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The All New Sevco Back in Yer Bin Thread; Taking out the trash
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Topic Started: 29 Apr 2018, 04:24 PM (2,087,073 Views)
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dmk1970
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1 May 2018, 11:38 PM
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I was at the PFA on Sunday night and spoke to a few people with a bit of inside info on this. Allegedly the Hun board (without King) approached Stevie Clarke who knocked them back meantime King on his own has chased the Gerard move, so they are already split on this.
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1 May 2018, 11:41 PM
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- 1 May 2018, 11:38 PM
I was at the PFA on Sunday night and spoke to a few people with a bit of inside info on this. Allegedly the Hun board (without King) approached Stevie Clarke who knocked them back meantime King on his own has chased the Gerard move, so they are already split on this.
That’s been common knowledge for a while.
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1 May 2018, 11:54 PM
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- 1 May 2018, 05:15 PM
Genuine question; is King a certified sociopath?
He must have told Gerrard some kind of lie about how much budget there is to work with. There's no sensible reason for SG to mull over the situation unless he's been told a lie about that budget and he's now trying to dig a little deeper to get to the truth.
Being a sociopath is the only way you can explain King's brazen lying about budgets (and everything else) in the face of all evidence suggesting the opposite of what he says.
No normal person would be able to maintain a straight face when telling such a massive lie, especially one that is going to be under public scrutiny.
There’s at least one who could, and does. The President of the United States.
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1 May 2018, 11:57 PM
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KING: Stevie have you heard of Close Bros, well I owe them a rather large wedge, how about we string the gullible along for a few days/weeks so we can empty them again with season ticket money and I'll buy you a drink.
STEVIE G: How big is the drink?
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1 May 2018, 11:58 PM
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These boots were made for hunbustin'
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Barry Ferguson must be wondering what he has do for while he awaits the call.
He's staunch, loyal and true, captain at the height of the tax haven years, been the caretaker at Blackpool and manager at Clyde, as well as providing a compelling insight his old club's lamentable situation while harking back to his own his toilet-heidering glory days. And a former Cowdenbeath manager is keeping the seat warm for a supposed Celtic fan whose never managed a professional game in his life.
He deserves better!
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2 May 2018, 12:21 AM
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Add Dennis Wise to the list of nomark ex pros talking complete bollocks about the huns, clueless wee pumpkin
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2 May 2018, 12:31 AM
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- 1 May 2018, 08:08 PM
I wouldn’t e surprised if he takes it based on bt sports and it will be a disaster. Although he won’t get what he’s promised he will get way more than they can afford. They will go all in on an under 18 coach up against a vastly superior team who even if sevco spend way more than they can afford can spend more without it making a dent in cash flow
Isn’t Gerrard a bit thick as well? Always comes across as a bit dense. 5 GCSEs (A-C)
So better than average considering he was concentrating on football.
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2 May 2018, 12:38 AM
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Anybody interested in grabbing a couple of burgers and hittin' the cemetery?
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Add Dennis Wise to the list of nomark ex pros talking complete bollocks about the huns, clueless wee pumpkin Alan Shearer... Dennis Wise... who's next, Jonathan Woodgate?
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2 May 2018, 12:50 AM
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- 1 May 2018, 07:32 PM
Could it be that SG has been promised a wedge from King to say that he is interested in the job and to string it out until a certain amount of St's have been sold and then it comes out that SG has knocked them back for some obscure reason that doesn't put rangers in a bad light...end result the fans still think that it is possible that a "name" would be willing to come to their club and back them once again and SG gets a lump of dosh for allowing his name to sell papers and ST's??
I maintain that King caught wind of the exit of the Liverpool assistant and knew he could get legs from claiming Gerrard was interested when he is inevitably going to be Klopp's No2. Talks will resume on Thursday, get strung out at the start of next week and then end of the week it will be announced a decision will be made on Monday - after the ST deadline - and then shockingly Gerrard will announce no as he is going to work under Klopp. Europa League 1st Round prelim qualifier is on the same night as England's last WC group game… He'll not be missing his punditry role to be sat on the bench at some communal park pitch in Latvia. What does the season ticket deadline matter to fans unless there is a sellout? Or is there an early bird discount?
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2 May 2018, 12:56 AM
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You want equality? Consider if that person feels Equal.
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As usual, a thoughtful and informative post by Barcabhoy. He's made it on TSFM. Unfortunately I can't get a link for the post itself, but it's currently the last one on the current blog. Maybe someone can help and post it for others, please.
in anticipation.
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The financial gap between Celtic and Rangers isn’t something that can be filled by investors . The numbers are so vast only a benefactor , who is prepared to write off their gifts , could provide a level platform
Based on the audited accounts of both to June 2017 the scale of the challenge for Rangers is very clear. In addition the financial year to June 2018 will show a very significantly increased gap, as Celtic grow revenues, whilst receiving a 2nd half year boost to profitability from the Van Djik sell on fee.
Rangers meanwhile made disastrous decisions on recruitment which has increased costs and asset purchase for no benefit whatsoever
Celtic in 2017 had a revenue which is 3.1 times higher than Rangers. That gives Celtic an extra £61M a year to spend. Celtic bring in £16 Million a year more than Rangers in gate receipts and hospitality. With Rangers already at maximum season ticket sales , there is no prospect of Celtic not maintaining a significant advantage
Celtic bring in £31 Million a year more than Rangers in the Broadcast and commercial area. Much of this is Champions League payments, which Celtic will have exclusive opportunity to access again for 2018-19
Celtic have mature well defined multiple channels for merchandising. They also have the benefit that success brings to this category. Rangers by contrast have D list kit suppliers , fans groups competing for the blue pound and no mature channel operation
What is required to compete
A manager of similar ability to Brendan Rodgers
A squad with a starting XI who could get a game for Celtic
That means spending at least an extra £1 M a year on a manager , and even then you need to get lucky
It means signing 11 new players . With an average wage of £1 million a year each and a transfer budget of £25 Million
So you need to increase wages by at least £12 million a year and fund a £25 million transfer budget . Given the wages need to be covered for 3 years , someone needs to commit to a circa £60 Million cash injection and that’s before funding the existing shortfall
With no guarantee , or even a realistic possibility, of a return.
That’s why INVESTORS aren’t the solution. The return on investment potential is negligible. Far more likely that you lose it all. The risk factor will deter any serious investor. RIFC have had 5 years of losing money and failing to meet shareholders expectations . Rangers need a benefactor. The problem is they have needed one for well over a decade and no such individual has appeared. 2018-19 at best might bring in EL group revenue of possibly £7 million . Therefore if Rangers get in a top class manager and spend as outlined the best they could hope for would be a £17 million loss to the year ended June 2019. However fail to make the EL Group stage and the loss could be well over £20 million. The notion that you can fund the required spend by selling existing squad players is absurd. If they don’t win the league at the new managers first attempt then they face the same losses for the following year. No responsible board could contemplate that risk without the cash to cover it being IN PLACE , not based on a promise or a PR stunt.
Even if , and it’s the remotest of possibilities , somebody out there is prepared to launch £60 M at Rangers, the reality is that wouldn’t get them as good a squad as Celtic or as good a manager. There is more than ample historic, current and publicly available data for anyone to come to the same financial conclusions i’ve reached here.
The problem for Rangers is that their fans, or many of them, think instant success is possible. They think it’s just a matter of “someone” providing the cash. The bigger problem for Rangers is that even if the “cold day in hell “ event occurs and they get hold of a huge gift of cash, Celtic are so well resourced that they could easily put themselves well beyond Rangers once again The reality is that a far better plan is to employ a smart young manager and sign as many of the best young players that your budget will allow, whilst breaking even. That way a team could grow together, profits on the sale of the best of the young players could be reinvested whilst positioning yourself for any slip Celtic may make.
Which almost certainly means that this won’t be the route Rangers take……at least not with this board
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2 May 2018, 12:56 AM
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Never mind Gerrard, it's the cash injection that's the funny thing.
One would suggest they've come up with an another "scheme"
More hun tears , like glorious raindrops, is forecasted.
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2 May 2018, 02:10 AM
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As usual, a thoughtful and informative post by Barcabhoy. He's made it on TSFM. Unfortunately I can't get a link for the post itself, but it's currently the last one on the current blog. Maybe someone can help and post it for others, please.  in anticipation. Edit spelling. And add- hope this works - Quote:
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The financial gap between Celtic and Rangers isn’t something that can be filled by investors . The numbers are so vast only a benefactor , who is prepared to write off their gifts , could provide a level platform
Based on the audited accounts of both to June 2017 the scale of the challenge for Rangers is very clear. In addition the financial year to June 2018 will show a very significantly increased gap, as Celtic grow revenues, whilst receiving a 2nd half year boost to profitability from the Van Djik sell on fee.
Rangers meanwhile made disastrous decisions on recruitment which has increased costs and asset purchase for no benefit whatsoever
Celtic in 2017 had a revenue which is 3.1 times higher than Rangers. That gives Celtic an extra £61M a year to spend. Celtic bring in £16 Million a year more than Rangers in gate receipts and hospitality. With Rangers already at maximum season ticket sales , there is no prospect of Celtic not maintaining a significant advantage
Celtic bring in £31 Million a year more than Rangers in the Broadcast and commercial area. Much of this is Champions League payments, which Celtic will have exclusive opportunity to access again for 2018-19
Celtic have mature well defined multiple channels for merchandising. They also have the benefit that success brings to this category. Rangers by contrast have D list kit suppliers , fans groups competing for the blue pound and no mature channel operation
What is required to compete
A manager of similar ability to Brendan Rodgers
A squad with a starting XI who could get a game for Celtic
That means spending at least an extra £1 M a year on a manager , and even then you need to get lucky
It means signing 11 new players . With an average wage of £1 million a year each and a transfer budget of £25 Million
So you need to increase wages by at least £12 million a year and fund a £25 million transfer budget . Given the wages need to be covered for 3 years , someone needs to commit to a circa £60 Million cash injection and that’s before funding the existing shortfall
With no guarantee , or even a realistic possibility, of a return.
That’s why INVESTORS aren’t the solution. The return on investment potential is negligible. Far more likely that you lose it all. The risk factor will deter any serious investor. RIFC have had 5 years of losing money and failing to meet shareholders expectations . Rangers need a benefactor. The problem is they have needed one for well over a decade and no such individual has appeared. 2018-19 at best might bring in EL group revenue of possibly £7 million . Therefore if Rangers get in a top class manager and spend as outlined the best they could hope for would be a £17 million loss to the year ended June 2019. However fail to make the EL Group stage and the loss could be well over £20 million. The notion that you can fund the required spend by selling existing squad players is absurd. If they don’t win the league at the new managers first attempt then they face the same losses for the following year. No responsible board could contemplate that risk without the cash to cover it being IN PLACE , not based on a promise or a PR stunt.
Even if , and it’s the remotest of possibilities , somebody out there is prepared to launch £60 M at Rangers, the reality is that wouldn’t get them as good a squad as Celtic or as good a manager. There is more than ample historic, current and publicly available data for anyone to come to the same financial conclusions i’ve reached here.
The problem for Rangers is that their fans, or many of them, think instant success is possible. They think it’s just a matter of “someone” providing the cash. The bigger problem for Rangers is that even if the “cold day in hell “ event occurs and they get hold of a huge gift of cash, Celtic are so well resourced that they could easily put themselves well beyond Rangers once again The reality is that a far better plan is to employ a smart young manager and sign as many of the best young players that your budget will allow, whilst breaking even. That way a team could grow together, profits on the sale of the best of the young players could be reinvested whilst positioning yourself for any slip Celtic may make.
Which almost certainly means that this won’t be the route Rangers take……at least not with this board
And that would be why ( much as it may have annoyed us at times) we should be grateful for Fergus onwards who kept the spending under control and built a sustainable organization.
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2 May 2018, 03:12 AM
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Utter desperation from the GASL.
He well knows that the dire situation with Sevco TOTALLY hinges on ST sales, therefore being the shameless effer that he is, has attempted to appease the rancid hun support with the possible appointment of SG.
My money is on that SG will not take up the poisoned chalice. Maybe some of the gullible hun supporters have already renewed their ST based on this charade, who knows?
Glibby is a serial chancer who is now totally desperate to move as many ST as possible because he is well aware that his putrid club are rapidly going down the dunny.
ps...dunny (toilet in Oz)
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2 May 2018, 05:19 AM
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Called it. Murty getting the tine bin
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2 May 2018, 06:29 AM
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And that's the way we like it...
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M’good man Ned Rise of this parish theorised after Sunday’s pumping that a plausible source of the kind of mega bucks they need would be an overseas criminal enterprise needing to wash dirty money. King is a convicted money launderer, fraudster, conman and all-round, cock-eyed crimnal bawsack: in a previous crisis he rustled up so many £m’s ‘overnight, with just one phone call to Hong Kong’, the details of which remain shrouded in secrecy, and his pursuit of Gerrard - complete with war chest - is not supported by his fellow directors, who are not convicted money launderers.
Just sayin, is all...
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2 May 2018, 06:29 AM
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Despite the chat, I don't think Gerrard is a real goer. Although the huns are vainglorious and not intelligent, King is cunning enough to know how to sell to the filth.
I expect talks to continue for maybe another week or so and then breakdown, after the season tickets are renewed naturally. They will come to an amicable thanks but no thanks.
The week after the cup final Steven Robinson gets announced.
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2 May 2018, 06:34 AM
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- 1 May 2018, 11:14 PM
I watched Gerrard closely tonight, probably for the first time. I don't want to be unfair to the guy but he has the air of a morose, passive-aggressive ned with a charisma bypass. I'd say he's a very bad drunk. He might have been a leader on the park but he makes Murty look like Spartacus off it!
I didn't want him to become their manager -- now I can't wait. Can he (and they) really be that stupid?? As long as the DJ keeps the Phil Collins tracks coming everyone is safe...
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2 May 2018, 06:39 AM
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As usual, a thoughtful and informative post by Barcabhoy. He's made it on TSFM. Unfortunately I can't get a link for the post itself, but it's currently the last one on the current blog. Maybe someone can help and post it for others, please.  in anticipation. Edit spelling. And add- hope this works - Quote:
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The financial gap between Celtic and Rangers isn’t something that can be filled by investors . The numbers are so vast only a benefactor , who is prepared to write off their gifts , could provide a level platform
Based on the audited accounts of both to June 2017 the scale of the challenge for Rangers is very clear. In addition the financial year to June 2018 will show a very significantly increased gap, as Celtic grow revenues, whilst receiving a 2nd half year boost to profitability from the Van Djik sell on fee.
Rangers meanwhile made disastrous decisions on recruitment which has increased costs and asset purchase for no benefit whatsoever
Celtic in 2017 had a revenue which is 3.1 times higher than Rangers. That gives Celtic an extra £61M a year to spend. Celtic bring in £16 Million a year more than Rangers in gate receipts and hospitality. With Rangers already at maximum season ticket sales , there is no prospect of Celtic not maintaining a significant advantage
Celtic bring in £31 Million a year more than Rangers in the Broadcast and commercial area. Much of this is Champions League payments, which Celtic will have exclusive opportunity to access again for 2018-19
Celtic have mature well defined multiple channels for merchandising. They also have the benefit that success brings to this category. Rangers by contrast have D list kit suppliers , fans groups competing for the blue pound and no mature channel operation
What is required to compete
A manager of similar ability to Brendan Rodgers
A squad with a starting XI who could get a game for Celtic
That means spending at least an extra £1 M a year on a manager , and even then you need to get lucky
It means signing 11 new players . With an average wage of £1 million a year each and a transfer budget of £25 Million
So you need to increase wages by at least £12 million a year and fund a £25 million transfer budget . Given the wages need to be covered for 3 years , someone needs to commit to a circa £60 Million cash injection and that’s before funding the existing shortfall
With no guarantee , or even a realistic possibility, of a return.
That’s why INVESTORS aren’t the solution. The return on investment potential is negligible. Far more likely that you lose it all. The risk factor will deter any serious investor. RIFC have had 5 years of losing money and failing to meet shareholders expectations . Rangers need a benefactor. The problem is they have needed one for well over a decade and no such individual has appeared. 2018-19 at best might bring in EL group revenue of possibly £7 million . Therefore if Rangers get in a top class manager and spend as outlined the best they could hope for would be a £17 million loss to the year ended June 2019. However fail to make the EL Group stage and the loss could be well over £20 million. The notion that you can fund the required spend by selling existing squad players is absurd. If they don’t win the league at the new managers first attempt then they face the same losses for the following year. No responsible board could contemplate that risk without the cash to cover it being IN PLACE , not based on a promise or a PR stunt.
Even if , and it’s the remotest of possibilities , somebody out there is prepared to launch £60 M at Rangers, the reality is that wouldn’t get them as good a squad as Celtic or as good a manager. There is more than ample historic, current and publicly available data for anyone to come to the same financial conclusions i’ve reached here.
The problem for Rangers is that their fans, or many of them, think instant success is possible. They think it’s just a matter of “someone” providing the cash. The bigger problem for Rangers is that even if the “cold day in hell “ event occurs and they get hold of a huge gift of cash, Celtic are so well resourced that they could easily put themselves well beyond Rangers once again The reality is that a far better plan is to employ a smart young manager and sign as many of the best young players that your budget will allow, whilst breaking even. That way a team could grow together, profits on the sale of the best of the young players could be reinvested whilst positioning yourself for any slip Celtic may make.
Which almost certainly means that this won’t be the route Rangers take……at least not with this board
And that would be why ( much as it may have annoyed us at times) we should be grateful for Fergus onwards who kept the spending under control and built a sustainable organization. Absolutely. I see it like this. The Huns are like someone who won big money on the lottery and quit their job and studies on the back of it. Bought a huge mansion, loads of fancy cars and pointless bling.
Meanwhile, Celtic stuck in and, over time, have become hugely successful independently to the point where they could have all of the same stuff as the Huns but actually afford it.
Now that the Huns have spent all the lotto money, had to pawn the cars and 5e bling and remortgage the house with a local loan shark because none of the banks will touch them, they are crying out about the unfairness of it all. They think that Celtic’s success is the same as their success, built on sand.
Problem is, we can actually afford this because we built from the ground up, losing leagues along the way but always advised to trust in the long term project. Their answer? Buy more lottery tickets.
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2 May 2018, 07:02 AM
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As usual, a thoughtful and informative post by Barcabhoy. He's made it on TSFM. Unfortunately I can't get a link for the post itself, but it's currently the last one on the current blog. Maybe someone can help and post it for others, please.  in anticipation. Edit spelling. And add- hope this works Quoting limited to 3 levels deep
And that would be why ( much as it may have annoyed us at times) we should be grateful for Fergus onwards who kept the spending under control and built a sustainable organization.
Absolutely. I see it like this. The Huns are like someone who won big money on the lottery and quit their job and studies on the back of it. Bought a huge mansion, loads of fancy cars and pointless bling. Meanwhile, Celtic stuck in and, over time, have become hugely successful independently to the point where they could have all of the same stuff as the Huns but actually afford it. Now that the Huns have spent all the lotto money, had to pawn the cars and 5e bling and remortgage the house with a local loan shark because none of the banks will touch them, they are crying out about the unfairness of it all. They think that Celtic’s success is the same as their success, built on sand. Problem is, we can actually afford this because we built from the ground up, losing leagues along the way but always advised to trust in the long term project. Their answer? Buy more lottery tickets. For Huns with lottery money see Michael Carroll (?)
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2 May 2018, 07:15 AM
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As usual, a thoughtful and informative post by Barcabhoy. He's made it on TSFM. Unfortunately I can't get a link for the post itself, but it's currently the last one on the current blog. Maybe someone can help and post it for others, please.  in anticipation. Edit spelling. And add- hope this works Quoting limited to 3 levels deep
And that would be why ( much as it may have annoyed us at times) we should be grateful for Fergus onwards who kept the spending under control and built a sustainable organization.
Absolutely. I see it like this. The Huns are like someone who won big money on the lottery and quit their job and studies on the back of it. Bought a huge mansion, loads of fancy cars and pointless bling. Meanwhile, Celtic stuck in and, over time, have become hugely successful independently to the point where they could have all of the same stuff as the Huns but actually afford it. Now that the Huns have spent all the lotto money, had to pawn the cars and 5e bling and remortgage the house with a local loan shark because none of the banks will touch them, they are crying out about the unfairness of it all. They think that Celtic’s success is the same as their success, built on sand. Problem is, we can actually afford this because we built from the ground up, losing leagues along the way but always advised to trust in the long term project. Their answer? Buy more lottery tickets. Great analogy, going to use that one if I happen to bump into any of my pet mutants today.
Their success really was built on sand, hell mend them.
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