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The All New Sevco Back in Yer Bin Thread; Taking out the trash
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Topic Started: 29 Apr 2018, 04:24 PM (2,086,556 Views)
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25 Jun 2018, 05:14 PM
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Tomorrow sevco will begin its "fierce resistance" of the charge that Rangers (IL) obtained by deception a licence to compete in Europe in season 2011/12. The prosecution case will rely on only two crucial documents :-
1. The statement which Rangers (IL) made to the SFA in 2011 concerning a debt then outstanding to HMRC; and 2. A brief extract from a transcript of evidence from the Craig Whyte trial.
Add to that the time it would take to hear evidence from the relevant witnesses from the Craig Whyte trial simply to confirm that their position has not changed since testifying on oath in the High Court. Wouldn't have thought so
And you're done....at least sevco will be. It's a simple case.
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25 Jun 2018, 05:29 PM
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And you wonder why your posts are mod-approved making baseless allegations like that. This place is far from intolerant, particularly around the areas you suggested
He’s at it surely?! Seems that way
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25 Jun 2018, 05:30 PM
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Maybe speculation but I think Catriona Stewart will be having her life Googled and her email inbox will be overflowing by the morning. Having said that, it's a good honest piece she has written. Rangers' Jon Flanagan didn't 'make a mistake' - he battered a womanSpoiler: click to toggle Catriona Stewart @LadyCatHT IT would be unreasonable and counterproductive to suggest that a person convicted of a crime is undeserving of rehabilitation. But when a person has talent - whether it is the ability to kick a ball, sing, act or be a colourful television personality - there exists a distinct increase in the threshold of what the public is willing to overlook. I'm talking, of course, about Rangers Football Club's newest signing, Jon Flanagan. Mr Flanagan was convicted in January this year for an assault on his girlfriend. I might, though, be talking about any number of sportsmen who brutalise women and are allowed back to their respective games, usually to a chorus of limp excuses for their behaviour. "He wants to put the past behind him." Or, "He wants to move on with his life." Or "His life will never be the one he dreamed of." The narrative around Jon Flanagan is no different. I've read one sports journalist refer to the incident as "an early morning scrap". The court referred to the incident as “a prolonged attack”. Another writer styled it, "issues in his personal life." Barry Ferguson, the football coach, has written in Mr Flanagan's defence. He very briefly touched on the brutal assault carried out by the former Liverpool player before switching to his skills as a footballer. “He can play right and left in defence." Well, that's alright then. Gary McAllister, assistant manager of Rangers, said of the new signing: “He wants to get on with his life and his football life. “The club is in talks and we are in the medical stages at the moment and that is going to be in-depth because Jon Flanagan has had problems in the past with parts of his body.” Aye, his fists. While everyone is tip-toeing around, let me summarise the circumstances of the offence. Flanagan put one hand to his victim's throat and another to her neck before slamming her twice against a wall. She fell to the ground and, while she lay there, he kicked her. Think of all the praise Flanagan earns for his footballing abilities - his abilities to kick a ball hard, fast and accurately. Think about how that kick might feel to a person. He has been through the court system, convicted and handed a sentence. Fine. He deserves a second chance, yes. But can we please stop pussy-footing about the exact nature of the crime and call it for what it was: a brutal assault on a woman. Domestic abuse is a serious issue, one extremely difficult for women to speak out about. Rallying around the perpetrators of violence against women, making them out to be the victims of their own sorry choices, does no good for either party. It fails to make men live up to the consequences of their actions and it fails to provide women with a safe, supportive space to heal. No one is talking publicly about how the victims of these men put the past behind them and turn their lives back into the one they dreamed of. By all means, let's see how Jon Flanagan conducts himself from here on in. But let's stop minimising his actions. Not a "bad choice". Not "an issue". A violent domestic attack. http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/news/16311405.Catriona_Stewart__Rangers__Jon_Flanagan_didn_t__make_a_mistake__-_he_battered_a_woman/?ref=mr&lp=2 Great link Gothamcelt and brilliantly put by Catriona Stewart.
It is very rarely the case that an assault in public on a partner is the first time that it has happened. I've only read small bits about it but it seems that his girlfriend didn't want to press charges, it was the guy who witnessed it and was himself threatened by Flanagan who reported it, to me that would indicate that he had previously done it to her and was relying on his girlfriend, probably not for the first time not reporting it to the police.
Domestic violence takes many forms, from degrading language, financial control, how the person is to dress, how they have to interact with people when they are out right through to physical assault and unfortunately at times, murder. While I agree that people deservre a second chance, that for me should be when the perpetrator shows genuine remorse, which I don't think has happened and is rehabilitated, in the case of John Flanagan he is half way through his sentence so not sure that this is the case
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25 Jun 2018, 05:34 PM
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There's research on this type of crime ... so it's hardly pure speculation it's based on a behavioural pattern. As for rehabilitation, it's my understanding he still serving the sentence? Hardly a punishment or setting an example ... imo Edit: I wouldn't remember a post from yesterday, far less a moniker (Murphio apart) so I have no clue which post you're referring to.
Claiming to forget, after your previous response, mentioned point scoring re speculative posts. Ok. Anyway, I'm, aware of the research. You mentioned behavioural pattern. In my post a few weeks ago I gave 3 or 4 examples of our board, failing to capitalise from a position of strength. You still felt I'd need to be a mind reader to speculate on the boards motives. Thanks .. Why would I remember you or that post from two weeks ago?
Get over yourself.
a) There's no behavioural pattern, expert opinion or case studies references regarding (and I had to go look your post up, glad I did) "Lawwell attempted to stand still"
You stated that in your post as if it was a fact which is what I took issue with. ... There was no "could of", "might have been" "in my opinion" ... you baldly stated that is what he did as a fact and there's no way you could know that
Also there's nowhere I've stated in my post Flanagan has done anything previously or will do anything. It's clearly labelled as an opinion.
You think the content of my post and your post re:"Lawwell attempted to stand still" somehow have the same merits.
Crack on ...
Edit: I see some else has a post which indicates Flanagan has most likely has done it before since it wasn't his gf who wanted to press charges. Colour me surprised.
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25 Jun 2018, 05:36 PM
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And you wonder why your posts are mod-approved making baseless allegations like that. This place is far from intolerant, particularly around the areas you suggested
He’s at it surely?! That was my first thought on the post.
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25 Jun 2018, 05:40 PM
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Maybe speculation but I think Catriona Stewart will be having her life Googled and her email inbox will be overflowing by the morning. Having said that, it's a good honest piece she has written. Rangers' Jon Flanagan didn't 'make a mistake' - he battered a womanSpoiler: click to toggle Catriona Stewart @LadyCatHT IT would be unreasonable and counterproductive to suggest that a person convicted of a crime is undeserving of rehabilitation. But when a person has talent - whether it is the ability to kick a ball, sing, act or be a colourful television personality - there exists a distinct increase in the threshold of what the public is willing to overlook. I'm talking, of course, about Rangers Football Club's newest signing, Jon Flanagan. Mr Flanagan was convicted in January this year for an assault on his girlfriend. I might, though, be talking about any number of sportsmen who brutalise women and are allowed back to their respective games, usually to a chorus of limp excuses for their behaviour. "He wants to put the past behind him." Or, "He wants to move on with his life." Or "His life will never be the one he dreamed of." The narrative around Jon Flanagan is no different. I've read one sports journalist refer to the incident as "an early morning scrap". The court referred to the incident as “a prolonged attack”. Another writer styled it, "issues in his personal life." Barry Ferguson, the football coach, has written in Mr Flanagan's defence. He very briefly touched on the brutal assault carried out by the former Liverpool player before switching to his skills as a footballer. “He can play right and left in defence." Well, that's alright then. Gary McAllister, assistant manager of Rangers, said of the new signing: “He wants to get on with his life and his football life. “The club is in talks and we are in the medical stages at the moment and that is going to be in-depth because Jon Flanagan has had problems in the past with parts of his body.” Aye, his fists. While everyone is tip-toeing around, let me summarise the circumstances of the offence. Flanagan put one hand to his victim's throat and another to her neck before slamming her twice against a wall. She fell to the ground and, while she lay there, he kicked her. Think of all the praise Flanagan earns for his footballing abilities - his abilities to kick a ball hard, fast and accurately. Think about how that kick might feel to a person. He has been through the court system, convicted and handed a sentence. Fine. He deserves a second chance, yes. But can we please stop pussy-footing about the exact nature of the crime and call it for what it was: a brutal assault on a woman. Domestic abuse is a serious issue, one extremely difficult for women to speak out about. Rallying around the perpetrators of violence against women, making them out to be the victims of their own sorry choices, does no good for either party. It fails to make men live up to the consequences of their actions and it fails to provide women with a safe, supportive space to heal. No one is talking publicly about how the victims of these men put the past behind them and turn their lives back into the one they dreamed of. By all means, let's see how Jon Flanagan conducts himself from here on in. But let's stop minimising his actions. Not a "bad choice". Not "an issue". A violent domestic attack. http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/news/16311405.Catriona_Stewart__Rangers__Jon_Flanagan_didn_t__make_a_mistake__-_he_battered_a_woman/?ref=mr&lp=2
Great link Gothamcelt and brilliantly put by Catriona Stewart. It is very rarely the case that an assault in public on a partner is the first time that it has happened. I've only read small bits about it but it seems that his girlfriend didn't want to press charges, it was the guy who witnessed it and was himself threatened by Flanagan who reported it, to me that would indicate that he had previously done it to her and was relying on his girlfriend, probably not for the first time not reporting it to the police. Domestic violence takes many forms, from degrading language, financial control, how the person is to dress, how they have to interact with people when they are out right through to physical assault and unfortunately at times, murder. While I agree that people deservre a second chance, that for me should be when the perpetrator shows genuine remorse, which I don't think has happened and is rehabilitated, in the case of John Flanagan he is half way through his sentence so not sure that this is the case
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25 Jun 2018, 05:46 PM
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"It's very rarely a one off." " If that's how he treats her in public, personally I doubt it was his first time..." "Though it could be a drunken one-off, highly doubtful. " "Most research on the subject indicates it's highly unlikely to have been his first time..." If that's not speculation it's a very good impersonation
It's an opinion based on a behavioural type., so hardly pure speculation. Granted it could have been phrased better. However the  or the huns are not really worth the effort. Link to an article re: first time offenders and you'll find many more on the subject if it is of any interest to you and want to research it. Spoiler: click to toggle When you project general trends onto specific individuals it is speculation.
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25 Jun 2018, 05:48 PM
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He’s at it surely?!
That was my first thought on the post. I dunno we're all s on here .. NO?
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44129307Tomorrow sevco will begin its "fierce resistance" of the charge that Rangers (IL) obtained by deception a licence to compete in Europe in season 2011/12. The prosecution case will rely on only two crucial documents :- 1. The statement which Rangers (IL) made to the SFA in 2011 concerning a debt then outstanding to HMRC; and 2. A brief extract from a transcript of evidence from the Craig Whyte trial. Add to that the time it would take to hear evidence from the relevant witnesses from the Craig Whyte trial simply to confirm that their position has not changed since testifying on oath in the High Court. Wouldn't have thought so And you're done....at least sevco will be. It's a simple case. I'm not holding my breath after past performances ....
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44129307Tomorrow sevco will begin its "fierce resistance" of the charge that Rangers (IL) obtained by deception a licence to compete in Europe in season 2011/12. The prosecution case will rely on only two crucial documents :- 1. The statement which Rangers (IL) made to the SFA in 2011 concerning a debt then outstanding to HMRC; and 2. A brief extract from a transcript of evidence from the Craig Whyte trial. Add to that the time it would take to hear evidence from the relevant witnesses from the Craig Whyte trial simply to confirm that their position has not changed since testifying on oath in the High Court. Wouldn't have thought so And you're done....at least sevco will be. It's a simple case.
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This new Notice of Complaint neglects to properly capture the provisions of prior agreements made between the Club and the SFA.
Prior Arrangements Timmy, what a scam.
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That's the strange thing - if they had influence over Ashley then surely they have it over GASL - shares in the same company ?
I'm as-near-as-dammit certain that it was confirmed at time time of King's takeover that there is no 'Fit And Proper Person' protocol in Scottish football. There isn't a list of reputational criteria to meet order to become a club director, presumably because it's assumed clubs would not give directorships to rogues in the first place. It's only in exceptional circumstances that the SFA would take an interest, lest a member club hook up with a wrong 'un so toxic that his very appointment risks bringing the game into disrepute. The SFA did claim they investigated or 'looked into' King's appointment and were satisfied he as hunky dory. Go figure... I thought there was (and still is ?) such a test ? The late & sadly missed Paul Mc Conville wrote an extensive article on it several years ago in 2012 and referred to SFA guidelines . Surely these still apply ?
https://scotslawthoughts.wordpress.com/2012/03/11/the-sfas-fit-and-proper-test-self-certification-for-football-clubs-a-farce-part-1-craig-whyte/
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I'm as-near-as-dammit certain that it was confirmed at time time of King's takeover that there is no 'Fit And Proper Person' protocol in Scottish football. There isn't a list of reputational criteria to meet order to become a club director, presumably because it's assumed clubs would not give directorships to rogues in the first place. It's only in exceptional circumstances that the SFA would take an interest, lest a member club hook up with a wrong 'un so toxic that his very appointment risks bringing the game into disrepute. The SFA did claim they investigated or 'looked into' King's appointment and were satisfied he as hunky dory. Go figure...
I thought there was (and still is ?) such a test ? The late & sadly missed Paul Mc Conville wrote an extensive article on it several years ago in 2012 and referred to SFA guidelines . Surely these still apply ? https://scotslawthoughts.wordpress.com/2012/03/11/the-sfas-fit-and-proper-test-self-certification-for-football-clubs-a-farce-part-1-craig-whyte/ Is there not some controversy surrounding the panel that sat for king, as it did not adhere to their procedures and certain members were that should have been on it were excluded?
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25 Jun 2018, 06:43 PM
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Yes, I got the Mod-filter, too. Received a quite unprovoked, personalised attack from the Remy Martin character with his flatterers egging him on to slaughter the newbie; responding in simple kind, I got effectively silenced while the Remy guy and his flatterers moved on unhindered to gang up on someone else. There's a reason few women or gay folk post on here: there is indeed a hive mind on KDS, rooted in masculine aggression and intent on group bullying. It reflects ill on our club and culture imo
And you wonder why your posts are mod-approved making baseless allegations like that. This place is far from intolerant, particularly around the areas you suggested Actually, Seneca is 100% correct in what he says about certain things. If you can't handle the truth, Kingslim, then you shouldn't comment, perhaps!
I followed this site for a long time before posting and I've watched this type of action happen on numerous occasions by several different people.
I won't look into your posting history, I couldn't be bothered - I've seen some sad people do it before on here - but I'll hazard a guess that you are one of the 'flatterers' referred to.
It happens on every message board on the Internet. There is an intolerance towards those who are 'different'.
I know
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That was my first thought on the post.
I dunno we're all  s on here .. NO? I don't know about being carrots but we are an argumentative bunch at the best of times. If you pick a topic and then select five random members of KDS to give an opinion you'll end us with at least six different opinions. Thankfully the mods keep us in line.
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And you wonder why your posts are mod-approved making baseless allegations like that. Ir This place is far from intolerant, particularly around the areas you suggested
Actually, Seneca is 100% correct in what he says about certain things. If you can't handle the truth, Kingslim, then you shouldn't comment, perhaps! I followed this site for a long time before posting and I've watched this type of action happen on numerous occasions by several different people. I won't look into your posting history, I couldn't be bothered - I've seen some sad people do it before on here - but I'll hazard a guess that you are one of the 'flatterers' referred to. It happens on every message board on the Internet. There is an intolerance towards those who are 'different'. I know Your username is ciaran88. How anyone would think you were “different” from any other random poster on here, only you can explain.
Speaking on behalf of the mods, if you feel any one is being bullied for their gender or sexuality, or being “different” we’d appreciate you contacting us with the details. We can’t police every thread 24/7. However, I’m comfortable in saying that we (the mods) will usually take action against such posts - to the extent that we often get grief for it.
Feel free to PM me with examples of homophobia and sexism and we’ll look into it.
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Yes, I got the Mod-filter, too. Received a quite unprovoked, personalised attack from the Remy Martin character with his flatterers egging him on to slaughter the newbie; responding in simple kind, I got effectively silenced while the Remy guy and his flatterers moved on unhindered to gang up on someone else. There's a reason few women or gay folk post on here: there is indeed a hive mind on KDS, rooted in masculine aggression and intent on group bullying. It reflects ill on our club and culture imo
And you wonder why your posts are mod-approved making baseless allegations like that. This place is far from intolerant, particularly around the areas you suggested And you know wether a poster is gay or not? How may I ask
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25 Jun 2018, 07:19 PM
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Actually, Seneca is 100% correct in what he says about certain things. If you can't handle the truth, Kingslim, then you shouldn't comment, perhaps! I followed this site for a long time before posting and I've watched this type of action happen on numerous occasions by several different people. I won't look into your posting history, I couldn't be bothered - I've seen some sad people do it before on here - but I'll hazard a guess that you are one of the 'flatterers' referred to. It happens on every message board on the Internet. There is an intolerance towards those who are 'different'. I know
Your username is ciaran88. How anyone would think you were “different” from any other random poster on here, only you can explain. Speaking on behalf of the mods, if you feel any one is being bullied for their gender or sexuality, or being “different” we’d appreciate you contacting us with the details. We can’t police every thread 24/7. However, I’m comfortable in saying that we (the mods) will usually take action against such posts - to the extent that we often get grief for it. Feel free to PM me with examples of homophobia and sexism and we’ll look into it. Idyllwild,
I have to admit that I was not actually referring to one specific area of intolerance.
My point was in relation to certain people 'ganging up' on others, often started by someone who believes they are 'untouchable' who, in turn, will have their 'flatterers' jump aboard the offencive bus and pummel someone into the ground. The more the person tries to respond, or retaliate, the more humiliating the hounding becomes.
I will be very surprised, indeed, if you are unaware of such activities on this site - or any other site for that matter.
It does my head in when I see it happening.
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Kingslim a Remy flatterer.
Are you flattered by that Kingslim?
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- 25 Jun 2018, 08:21 AM
- TheGloryYears
- 24 Jun 2018, 11:03 PM
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At least he is getting it tight for a post. Some Wailopper took a disliking to my username and Now all my posts have to go through the mods. 90% don’t even get through. This one too no doubt
Yes, I got the Mod-filter, too. Received a quite unprovoked, personalised attack from the Remy Martin character with his flatterers egging him on to slaughter the newbie; responding in simple kind, I got effectively silenced while the Remy guy and his flatterers moved on unhindered to gang up on someone else. There's a reason few women or gay folk post on here: there is indeed a hive mind on KDS, rooted in masculine aggression and intent on group bullying. It reflects ill on our club and culture imo Nice made up stuff there you delusional fantasist.
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25 Jun 2018, 07:27 PM
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Retired and now an out of work Setanta pundit looking for a job at ESPN or Sky. Or BEIN or BT Sport!
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- Ciaran88
- 25 Jun 2018, 06:43 PM
There is an intolerance towards those who are 'different'. We're all individuals!
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