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The All New Sevco Back in Yer Bin Thread; Taking out the trash
Topic Started: 29 Apr 2018, 04:24 PM (2,087,058 Views)
VerdeYBlanco
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2 May 2018, 06:33 PM
If any company or individual were ever going to invest in Scottish football as a way to make money or increase their profile, they'd invest in Celtic.

No carrot with the money required to make the huns a money making buisness is going to stump up.
The last thing we want is anyone investing in celtic - investors look to take out more than they put in and in some cases will leave an empty husk, one of the perils of being a PLC
Totally agree, I wasn't suggesting we'd welcome it. We are the one club that any investor would be looking at, though.
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2 May 2018, 08:06 PM
So where have these rumoured investors been for the last decade? Were they waiting for Sevco to turn a profit but decided to bite the bullet seeing as that isn’t going to happen anytime soon?
The only investors coming in are the folk that go to the Close Brothers Fire sale
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If any company or individual were ever going to invest in Scottish football as a way to make money or increase their profile, they'd invest in Celtic.

No carrot with the money required to make the huns a money making buisness is going to stump up.
The last thing we want is anyone investing in celtic - investors look to take out more than they put in and in some cases will leave an empty husk, one of the perils of being a PLC
Totally agree, I wasn't suggesting we'd welcome it. We are the one club that any investor would be looking at, though.
Sevco would be ideal fodder for an asset stripping hedge fund or similar - wait till distressed pick up for a song divert as much cashflow as possible sell assets - we, for the moment, would cost too much to purchase and Dermot seems happy enough
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Totally agree, I wasn't suggesting we'd welcome it. We are the one club that any investor would be looking at, though.
Sevco would be ideal fodder for an asset stripping hedge fund or similar - wait till distressed pick up for a song divert as much cashflow as possible sell assets - we, for the moment, would cost too much to purchase and Dermot seems happy enough
I think they've been through that cycle
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Totally agree, I wasn't suggesting we'd welcome it. We are the one club that any investor would be looking at, though.
Sevco would be ideal fodder for an asset stripping hedge fund or similar - wait till distressed pick up for a song divert as much cashflow as possible sell assets - we, for the moment, would cost too much to purchase and Dermot seems happy enough
How much would it cost to buy the huns? How much would they make back by selling what 'assets' are left?

Genuine question.
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Sevco would be ideal fodder for an asset stripping hedge fund or similar - wait till distressed pick up for a song divert as much cashflow as possible sell assets - we, for the moment, would cost too much to purchase and Dermot seems happy enough
I think they've been through that cycle
Rinse and repeat
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Liverpool Youths can't even win their Youth League.

Have we should tie up with one of the teams above them?
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Sevco would be ideal fodder for an asset stripping hedge fund or similar - wait till distressed pick up for a song divert as much cashflow as possible sell assets - we, for the moment, would cost too much to purchase and Dermot seems happy enough
How much would it cost to buy the huns? How much would they make back by selling what 'assets' are left?

Genuine question.
How many shares are there?

Multiply that by what the shares are worth

shares x eff all per share = eff all

Rounded up to nearest pound

you will then own the holding co of the club which in turn owns the shares of the club
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Sevco would be ideal fodder for an asset stripping hedge fund or similar - wait till distressed pick up for a song divert as much cashflow as possible sell assets - we, for the moment, would cost too much to purchase and Dermot seems happy enough
How much would it cost to buy the huns? How much would they make back by selling what 'assets' are left?

Genuine question.
The directors would want their sunk cash back plus maybe a wee tickle so £25 million should do it. They then need to provide working capital and clear off Close Brothers. Say another £10 million.
And after all of that they still have Andy Halliday and Co. :lol:
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How much would it cost to buy the huns? How much would they make back by selling what 'assets' are left?

Genuine question.
The directors would want their sunk cash back plus maybe a wee tickle so £25 million should do it. They then need to provide working capital and clear off Close Brothers. Say another £10 million.
And after all of that they still have Andy Halliday and Co. :lol:
Not one thin dime :lol:
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Jabba seems to be brainwashing folk. :lol:
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How much would it cost to buy the huns? How much would they make back by selling what 'assets' are left?

Genuine question.
The directors would want their sunk cash back plus maybe a wee tickle so £25 million should do it. They then need to provide working capital and clear off Close Brothers. Say another £10 million.
And after all of that they still have Andy Halliday and Co. :lol:
Sounds a great deal :lol:
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Jabba seems to be brainwashing folk. :lol:
It's almost his day May the 4th be with you. His powers will be at their evil best
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2 May 2018, 08:03 PM
I think he'll take it. If he feels his reputation can survive a hit then it would be worth the experience. But I can't see him do it without some assurances around budgets and spans of control.
Oh, I'm sure he'll be up to his erse in assurances about budgets, spans of control, and anything else he asks for an assurance about.
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2 May 2018, 06:52 PM
who is this mysterious Saudi Prince who is claiming he will bring this Freshness back to Sevco, Sheikh Anvac never heard of him...
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I don't honestly know if it's the case and I'm not insisting that it is. It is, however, worth considering and your response is almost the only one I've seen so far which seems to be prepared to do that. :lol:

Much as I'd like to laugh it off straight away (as I did initially), I'm starting to sense a tone in the mood music which I don't like, mainly because Gerrard himself seems to be seriously thinking this over. So I think to myself, what's in it for him and Liverpool?
Looking at it from their point of view, I can see why pretty much taking full control of the football operations in a basket case club in desperate straits would have its attractions, especially since it's an environment where the "British" style of football is more compatible with the English league than would be the case at a continental club. I can see why Liverpool would seriously think about creating a clone club a couple of hundred miles up the road. I really don't see that they would have an awful lot to lose by effectively running a reserve side in a competitive first team league (apart from a few shillings, which EPL clubs have plenty of.)

As far as looking at doing something similar in Germany, France, Spain, etc., I don't doubt that they'd consider that too but I don't think there'd be many clubs there that are in the desperate state that the Huns are in, offer a similar packed stadium environment on match days and have culture (for want of a better word :lol: ) of expecting to win trophies regularly. The Huns aren't in a strong negotiating position and Liverpool may be able to dictate a lot of terms and conditions for this arrangement which would not have been the case if someone like Stevie Clarke or Derek McInnes had taken over.

All big clubs put players with potential out on loan. We'd not have been half the team over the last few years without loan signings from Man City and PSG. It makes sense for a really big club like Liverpool to take greater control of the coaching and development of their upcoming players by putting lots of them into an environment where they're learning the Liverpool way.

Last point; someone else mentioned that there's a limit on the number of players that one club can lend to another and that's true. (I think it's four?) But there are plenty of workarounds for that, including Liverpool scouts encouraging potential targets to sign for the zombies in the first place rather go to the Liverpool academy.

We'll see soon enough what happens. All I'm saying is that I can see why Liverpool might see a strategic reason for sending Gerrard north to take over the hollowed-out shell of what used to be Rangers. It's not for the Huns' benefit but for Liverpool's although an undesirable side effect might be that the Huns put together a half decent as a consequence.

Why would Liverpool step into any relationship with a toxic debt ridden bigoted club at the centre of financial shenanigans that are currently in a tailspin? This is the team that dithered on signing Virgil when it was obvious he was a missing link. Can't see them spunking the many mullions necessary to get the rowing boat on an even keel.
Decent question. :thumbsup:

Short answer is I don't know. I'm just speculating and trying to figure out why Gerrard hasn't already knocked this rumour on its head as he did when he ruled out taking on an English Championship club. I think the answer could be that Liverpool see some value in developing players in the SPFL (not least, because they can now see at first hand that signing Virgil may have helped them to win the Champions League title again) and also because they have a strong negotiating hand to dictate their own terms to a beleaguered Sevco board.

Liverpool don't need to form any formal link with the Zombies' board or have any other connection to their business. All they need to do is have an unwritten understanding with Gerrard that they'll cover his back and recommend signings to him. Players from big clubs who have ambitions to get into management constantly cut their teeth at diddy clubs in the hope or expectation that one day they'll take over at the club they support. When Tommy Burns joined Kilmarnock I think we all knew that he was taking the first step towards one day becoming the Celtic boss. Bertie Auld never hid the fact that his managerial ambition was to take charge of Celtic. I'm sure they all had plenty of encouragement and support from some people at the club to prove themselves up to the job.

Apart from the boardroom mess, the Huns are hopeless on the football park as well. They need a entirely new team (apart from the goalkeeping position, probably.) Gerrard would have carte blanche to build from scratch. Imagine another Scottish club - say, Aberdeen or Hibs - had had a similar arrangement in the past few years with Manchester City and they were fielding players like Roberts and Denayer every week along with a few other loans and signings that City scouts had recommended. Imagine this club was being managed by a Guardiola protegé who was doing everything according to Pep's coaching manual. I reckon a team like that would put up a pretty good show in the SPFL. It would almost certainly be a better team than what Sevco have got at the moment.

For Liverpool to do something like this would only involve a slightly better organised version of what clubs, including us, already do. God knows how many players we've signed over the years only to farm them out to other clubs for the duration of most of their contract. It would actually be more efficient to send them all to one club in, say, Ireland or the English Championship, under the management of somebody like Stevie Clarke and see how they get on, if only there was a way to do this without falling foul of the rules. The Huns are possibly in a position where they're ripe for someone to exploit them this way without making a formal agreement. If Liverpool's board believe, rightly or wrongly, that they can manage an arrangement like this on a nod and a wink, they might be prepared to give it a try.

Or, alternatively, they might just keep doing whatever it is they do that makes their European record one of the very best in the business. :lol:
They certainly seem to get a lot of things right over the years even though - or perhaps because - they've not been afraid to fail from time to time by trying something different.



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Jabba seems to be brainwashing folk. :lol:
Seems to be.

Loads of media and websites are salavating about Gerrard coming to rangers.

No one seems to mention that he has only been a youth team coach for ONE season.
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