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The All New Sevco Back in Yer Bin Thread; Taking out the trash
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Topic Started: 29 Apr 2018, 04:24 PM (2,087,059 Views)
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Gothamcelt
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2 May 2018, 07:18 PM
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Anyway, I can't believe that Swiss Toni and the other carrot have chosen to eff off that this particular juncture. You'd think they had no money, or something...
Barry Bang had to go because his Hong Kong laundrette must've broken. STV reported that Scott was part of a group that "invested £6.5million in loans".
How the eff is that possible? Surely that's just a loan with interest?
You've either invested it (i.e shares) or you've loaned them money (pay it back).
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2 May 2018, 07:20 PM
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When the story about Gerrard being approached to manage the Huns first surfaced I dismissed it as a desperate measure to try to promote season ticket sales after a morale sapping season which began and ended in abject humiliation with a steady flow of disastrous embarrassments in between.
I'm not so sure now. I think it might be a genuine possibility that Liverpool are considering using the Huns as a feeder club to give playing time and competitive experience to players who can't quite break into a first team which is in with a very good chance of becoming the European champions. It would make perfect sense to have a project like that overseen by someone who knows exactly how Liverpool want their players to develop and fit into the system of their top XI. Farming Gerrard out to a "foreign" football association is a much better and more practical idea than trying the same wheeze with an English Championship side. Furthermore, the demand for a winning mentality that clubs like Liverpool want to see instilled in their players is something that is very much woven into the fabric of the Huns in a way that very few English clubs can even understand, never mind offer. A half decent Huns side, made up of players that Liverpool want to keep an eye on as they develop, would almost certainly be better than all of the other top Scottish teams, bar Celtic. In that respect, there could well be a genuine title race between Celtic and Liverpool's future prospects. It could easily come down to the head-to-heads between us and a vastly improved Scouse Huns team and I wouldn't take anything for granted in that scenario.
It surprises me that this strategy hasn't been used already in Scotland and it's long been an obvious solution for the Huns in particular. It's a pretty massive incentive for a Liverpool FC prospect to prove his worth to the European champions (potentially) by performing week in and week out in packed stadiums while chasing major honours and dealing with the pressure of a demanding support.
I think the suggestion that Gerrard's genuinely interested in managing Sevco actually has legs. Is there not something about owners not allowed to have two teams in European football or something?
I can't remember, but there was some issue with Ashley owning Newcastle and being a majority owner of Rangers for some reason.
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2 May 2018, 07:21 PM
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When the story about Gerrard being approached to manage the Huns first surfaced I dismissed it as a desperate measure to try to promote season ticket sales after a morale sapping season which began and ended in abject humiliation with a steady flow of disastrous embarrassments in between.
I'm not so sure now. I think it might be a genuine possibility that Liverpool are considering using the Huns as a feeder club to give playing time and competitive experience to players who can't quite break into a first team which is in with a very good chance of becoming the European champions. It would make perfect sense to have a project like that overseen by someone who knows exactly how Liverpool want their players to develop and fit into the system of their top XI. Farming Gerrard out to a "foreign" football association is a much better and more practical idea than trying the same wheeze with an English Championship side. Furthermore, the demand for a winning mentality that clubs like Liverpool want to see instilled in their players is something that is very much woven into the fabric of the Huns in a way that very few English clubs can even understand, never mind offer. A half decent Huns side, made up of players that Liverpool want to keep an eye on as they develop, would almost certainly be better than all of the other top Scottish teams, bar Celtic. In that respect, there could well be a genuine title race between Celtic and Liverpool's future prospects. It could easily come down to the head-to-heads between us and a vastly improved Scouse Huns team and I wouldn't take anything for granted in that scenario.
It surprises me that this strategy hasn't been used already in Scotland and it's long been an obvious solution for the Huns in particular. It's a pretty massive incentive for a Liverpool FC prospect to prove his worth to the European champions (potentially) by performing week in and week out in packed stadiums while chasing major honours and dealing with the pressure of a demanding support.
I think the suggestion that Gerrard's genuinely interested in managing Sevco actually has legs.
I pretty much agree with all of that. Except for everything you've just said, that seems entirely plausible.  If Fenway wants to do this surely there's a much cheaper way of doing it? Just put in place the arrangement/relationship Celtic have with Southampton and Man City. No need to lose your top youth coach and risk ten of millions of pounds of assets and also risk your brand image.
If Fenway had a relationship with Sevco or the GLAS then this scenario would have more credence in my view but to invest in a club that you've had no historic links with? Not really buying it.
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2 May 2018, 07:28 PM
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When the story about Gerrard being approached to manage the Huns first surfaced I dismissed it as a desperate measure to try to promote season ticket sales after a morale sapping season which began and ended in abject humiliation with a steady flow of disastrous embarrassments in between.
I'm not so sure now. I think it might be a genuine possibility that Liverpool are considering using the Huns as a feeder club to give playing time and competitive experience to players who can't quite break into a first team which is in with a very good chance of becoming the European champions. It would make perfect sense to have a project like that overseen by someone who knows exactly how Liverpool want their players to develop and fit into the system of their top XI. Farming Gerrard out to a "foreign" football association is a much better and more practical idea than trying the same wheeze with an English Championship side. Furthermore, the demand for a winning mentality that clubs like Liverpool want to see instilled in their players is something that is very much woven into the fabric of the Huns in a way that very few English clubs can even understand, never mind offer. A half decent Huns side, made up of players that Liverpool want to keep an eye on as they develop, would almost certainly be better than all of the other top Scottish teams, bar Celtic. In that respect, there could well be a genuine title race between Celtic and Liverpool's future prospects. It could easily come down to the head-to-heads between us and a vastly improved Scouse Huns team and I wouldn't take anything for granted in that scenario.
It surprises me that this strategy hasn't been used already in Scotland and it's long been an obvious solution for the Huns in particular. It's a pretty massive incentive for a Liverpool FC prospect to prove his worth to the European champions (potentially) by performing week in and week out in packed stadiums while chasing major honours and dealing with the pressure of a demanding support.
I think the suggestion that Gerrard's genuinely interested in managing Sevco actually has legs.
Is there not something about owners not allowed to have two teams in European football or something? I can't remember, but there was some issue with Ashley owning Newcastle and being a majority owner of Rangers for some reason. SFA were complicit in chasing Ashley and capping his investment to under 10%. Made up Hun driven rules I am sure. Shower of corruption that they are
Lest they forget
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/rangers/11447737/SFA-fines-Mike-Ashley-over-breach-of-dual-ownership-roles-with-Rangers-and-Newcastle-United.html
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2 May 2018, 07:29 PM
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5 GCSEs (A-C) So better than average considering he was concentrating on football.
To be fair, Rodney Trotter had similar qualifications. Made me laugh out loud after a rotten day, thanks.
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2 May 2018, 07:35 PM
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When the story about Gerrard being approached to manage the Huns first surfaced I dismissed it as a desperate measure to try to promote season ticket sales after a morale sapping season which began and ended in abject humiliation with a steady flow of disastrous embarrassments in between.
I'm not so sure now. I think it might be a genuine possibility that Liverpool are considering using the Huns as a feeder club to give playing time and competitive experience to players who can't quite break into a first team which is in with a very good chance of becoming the European champions. It would make perfect sense to have a project like that overseen by someone who knows exactly how Liverpool want their players to develop and fit into the system of their top XI. Farming Gerrard out to a "foreign" football association is a much better and more practical idea than trying the same wheeze with an English Championship side. Furthermore, the demand for a winning mentality that clubs like Liverpool want to see instilled in their players is something that is very much woven into the fabric of the Huns in a way that very few English clubs can even understand, never mind offer. A half decent Huns side, made up of players that Liverpool want to keep an eye on as they develop, would almost certainly be better than all of the other top Scottish teams, bar Celtic. In that respect, there could well be a genuine title race between Celtic and Liverpool's future prospects. It could easily come down to the head-to-heads between us and a vastly improved Scouse Huns team and I wouldn't take anything for granted in that scenario.
It surprises me that this strategy hasn't been used already in Scotland and it's long been an obvious solution for the Huns in particular. It's a pretty massive incentive for a Liverpool FC prospect to prove his worth to the European champions (potentially) by performing week in and week out in packed stadiums while chasing major honours and dealing with the pressure of a demanding support.
I think the suggestion that Gerrard's genuinely interested in managing Sevco actually has legs.
Would there be alimit on how many players Liverpool could lend to one club outwith their country/association? 5 was the "precedent" when Ashley loaned sevco those Newcastle players
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2 May 2018, 07:38 PM
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When the story about Gerrard being approached to manage the Huns first surfaced I dismissed it as a desperate measure to try to promote season ticket sales after a morale sapping season which began and ended in abject humiliation with a steady flow of disastrous embarrassments in between.
I'm not so sure now. I think it might be a genuine possibility that Liverpool are considering using the Huns as a feeder club to give playing time and competitive experience to players who can't quite break into a first team which is in with a very good chance of becoming the European champions. It would make perfect sense to have a project like that overseen by someone who knows exactly how Liverpool want their players to develop and fit into the system of their top XI. Farming Gerrard out to a "foreign" football association is a much better and more practical idea than trying the same wheeze with an English Championship side. Furthermore, the demand for a winning mentality that clubs like Liverpool want to see instilled in their players is something that is very much woven into the fabric of the Huns in a way that very few English clubs can even understand, never mind offer. A half decent Huns side, made up of players that Liverpool want to keep an eye on as they develop, would almost certainly be better than all of the other top Scottish teams, bar Celtic. In that respect, there could well be a genuine title race between Celtic and Liverpool's future prospects. It could easily come down to the head-to-heads between us and a vastly improved Scouse Huns team and I wouldn't take anything for granted in that scenario.
It surprises me that this strategy hasn't been used already in Scotland and it's long been an obvious solution for the Huns in particular. It's a pretty massive incentive for a Liverpool FC prospect to prove his worth to the European champions (potentially) by performing week in and week out in packed stadiums while chasing major honours and dealing with the pressure of a demanding support.
I think the suggestion that Gerrard's genuinely interested in managing Sevco actually has legs.
Interesting theory, but I can't see it being the case. The Scottish league is treated with total derision. If they were looking at that sort of set up they'd be looking at France, Germany or Spain. Particularly Germany with Klopp's connections. If they are, it would result in failure for Liverpool. I don't honestly know if it's the case and I'm not insisting that it is. It is, however, worth considering and your response is almost the only one I've seen so far which seems to be prepared to do that.
Much as I'd like to laugh it off straight away (as I did initially), I'm starting to sense a tone in the mood music which I don't like, mainly because Gerrard himself seems to be seriously thinking this over. So I think to myself, what's in it for him and Liverpool? Looking at it from their point of view, I can see why pretty much taking full control of the football operations in a basket case club in desperate straits would have its attractions, especially since it's an environment where the "British" style of football is more compatible with the English league than would be the case at a continental club. I can see why Liverpool would seriously think about creating a clone club a couple of hundred miles up the road. I really don't see that they would have an awful lot to lose by effectively running a reserve side in a competitive first team league (apart from a few shillings, which EPL clubs have plenty of.)
As far as looking at doing something similar in Germany, France, Spain, etc., I don't doubt that they'd consider that too but I don't think there'd be many clubs there that are in the desperate state that the Huns are in, offer a similar packed stadium environment on match days and have culture (for want of a better word ) of expecting to win trophies regularly. The Huns aren't in a strong negotiating position and Liverpool may be able to dictate a lot of terms and conditions for this arrangement which would not have been the case if someone like Stevie Clarke or Derek McInnes had taken over.
All big clubs put players with potential out on loan. We'd not have been half the team over the last few years without loan signings from Man City and PSG. It makes sense for a really big club like Liverpool to take greater control of the coaching and development of their upcoming players by putting lots of them into an environment where they're learning the Liverpool way.
Last point; someone else mentioned that there's a limit on the number of players that one club can lend to another and that's true. (I think it's four?) But there are plenty of workarounds for that, including Liverpool scouts encouraging potential targets to sign for the zombies in the first place rather go to the Liverpool academy.
We'll see soon enough what happens. All I'm saying is that I can see why Liverpool might see a strategic reason for sending Gerrard north to take over the hollowed-out shell of what used to be Rangers. It's not for the Huns' benefit but for Liverpool's although an undesirable side effect might be that the Huns put together a half decent as a consequence.
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2 May 2018, 07:38 PM
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When the story about Gerrard being approached to manage the Huns first surfaced I dismissed it as a desperate measure to try to promote season ticket sales after a morale sapping season which began and ended in abject humiliation with a steady flow of disastrous embarrassments in between.
I'm not so sure now. I think it might be a genuine possibility that Liverpool are considering using the Huns as a feeder club to give playing time and competitive experience to players who can't quite break into a first team which is in with a very good chance of becoming the European champions. It would make perfect sense to have a project like that overseen by someone who knows exactly how Liverpool want their players to develop and fit into the system of their top XI. Farming Gerrard out to a "foreign" football association is a much better and more practical idea than trying the same wheeze with an English Championship side. Furthermore, the demand for a winning mentality that clubs like Liverpool want to see instilled in their players is something that is very much woven into the fabric of the Huns in a way that very few English clubs can even understand, never mind offer. A half decent Huns side, made up of players that Liverpool want to keep an eye on as they develop, would almost certainly be better than all of the other top Scottish teams, bar Celtic. In that respect, there could well be a genuine title race between Celtic and Liverpool's future prospects. It could easily come down to the head-to-heads between us and a vastly improved Scouse Huns team and I wouldn't take anything for granted in that scenario.
It surprises me that this strategy hasn't been used already in Scotland and it's long been an obvious solution for the Huns in particular. It's a pretty massive incentive for a Liverpool FC prospect to prove his worth to the European champions (potentially) by performing week in and week out in packed stadiums while chasing major honours and dealing with the pressure of a demanding support.
I think the suggestion that Gerrard's genuinely interested in managing Sevco actually has legs. FFS!
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2 May 2018, 07:39 PM
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When the story about Gerrard being approached to manage the Huns first surfaced I dismissed it as a desperate measure to try to promote season ticket sales after a morale sapping season which began and ended in abject humiliation with a steady flow of disastrous embarrassments in between.
I'm not so sure now. I think it might be a genuine possibility that Liverpool are considering using the Huns as a feeder club to give playing time and competitive experience to players who can't quite break into a first team which is in with a very good chance of becoming the European champions. It would make perfect sense to have a project like that overseen by someone who knows exactly how Liverpool want their players to develop and fit into the system of their top XI. Farming Gerrard out to a "foreign" football association is a much better and more practical idea than trying the same wheeze with an English Championship side. Furthermore, the demand for a winning mentality that clubs like Liverpool want to see instilled in their players is something that is very much woven into the fabric of the Huns in a way that very few English clubs can even understand, never mind offer. A half decent Huns side, made up of players that Liverpool want to keep an eye on as they develop, would almost certainly be better than all of the other top Scottish teams, bar Celtic. In that respect, there could well be a genuine title race between Celtic and Liverpool's future prospects. It could easily come down to the head-to-heads between us and a vastly improved Scouse Huns team and I wouldn't take anything for granted in that scenario.
It surprises me that this strategy hasn't been used already in Scotland and it's long been an obvious solution for the Huns in particular. It's a pretty massive incentive for a Liverpool FC prospect to prove his worth to the European champions (potentially) by performing week in and week out in packed stadiums while chasing major honours and dealing with the pressure of a demanding support.
I think the suggestion that Gerrard's genuinely interested in managing Sevco actually has legs. Was good up to the 'chasing honours' bit. 🤣😂🤣
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2 May 2018, 07:39 PM
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When the story about Gerrard being approached to manage the Huns first surfaced I dismissed it as a desperate measure to try to promote season ticket sales after a morale sapping season which began and ended in abject humiliation with a steady flow of disastrous embarrassments in between.
I'm not so sure now. I think it might be a genuine possibility that Liverpool are considering using the Huns as a feeder club to give playing time and competitive experience to players who can't quite break into a first team which is in with a very good chance of becoming the European champions. It would make perfect sense to have a project like that overseen by someone who knows exactly how Liverpool want their players to develop and fit into the system of their top XI. Farming Gerrard out to a "foreign" football association is a much better and more practical idea than trying the same wheeze with an English Championship side. Furthermore, the demand for a winning mentality that clubs like Liverpool want to see instilled in their players is something that is very much woven into the fabric of the Huns in a way that very few English clubs can even understand, never mind offer. A half decent Huns side, made up of players that Liverpool want to keep an eye on as they develop, would almost certainly be better than all of the other top Scottish teams, bar Celtic. In that respect, there could well be a genuine title race between Celtic and Liverpool's future prospects. It could easily come down to the head-to-heads between us and a vastly improved Scouse Huns team and I wouldn't take anything for granted in that scenario.
It surprises me that this strategy hasn't been used already in Scotland and it's long been an obvious solution for the Huns in particular. It's a pretty massive incentive for a Liverpool FC prospect to prove his worth to the European champions (potentially) by performing week in and week out in packed stadiums while chasing major honours and dealing with the pressure of a demanding support.
I think the suggestion that Gerrard's genuinely interested in managing Sevco actually has legs.
Would there be alimit on how many players Liverpool could lend to one club outwith their country/association?
5 was the "precedent" when Ashley loaned sevco those Newcastle players The English Premiership have this criteria for loans (or temporary transfers) but they have this listed "With the exception of Welsh clubs competing in the competitions listed under Rule V.6.2, loans from a club in membership of another National Association do not count towards the above quotas". The SPFL may have the same criteria so it would be possible to a have half of the Liverpool under 18's playing in the SPFL?
Spoiler: click to toggle Loans between Premier Leage clubs and other English counterparts are officially called temporary transfers. Under the rules in the Premier League Handbook 2017/18 (Download PDF, size: 46.1MB), there are restrictions on how many players Premier League clubs can loan from other Premier League/English clubs. They are: - Premier League clubs may not register more than two players on loan at any one time. - The maximum number of loans registrable in the same season is four, and, under no circumstances, shall more than one be from the same club at any one time. - Premier League clubs cannot loan to another Premier League club a player they have acquired in the same transfer window. - A Premier League club may loan not more than one of its goalkeepers to another Premier League club With the exception of Welsh clubs competing in the competitions listed under Rule V.6.2, loans from a club in membership of another National Association do not count towards the above quotas. https://www.premierleague.com/news/464747
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2 May 2018, 07:40 PM
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When the story about Gerrard being approached to manage the Huns first surfaced I dismissed it as a desperate measure to try to promote season ticket sales after a morale sapping season which began and ended in abject humiliation with a steady flow of disastrous embarrassments in between.
I'm not so sure now. I think it might be a genuine possibility that Liverpool are considering using the Huns as a feeder club to give playing time and competitive experience to players who can't quite break into a first team which is in with a very good chance of becoming the European champions. It would make perfect sense to have a project like that overseen by someone who knows exactly how Liverpool want their players to develop and fit into the system of their top XI. Farming Gerrard out to a "foreign" football association is a much better and more practical idea than trying the same wheeze with an English Championship side. Furthermore, the demand for a winning mentality that clubs like Liverpool want to see instilled in their players is something that is very much woven into the fabric of the Huns in a way that very few English clubs can even understand, never mind offer. A half decent Huns side, made up of players that Liverpool want to keep an eye on as they develop, would almost certainly be better than all of the other top Scottish teams, bar Celtic. In that respect, there could well be a genuine title race between Celtic and Liverpool's future prospects. It could easily come down to the head-to-heads between us and a vastly improved Scouse Huns team and I wouldn't take anything for granted in that scenario.
It surprises me that this strategy hasn't been used already in Scotland and it's long been an obvious solution for the Huns in particular. It's a pretty massive incentive for a Liverpool FC prospect to prove his worth to the European champions (potentially) by performing week in and week out in packed stadiums while chasing major honours and dealing with the pressure of a demanding support.
I think the suggestion that Gerrard's genuinely interested in managing Sevco actually has legs.  FFS! Is that your best debating point?
Pathetic and unworthy of you.
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2 May 2018, 07:45 PM
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When the story about Gerrard being approached to manage the Huns first surfaced I dismissed it as a desperate measure to try to promote season ticket sales after a morale sapping season which began and ended in abject humiliation with a steady flow of disastrous embarrassments in between.
I'm not so sure now. I think it might be a genuine possibility that Liverpool are considering using the Huns as a feeder club to give playing time and competitive experience to players who can't quite break into a first team which is in with a very good chance of becoming the European champions. It would make perfect sense to have a project like that overseen by someone who knows exactly how Liverpool want their players to develop and fit into the system of their top XI. Farming Gerrard out to a "foreign" football association is a much better and more practical idea than trying the same wheeze with an English Championship side. Furthermore, the demand for a winning mentality that clubs like Liverpool want to see instilled in their players is something that is very much woven into the fabric of the Huns in a way that very few English clubs can even understand, never mind offer. A half decent Huns side, made up of players that Liverpool want to keep an eye on as they develop, would almost certainly be better than all of the other top Scottish teams, bar Celtic. In that respect, there could well be a genuine title race between Celtic and Liverpool's future prospects. It could easily come down to the head-to-heads between us and a vastly improved Scouse Huns team and I wouldn't take anything for granted in that scenario.
It surprises me that this strategy hasn't been used already in Scotland and it's long been an obvious solution for the Huns in particular. It's a pretty massive incentive for a Liverpool FC prospect to prove his worth to the European champions (potentially) by performing week in and week out in packed stadiums while chasing major honours and dealing with the pressure of a demanding support.
I think the suggestion that Gerrard's genuinely interested in managing Sevco actually has legs.
Interesting theory, but I can't see it being the case. The Scottish league is treated with total derision. If they were looking at that sort of set up they'd be looking at France, Germany or Spain. Particularly Germany with Klopp's connections. If they are, it would result in failure for Liverpool.
I don't honestly know if it's the case and I'm not insisting that it is. It is, however, worth considering and your response is almost the only one I've seen so far which seems to be prepared to do that. Much as I'd like to laugh it off straight away (as I did initially), I'm starting to sense a tone in the mood music which I don't like, mainly because Gerrard himself seems to be seriously thinking this over. So I think to myself, what's in it for him and Liverpool? Looking at it from their point of view, I can see why pretty much taking full control of the football operations in a basket case club in desperate straits would have its attractions, especially since it's an environment where the "British" style of football is more compatible with the English league than would be the case at a continental club. I can see why Liverpool would seriously think about creating a clone club a couple of hundred miles up the road. I really don't see that they would have an awful lot to lose by effectively running a reserve side in a competitive first team league (apart from a few shillings, which EPL clubs have plenty of.) As far as looking at doing something similar in Germany, France, Spain, etc., I don't doubt that they'd consider that too but I don't think there'd be many clubs there that are in the desperate state that the Huns are in, offer a similar packed stadium environment on match days and have culture (for want of a better word  ) of expecting to win trophies regularly. The Huns aren't in a strong negotiating position and Liverpool may be able to dictate a lot of terms and conditions for this arrangement which would not have been the case if someone like Stevie Clarke or Derek McInnes had taken over. All big clubs put players with potential out on loan. We'd not have been half the team over the last few years without loan signings from Man City and PSG. It makes sense for a really big club like Liverpool to take greater control of the coaching and development of their upcoming players by putting lots of them into an environment where they're learning the Liverpool way. Last point; someone else mentioned that there's a limit on the number of players that one club can lend to another and that's true. (I think it's four?) But there are plenty of workarounds for that, including Liverpool scouts encouraging potential targets to sign for the zombies in the first place rather go to the Liverpool academy. We'll see soon enough what happens. All I'm saying is that I can see why Liverpool might see a strategic reason for sending Gerrard north to take over the hollowed-out shell of what used to be Rangers. It's not for the Huns' benefit but for Liverpool's although an undesirable side effect might be that the Huns put together a half decent as a consequence. Why would Liverpool step into any relationship with a toxic debt ridden bigoted club at the centre of financial shenanigans that are currently in a tailspin? This is the team that dithered on signing Virgil when it was obvious he was a missing link. Can't see them spunking the many mullions necessary to get the rowing boat on an even keel.
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When the story about Gerrard being approached to manage the Huns first surfaced I dismissed it as a desperate measure to try to promote season ticket sales after a morale sapping season which began and ended in abject humiliation with a steady flow of disastrous embarrassments in between.
I'm not so sure now. I think it might be a genuine possibility that Liverpool are considering using the Huns as a feeder club to give playing time and competitive experience to players who can't quite break into a first team which is in with a very good chance of becoming the European champions. It would make perfect sense to have a project like that overseen by someone who knows exactly how Liverpool want their players to develop and fit into the system of their top XI. Farming Gerrard out to a "foreign" football association is a much better and more practical idea than trying the same wheeze with an English Championship side. Furthermore, the demand for a winning mentality that clubs like Liverpool want to see instilled in their players is something that is very much woven into the fabric of the Huns in a way that very few English clubs can even understand, never mind offer. A half decent Huns side, made up of players that Liverpool want to keep an eye on as they develop, would almost certainly be better than all of the other top Scottish teams, bar Celtic. In that respect, there could well be a genuine title race between Celtic and Liverpool's future prospects. It could easily come down to the head-to-heads between us and a vastly improved Scouse Huns team and I wouldn't take anything for granted in that scenario.
It surprises me that this strategy hasn't been used already in Scotland and it's long been an obvious solution for the Huns in particular. It's a pretty massive incentive for a Liverpool FC prospect to prove his worth to the European champions (potentially) by performing week in and week out in packed stadiums while chasing major honours and dealing with the pressure of a demanding support.
I think the suggestion that Gerrard's genuinely interested in managing Sevco actually has legs.  FFS!
Is that your best debating point? Pathetic and unworthy of you. I was going to go through it point by point but, really, life's too short to debate absurdity.
Your post is unworthy of you. No offence meant.
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2 May 2018, 07:48 PM
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When the story about Gerrard being approached to manage the Huns first surfaced I dismissed it as a desperate measure to try to promote season ticket sales after a morale sapping season which began and ended in abject humiliation with a steady flow of disastrous embarrassments in between.
I'm not so sure now. I think it might be a genuine possibility that Liverpool are considering using the Huns as a feeder club to give playing time and competitive experience to players who can't quite break into a first team which is in with a very good chance of becoming the European champions. It would make perfect sense to have a project like that overseen by someone who knows exactly how Liverpool want their players to develop and fit into the system of their top XI. Farming Gerrard out to a "foreign" football association is a much better and more practical idea than trying the same wheeze with an English Championship side. Furthermore, the demand for a winning mentality that clubs like Liverpool want to see instilled in their players is something that is very much woven into the fabric of the Huns in a way that very few English clubs can even understand, never mind offer. A half decent Huns side, made up of players that Liverpool want to keep an eye on as they develop, would almost certainly be better than all of the other top Scottish teams, bar Celtic. In that respect, there could well be a genuine title race between Celtic and Liverpool's future prospects. It could easily come down to the head-to-heads between us and a vastly improved Scouse Huns team and I wouldn't take anything for granted in that scenario.
It surprises me that this strategy hasn't been used already in Scotland and it's long been an obvious solution for the Huns in particular. It's a pretty massive incentive for a Liverpool FC prospect to prove his worth to the European champions (potentially) by performing week in and week out in packed stadiums while chasing major honours and dealing with the pressure of a demanding support.
I think the suggestion that Gerrard's genuinely interested in managing Sevco actually has legs.
Interesting theory, but I can't see it being the case. The Scottish league is treated with total derision. If they were looking at that sort of set up they'd be looking at France, Germany or Spain. Particularly Germany with Klopp's connections. If they are, it would result in failure for Liverpool.
I don't honestly know if it's the case and I'm not insisting that it is. It is, however, worth considering and your response is almost the only one I've seen so far which seems to be prepared to do that. Much as I'd like to laugh it off straight away (as I did initially), I'm starting to sense a tone in the mood music which I don't like, mainly because Gerrard himself seems to be seriously thinking this over. So I think to myself, what's in it for him and Liverpool? Looking at it from their point of view, I can see why pretty much taking full control of the football operations in a basket case club in desperate straits would have its attractions, especially since it's an environment where the "British" style of football is more compatible with the English league than would be the case at a continental club. I can see why Liverpool would seriously think about creating a clone club a couple of hundred miles up the road. I really don't see that they would have an awful lot to lose by effectively running a reserve side in a competitive first team league (apart from a few shillings, which EPL clubs have plenty of.) As far as looking at doing something similar in Germany, France, Spain, etc., I don't doubt that they'd consider that too but I don't think there'd be many clubs there that are in the desperate state that the Huns are in, offer a similar packed stadium environment on match days and have culture (for want of a better word  ) of expecting to win trophies regularly. The Huns aren't in a strong negotiating position and Liverpool may be able to dictate a lot of terms and conditions for this arrangement which would not have been the case if someone like Stevie Clarke or Derek McInnes had taken over. All big clubs put players with potential out on loan. We'd not have been half the team over the last few years without loan signings from Man City and PSG. It makes sense for a really big club like Liverpool to take greater control of the coaching and development of their upcoming players by putting lots of them into an environment where they're learning the Liverpool way. Last point; someone else mentioned that there's a limit on the number of players that one club can lend to another and that's true. (I think it's four?) But there are plenty of workarounds for that, including Liverpool scouts encouraging potential targets to sign for the zombies in the first place rather go to the Liverpool academy. We'll see soon enough what happens. All I'm saying is that I can see why Liverpool might see a strategic reason for sending Gerrard north to take over the hollowed-out shell of what used to be Rangers. It's not for the Huns' benefit but for Liverpool's although an undesirable side effect might be that the Huns put together a half decent as a consequence. Bigkev has already asked my question.
There must be countless alternative teams where this could be done with much less hassle and bad publicity - thinking back to Florida in January.
It's a decent strategy. Just not in Scotland and the huns in particular.
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2 May 2018, 08:00 PM
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When the story about Gerrard being approached to manage the Huns first surfaced I dismissed it as a desperate measure to try to promote season ticket sales after a morale sapping season which began and ended in abject humiliation with a steady flow of disastrous embarrassments in between.
I'm not so sure now. I think it might be a genuine possibility that Liverpool are considering using the Huns as a feeder club to give playing time and competitive experience to players who can't quite break into a first team which is in with a very good chance of becoming the European champions. It would make perfect sense to have a project like that overseen by someone who knows exactly how Liverpool want their players to develop and fit into the system of their top XI. Farming Gerrard out to a "foreign" football association is a much better and more practical idea than trying the same wheeze with an English Championship side. Furthermore, the demand for a winning mentality that clubs like Liverpool want to see instilled in their players is something that is very much woven into the fabric of the Huns in a way that very few English clubs can even understand, never mind offer. A half decent Huns side, made up of players that Liverpool want to keep an eye on as they develop, would almost certainly be better than all of the other top Scottish teams, bar Celtic. In that respect, there could well be a genuine title race between Celtic and Liverpool's future prospects. It could easily come down to the head-to-heads between us and a vastly improved Scouse Huns team and I wouldn't take anything for granted in that scenario.
It surprises me that this strategy hasn't been used already in Scotland and it's long been an obvious solution for the Huns in particular. It's a pretty massive incentive for a Liverpool FC prospect to prove his worth to the European champions (potentially) by performing week in and week out in packed stadiums while chasing major honours and dealing with the pressure of a demanding support.
I think the suggestion that Gerrard's genuinely interested in managing Sevco actually has legs. NURSE! NURSE!
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I think he'll take it. If he feels his reputation can survive a hit then it would be worth the experience. But I can't see him do it without some assurances around budgets and spans of control.
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If any company or individual were ever going to invest in Scottish football as a way to make money or increase their profile, they'd invest in Celtic.
No carrot with the money required to make the huns a money making buisness is going to stump up. The last thing we want is anyone investing in celtic - investors look to take out more than they put in and in some cases will leave an empty husk, one of the perils of being a PLC
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When the story about Gerrard being approached to manage the Huns first surfaced I dismissed it as a desperate measure to try to promote season ticket sales after a morale sapping season which began and ended in abject humiliation with a steady flow of disastrous embarrassments in between.
I'm not so sure now. I think it might be a genuine possibility that Liverpool are considering using the Huns as a feeder club to give playing time and competitive experience to players who can't quite break into a first team which is in with a very good chance of becoming the European champions. It would make perfect sense to have a project like that overseen by someone who knows exactly how Liverpool want their players to develop and fit into the system of their top XI. Farming Gerrard out to a "foreign" football association is a much better and more practical idea than trying the same wheeze with an English Championship side. Furthermore, the demand for a winning mentality that clubs like Liverpool want to see instilled in their players is something that is very much woven into the fabric of the Huns in a way that very few English clubs can even understand, never mind offer. A half decent Huns side, made up of players that Liverpool want to keep an eye on as they develop, would almost certainly be better than all of the other top Scottish teams, bar Celtic. In that respect, there could well be a genuine title race between Celtic and Liverpool's future prospects. It could easily come down to the head-to-heads between us and a vastly improved Scouse Huns team and I wouldn't take anything for granted in that scenario.
It surprises me that this strategy hasn't been used already in Scotland and it's long been an obvious solution for the Huns in particular. It's a pretty massive incentive for a Liverpool FC prospect to prove his worth to the European champions (potentially) by performing week in and week out in packed stadiums while chasing major honours and dealing with the pressure of a demanding support.
I think the suggestion that Gerrard's genuinely interested in managing Sevco actually has legs.
Interesting theory, but I can't see it being the case. The Scottish league is treated with total derision. If they were looking at that sort of set up they'd be looking at France, Germany or Spain. Particularly Germany with Klopp's connections. If they are, it would result in failure for Liverpool.
I don't honestly know if it's the case and I'm not insisting that it is. It is, however, worth considering and your response is almost the only one I've seen so far which seems to be prepared to do that. Much as I'd like to laugh it off straight away (as I did initially), I'm starting to sense a tone in the mood music which I don't like, mainly because Gerrard himself seems to be seriously thinking this over. So I think to myself, what's in it for him and Liverpool? Looking at it from their point of view, I can see why pretty much taking full control of the football operations in a basket case club in desperate straits would have its attractions, especially since it's an environment where the "British" style of football is more compatible with the English league than would be the case at a continental club. I can see why Liverpool would seriously think about creating a clone club a couple of hundred miles up the road. I really don't see that they would have an awful lot to lose by effectively running a reserve side in a competitive first team league (apart from a few shillings, which EPL clubs have plenty of.) As far as looking at doing something similar in Germany, France, Spain, etc., I don't doubt that they'd consider that too but I don't think there'd be many clubs there that are in the desperate state that the Huns are in, offer a similar packed stadium environment on match days and have culture (for want of a better word  ) of expecting to win trophies regularly. The Huns aren't in a strong negotiating position and Liverpool may be able to dictate a lot of terms and conditions for this arrangement which would not have been the case if someone like Stevie Clarke or Derek McInnes had taken over. All big clubs put players with potential out on loan. We'd not have been half the team over the last few years without loan signings from Man City and PSG. It makes sense for a really big club like Liverpool to take greater control of the coaching and development of their upcoming players by putting lots of them into an environment where they're learning the Liverpool way. Last point; someone else mentioned that there's a limit on the number of players that one club can lend to another and that's true. (I think it's four?) But there are plenty of workarounds for that, including Liverpool scouts encouraging potential targets to sign for the zombies in the first place rather go to the Liverpool academy. We'll see soon enough what happens. All I'm saying is that I can see why Liverpool might see a strategic reason for sending Gerrard north to take over the hollowed-out shell of what used to be Rangers. It's not for the Huns' benefit but for Liverpool's although an undesirable side effect might be that the Huns put together a half decent as a consequence. This Liverpool who are a club who have a winning mentality ..are they related to the club based in Liverpool who haven’t won their domestic title for nearly thirty years and whose only trophy in the last dozen years is a League Cup
On what basis do you think Gerrard to Rangers is remotely a “Liverpool using Rangers as a satellite “...and why would that be remotely attractive to the fan base at Ibrox
We’ll leave aside the ludicrous idea that a team consisting of Liverpool under 18/20s would actually be good enough to win the Scottish league
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So where have these rumoured investors been for the last decade? Were they waiting for Sevco to turn a profit but decided to bite the bullet seeing as that isn’t going to happen anytime soon?
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 Please let sevco spend money on signing 30-something Charlie Adam for a triumphant return under Steven "Stevie Steve" Stephen G. Gerrardo. - Quote:
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Adam, who has only featured in 11 league games for Stoke this season as they battle relegation from the Premier League, admits he wouldn't be averse to a return to Rangers.
"We are in a relegation battle at the moment," he added. "My future will be sorted in the summer, and we will see what happens.
"I am never going to rule it out. It is the club I started at. They say 'never go back' but as a former player, it hurts to see Celtic dominating so much.
"You never know what is around the corner in this game."
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/43957112 Mr Gerrard !!
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