I don't honestly know if it's the case and I'm not insisting that it is. It is, however, worth considering and your response is almost the only one I've seen so far which seems to be prepared to do that. Much as I'd like to laugh it off straight away (as I did initially), I'm starting to sense a tone in the mood music which I don't like, mainly because Gerrard himself seems to be seriously thinking this over. So I think to myself, what's in it for him and Liverpool? Looking at it from their point of view, I can see why pretty much taking full control of the football operations in a basket case club in desperate straits would have its attractions, especially since it's an environment where the "British" style of football is more compatible with the English league than would be the case at a continental club. I can see why Liverpool would seriously think about creating a clone club a couple of hundred miles up the road. I really don't see that they would have an awful lot to lose by effectively running a reserve side in a competitive first team league (apart from a few shillings, which EPL clubs have plenty of.) As far as looking at doing something similar in Germany, France, Spain, etc., I don't doubt that they'd consider that too but I don't think there'd be many clubs there that are in the desperate state that the Huns are in, offer a similar packed stadium environment on match days and have culture (for want of a better word  ) of expecting to win trophies regularly. The Huns aren't in a strong negotiating position and Liverpool may be able to dictate a lot of terms and conditions for this arrangement which would not have been the case if someone like Stevie Clarke or Derek McInnes had taken over. All big clubs put players with potential out on loan. We'd not have been half the team over the last few years without loan signings from Man City and PSG. It makes sense for a really big club like Liverpool to take greater control of the coaching and development of their upcoming players by putting lots of them into an environment where they're learning the Liverpool way. Last point; someone else mentioned that there's a limit on the number of players that one club can lend to another and that's true. (I think it's four?) But there are plenty of workarounds for that, including Liverpool scouts encouraging potential targets to sign for the zombies in the first place rather go to the Liverpool academy. We'll see soon enough what happens. All I'm saying is that I can see why Liverpool might see a strategic reason for sending Gerrard north to take over the hollowed-out shell of what used to be Rangers. It's not for the Huns' benefit but for Liverpool's although an undesirable side effect might be that the Huns put together a half decent as a consequence.
This Liverpool who are a club who have a winning mentality ..are they related to the club based in Liverpool who haven’t won their domestic title for nearly thirty years and whose only trophy in the last dozen years is a League Cup On what basis do you think Gerrard to Rangers is remotely a “Liverpool using Rangers as a satellite “...and why would that be remotely attractive to the fan base at Ibrox We’ll leave aside the ludicrous idea that a team consisting of Liverpool under 18/20s would actually be good enough to win the Scottish league They're related to the side that's currently winning a European Cup semi-final 7-3, if that's any help. They know a fair bit about winning European trophies seeing as how they've won eleven of them and are still well in the hunt for a twelfth.
I don't know where you've got the idea from that there would be an age limit of 20 and under for a Sevco side managed by Gerrard. It's certainly not anywhere in the post you're responding to.
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They're going full sevco with this......never go full sevco. Indeed.
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This Liverpool who are a club who have a winning mentality ..are they related to the club based in Liverpool who haven’t won their domestic title for nearly thirty years and whose only trophy in the last dozen years is a League Cup On what basis do you think Gerrard to Rangers is remotely a “Liverpool using Rangers as a satellite “...and why would that be remotely attractive to the fan base at Ibrox We’ll leave aside the ludicrous idea that a team consisting of Liverpool under 18/20s would actually be good enough to win the Scottish league
They're related to the side that's currently winning a European Cup semi-final 7-3, if that's any help.  They know a fair bit about winning European trophies seeing as how they've won eleven of them and are still well in the hunt for a twelfth. I don't know where you've got the idea from that there would be an age limit of 20 and under for a Sevco side managed by Gerrard. It's certainly not anywhere in the post you're responding to. You were serious when you said they were one of the best in the business in Europe?? They won the Champions League and Europa league once each in 30 years.
Even Porto match that.
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It’s all gone quiet on the Arfield front considering it was apparently a done deal. Also no further word on McGregor after that Hull press conference
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Spoiler: click to toggle Decent question. Short answer is I don't know. I'm just speculating and trying to figure out why Gerrard hasn't already knocked this rumour on its head as he did when he ruled out taking on an English Championship club. I think the answer could be that Liverpool see some value in developing players in the SPFL (not least, because they can now see at first hand that signing Virgil may have helped them to win the Champions League title again) and also because they have a strong negotiating hand to dictate their own terms to a beleaguered Sevco board. Liverpool don't need to form any formal link with the Zombies' board or have any other connection to their business. All they need to do is have an unwritten understanding with Gerrard that they'll cover his back and recommend signings to him. Players from big clubs who have ambitions to get into management constantly cut their teeth at diddy clubs in the hope or expectation that one day they'll take over at the club they support. When Tommy Burns joined Kilmarnock I think we all knew that he was taking the first step towards one day becoming the Celtic boss. Bertie Auld never hid the fact that his managerial ambition was to take charge of Celtic. I'm sure they all had plenty of encouragement and support from some people at the club to prove themselves up to the job. Apart from the boardroom mess, the Huns are hopeless on the football park as well. They need a entirely new team (apart from the goalkeeping position, probably.) Gerrard would have carte blanche to build from scratch. Imagine another Scottish club - say, Aberdeen or Hibs - had had a similar arrangement in the past few years with Manchester City and they were fielding players like Roberts and Denayer every week along with a few other loans and signings that City scouts had recommended. Imagine this club was being managed by a Guardiola protegé who was doing everything according to Pep's coaching manual. I reckon a team like that would put up a pretty good show in the SPFL. It would almost certainly be a better team than what Sevco have got at the moment. For Liverpool to do something like this would only involve a slightly better organised version of what clubs, including us, already do. God knows how many players we've signed over the years only to farm them out to other clubs for the duration of most of their contract. It would actually be more efficient to send them all to one club in, say, Ireland or the English Championship, under the management of somebody like Stevie Clarke and see how they get on, if only there was a way to do this without falling foul of the rules. The Huns are possibly in a position where they're ripe for someone to exploit them this way without making a formal agreement. If Liverpool's board believe, rightly or wrongly, that they can manage an arrangement like this on a nod and a wink, they might be prepared to give it a try. Or, alternatively, they might just keep doing whatever it is they do that makes their European record one of the very best in the business. They certainly seem to get a lot of things right over the years even though - or perhaps because - they've not been afraid to fail from time to time by trying something different.
Spoiler: click to toggle "... trying to figure out why Gerrard hasn't already knocked this rumour on its head..." No mystery there. They haven't told him how much money he'll get. Once he gets that information that's when he'll knock this matter on its head I'd like to think so.
Surely to God, though, he must already have taken soundings from people who can mark his card on that score? Not least, Brendan? I find it hard to believe that Gerrard has absolutely no idea of the state of the Huns. He might not realise the full scale of it but he must surely know enough to realise they're utterly toxic?
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They're related to the side that's currently winning a European Cup semi-final 7-3, if that's any help.  They know a fair bit about winning European trophies seeing as how they've won eleven of them and are still well in the hunt for a twelfth. I don't know where you've got the idea from that there would be an age limit of 20 and under for a Sevco side managed by Gerrard. It's certainly not anywhere in the post you're responding to.
You were serious when you said they were one of the best in the business in Europe?? They won the Champions League and Europa league once each in 30 years. Even Porto match that. I'd take their European record over ours any time, thanks very much.
For that matter, I'd take Porto's European record over ours.
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Mark Lawrenson is the latest English pundit to give his uninformed opinion of Scottish Football.
"The big thing is the recruitment," said ex-Liverpool defender Lawrenson.
"If they can get that sorted, and have a real chance of getting very close to Celtic, I think ultimately that is what he thinks he can do."
So how does that fit in with a team with a Director of football in place and sod all money Mark?
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Mark Lawrenson is the latest English pundit to give his uninformed opinion of Scottish Football.
"The big thing is the recruitment," said ex-Liverpool defender Lawrenson.
"If they can get that sorted, and have a real chance of getting very close to Celtic, I think ultimately that is what he thinks he can do."
So how does that fit in with a team with a Director of football in place and sod all money Mark?
He not Irish ?
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Mark Lawrenson is the latest English pundit to give his uninformed opinion of Scottish Football.
"The big thing is the recruitment," said ex-Liverpool defender Lawrenson.
"If they can get that sorted, and have a real chance of getting very close to Celtic, I think ultimately that is what he thinks he can do."
So how does that fit in with a team with a Director of football in place and sod all money Mark?
He not Irish ? plastic paddy like the rest of us.
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You were serious when you said they were one of the best in the business in Europe?? They won the Champions League and Europa league once each in 30 years. Even Porto match that.
I'd take their European record over ours any time, thanks very much. For that matter, I'd take Porto's European record over ours. If we're the benchmark for European results then that doesn't add much credence to your point tbf.
I don't think many teams will say 'aw eff it's Liverpool' when a draw is made.
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It’s all gone quiet on the Arfield front considering it was apparently a done deal. Also no further word on McGregor after that Hull press conference  No surprise to be fair
Well worn tactic going back to the old rangers and the succulent lamb origins..... bad week..then get your friendly local churnalists to write some made up pish to divert attention away from the afore mentioned bad week
I'm only surprise people still fall for it.
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I'd guess that Gerrard will be getting confirmed this Thursday or Friday after he finishes his commitment to EBT Fixed fur ye
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It’s all gone quiet on the Arfield front considering it was apparently a done deal. Also no further word on McGregor after that Hull press conference 
No surprise to be fair Well worn tactic going back to the old rangers and the succulent lamb origins..... bad week..then get your friendly local churnalists to write some made up pish to divert attention away from the afore mentioned bad week I'm only surprise people still fall for it. Why is arfield joining the Huns anyway? Seems like Burnley have had a good season, is he getting game time?
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Deleted , what was the original tweet thanks? In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. Bigly
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The only thing we can be sure of regarding the Gerard to Sevco story is that it'll end in a failure one way or another.
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