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The All New Sevco Back in Yer Bin Thread; Taking out the trash
Topic Started: 29 Apr 2018, 04:24 PM (2,086,557 Views)
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Is that the heat officially off tenerifetim then ? :lol:



Wow ! I can enjoy the Scottish sunshine now for a couple of months days knowing I'm Off the Radar ! :lol:
Some other poor unfortunate has been elevated ! :clap:
Announce Dembélé's extension ! :rocker:

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Aye, it's all just the one big brain on here, thinking the same and waiting to pounce on anyone who disagrees.

In reality, if someone said the pitch at Celtic Park was looking nice and green, there would be arguments about the shade of green, whether desso was better than grass, if it was Celtic Park or Parkhead, who cares what it looks like if we're going to get scudded in Europe with that defence, but take the money for Boyata and run, aye but haud on the carrot could be a World Cup winner in three weeks, how much would it cost for one of them, maybe Comperr could become the new Billy McNeill, it's Cesar (how many times!) It'll always be Caesar to me!

The guy made a point and people disagreed with it. A lot of people didn't want Flanagan anywhere near Celtic. The fact he's turned up at Rangers means that we've dodged that particular bullet and don't ha e to concern ourselves with all that second chance stuff. That's someone else's problem for their club.

On which, the poster just about described them as despicable but then said moral crusaders (his words) were worse. And yet he's only prepared to give him one more chance for the entire the rest of his life. Any future incident over the next 60 years,aye well, eff him then. Nothing worse than someone who takes your second chance and wipes his arse with it.

That's before we got onto Jesus, Paisley, McGuinness and the peace process.

For some people, evidently, two chances is a lime in the sand. Others start at the one he booted down the street when he was aiming at his girlfriend. I don't think anyone thinks they'll change anyone's mind on the matter, but a lot of folk simply didn't want someone who did that playing for Celtic. Is behaviour like that ever a one off? Hopefully for the girl it is. Not really bothered about him in the situation to be honest.
It's very rarely a one off. If that's how he treats her in public, personally I doubt it was his first time or likely to be the last.

Though it could be a drunken one-off, highly doubtful.

He's a :carrot: either way.

Speculating ok with you now?

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I think that although you're joking you're probably half right. They're clearly wiping out the season ticket money now but I think they believe that they'll get into the group stages of the Europa League (no laughing at the back) and that the gate money will see them through till the prize money arrives in March :lol:
As someone says below King has publicly stated that they will run at a loss until they are in Europe - now I assume that this means at the least the Europa League group stages.

It seems that rather than cultivate revenue streams like sponsorship, commercial or retail they either don't have the nous or they have simply effed too many people off. They are therefore doing the only thing they know how which is try to sell the European dream to the masses which in turn translates into revenue with match day tickets. That obviously only works if you get through the rounds and not get put out like last year in the first round.

With all the new additions including the manager and little out of the door they must have added a good 500-800k per month to the costs including tax etc. They have extra revenue but within a few months the extra will be knocked out and they will then start eating into the reserves quicker than last season.

Right now King has placed all his chips on the table in the bit marked group stages and he might be thinking worst case they get to the playoffs plus they manage to sell a few players. If this does not come to pass they will really start to struggle.
There's been some speculation that the GASL reckons that the wealthy huns will cough up more dough rather than see sevco go to the wall. I do wonder about that though because they kept their hands in their pockets when sevco had to pawn the last of the family pewter to keep the lights on last season. That's a £4m liability that's still to be reckoned with. It wasn't forecast in their last published accounts.
Actually, should the SFA not be able to require sevco to produce to them a financial statement outlining their income and liabilities for next season ? In terms of their published accounts, the GASL said he would pick up the slack last season, but untrue to his word they had to borrow from Close Brothers. The GASL has also underwritten borrowing of up to £3m for the coming season. I think he also undertakes , through NOAL, to cover any further shortfall.
Accordingly, for season 2018/19 sevco - as a matter of public record - will rely on the GASL's undertakings in the accounts to remain solvent until the end of the season. But he squelched on the same undertaking for season 2017/18. Therefore there is imo a proper basis for the SFA to seek from sevco appropriate, reliable vouching so as to demonstrate that they have in place the funding that they will need to get them through until May?
Have we got to wait until the shampoo actually hits the fan ?
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It's very rarely a one off. If that's how he treats her in public, personally I doubt it was his first time or likely to be the last.

Though it could be a drunken one-off, highly doubtful.

He's a :carrot: either way.

Speculating ok with you now?

He was convicted ... there's no speculating.

Most research on the subject indicates it's highly unlikely to have been his first time and that it's a repetitive behaviour. I've stated it's possible it is the first and only time he will do it. Research and documentaries indicate otherwise and it's my opinion that's it unlikely with him as well. Hope that clears it up for you.

If you think it's a subject for point scoring about previous discussions re: speculating ... then good for you :thumbsup:

He's a fecking :carrot: and I'd say the same if he signed for us,
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As someone says below King has publicly stated that they will run at a loss until they are in Europe - now I assume that this means at the least the Europa League group stages.

It seems that rather than cultivate revenue streams like sponsorship, commercial or retail they either don't have the nous or they have simply effed too many people off. They are therefore doing the only thing they know how which is try to sell the European dream to the masses which in turn translates into revenue with match day tickets. That obviously only works if you get through the rounds and not get put out like last year in the first round.

With all the new additions including the manager and little out of the door they must have added a good 500-800k per month to the costs including tax etc. They have extra revenue but within a few months the extra will be knocked out and they will then start eating into the reserves quicker than last season.

Right now King has placed all his chips on the table in the bit marked group stages and he might be thinking worst case they get to the playoffs plus they manage to sell a few players. If this does not come to pass they will really start to struggle.
There's been some speculation that the GASL reckons that the wealthy huns will cough up more dough rather than see sevco go to the wall. I do wonder about that though because they kept their hands in their pockets when sevco had to pawn the last of the family pewter to keep the lights on last season. That's a £4m liability that's still to be reckoned with. It wasn't forecast in their last published accounts.
Actually, should the SFA not be able to require sevco to produce to them a financial statement outlining their income and liabilities for next season ? In terms of their published accounts, the GASL said he would pick up the slack last season, but untrue to his word they had to borrow from Close Brothers. The GASL has also underwritten borrowing of up to £3m for the coming season. I think he also undertakes , through NOAL, to cover any further shortfall.
Accordingly, for season 2018/19 sevco - as a matter of public record - will rely on the GASL's undertakings in the accounts to remain solvent until the end of the season. But he squelched on the same undertaking for season 2017/18. Therefore there is imo a proper basis for the SFA to seek from sevco appropriate, reliable vouching so as to demonstrate that they have in place the funding that they will need to get them through until May?
Have we got to wait until the shampoo actually hits the fan ?
If they go to the wall the SFA/SPFL are complicit and any pretence of governance is shattered.

You're correct, imo. The SFA/SPFL should be auditing their accounts closely. especially after the last debacle and some of the same directors now being on that board.

There's no excuse or hiding place should RIFC go to the wall.
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As someone says below King has publicly stated that they will run at a loss until they are in Europe - now I assume that this means at the least the Europa League group stages.

It seems that rather than cultivate revenue streams like sponsorship, commercial or retail they either don't have the nous or they have simply effed too many people off. They are therefore doing the only thing they know how which is try to sell the European dream to the masses which in turn translates into revenue with match day tickets. That obviously only works if you get through the rounds and not get put out like last year in the first round.

With all the new additions including the manager and little out of the door they must have added a good 500-800k per month to the costs including tax etc. They have extra revenue but within a few months the extra will be knocked out and they will then start eating into the reserves quicker than last season.

Right now King has placed all his chips on the table in the bit marked group stages and he might be thinking worst case they get to the playoffs plus they manage to sell a few players. If this does not come to pass they will really start to struggle.
There's been some speculation that the GASL reckons that the wealthy huns will cough up more dough rather than see sevco go to the wall. I do wonder about that though because they kept their hands in their pockets when sevco had to pawn the last of the family pewter to keep the lights on last season. That's a £4m liability that's still to be reckoned with. It wasn't forecast in their last published accounts.
Actually, should the SFA not be able to require sevco to produce to them a financial statement outlining their income and liabilities for next season ? In terms of their published accounts, the GASL said he would pick up the slack last season, but untrue to his word they had to borrow from Close Brothers. The GASL has also underwritten borrowing of up to £3m for the coming season. I think he also undertakes , through NOAL, to cover any further shortfall.
Accordingly, for season 2018/19 sevco - as a matter of public record - will rely on the GASL's undertakings in the accounts to remain solvent until the end of the season. But he squelched on the same undertaking for season 2017/18. Therefore there is imo a proper basis for the SFA to seek from sevco appropriate, reliable vouching so as to demonstrate that they have in place the funding that they will need to get them through until May?
Have we got to wait until the shampoo actually hits the fan ?
As you say its clear that no one else seems to be supplying funds now with the close "overdraft" that came in around the same time King was due to weigh in a shortfall. It was painted as being for stadium developments but painting a fence/shutters really does not cost that much. Even someone at the SFA should understand that it is not a overdraft they have but last chance saloon credit.

Why no one there has also made noises about court cases where he says he is skint and the next some other entity comes out with the funds should be ringing alarm bells. Having recently spoken to a South African resident here now it is getting very problematic moving money out of the country. They should be concerned about one of their clubs getting into difficulty. However the fact that he was passed F&P means that nothing surprises me. Our press struggle to comprehend what King does/gets up to....what chance have the games rulers got.

Their next accounts should make for interesting reading.
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There's been some speculation that the GASL reckons that the wealthy huns will cough up more dough rather than see sevco go to the wall. I do wonder about that though because they kept their hands in their pockets when sevco had to pawn the last of the family pewter to keep the lights on last season. That's a £4m liability that's still to be reckoned with. It wasn't forecast in their last published accounts.
Actually, should the SFA not be able to require sevco to produce to them a financial statement outlining their income and liabilities for next season ? In terms of their published accounts, the GASL said he would pick up the slack last season, but untrue to his word they had to borrow from Close Brothers. The GASL has also underwritten borrowing of up to £3m for the coming season. I think he also undertakes , through NOAL, to cover any further shortfall.
Accordingly, for season 2018/19 sevco - as a matter of public record - will rely on the GASL's undertakings in the accounts to remain solvent until the end of the season. But he squelched on the same undertaking for season 2017/18. Therefore there is imo a proper basis for the SFA to seek from sevco appropriate, reliable vouching so as to demonstrate that they have in place the funding that they will need to get them through until May?
Have we got to wait until the shampoo actually hits the fan ?
As you say its clear that no one else seems to be supplying funds now with the close "overdraft" that came in around the same time King was due to weigh in a shortfall. It was painted as being for stadium developments but painting a fence/shutters really does not cost that much. Even someone at the SFA should understand that it is not a overdraft they have but last chance saloon credit.

Why no one there has also made noises about court cases where he says he is skint and the next some other entity comes out with the funds should be ringing alarm bells. Having recently spoken to a South African resident here now it is getting very problematic moving money out of the country. They should be concerned about one of their clubs getting into difficulty. However the fact that he was passed F&P means that nothing surprises me. Our press struggle to comprehend what King does/gets up to....what chance have the games rulers got.

Their next accounts should make for interesting reading.


Didn't the Ashley barney with SFA smoke out that no F&P was done on GASL as he had no standing in the 'football company'?
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As you say its clear that no one else seems to be supplying funds now with the close "overdraft" that came in around the same time King was due to weigh in a shortfall. It was painted as being for stadium developments but painting a fence/shutters really does not cost that much. Even someone at the SFA should understand that it is not a overdraft they have but last chance saloon credit.

Why no one there has also made noises about court cases where he says he is skint and the next some other entity comes out with the funds should be ringing alarm bells. Having recently spoken to a South African resident here now it is getting very problematic moving money out of the country. They should be concerned about one of their clubs getting into difficulty. However the fact that he was passed F&P means that nothing surprises me. Our press struggle to comprehend what King does/gets up to....what chance have the games rulers got.

Their next accounts should make for interesting reading.


Didn't the Ashley barney with SFA smoke out that no F&P was done on GASL as he had no standing in the 'football company'?
That's the strange thing - if they had influence over Ashley then surely they have it over GASL - shares in the same company ?
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Speculating ok with you now?

He was convicted ... there's no speculating.

Most research on the subject indicates it's highly unlikely to have been his first time and that it's a repetitive behaviour. I've stated it's possible it is the first and only time he will do it. Research and documentaries indicate otherwise and it's my opinion that's it unlikely with him as well. Hope that clears it up for you.

If you think it's a subject for point scoring about previous discussions re: speculating ... then good for you :thumbsup:

He's a fecking :carrot: and I'd say the same if he signed for us,
I don't disagree with you, he is a carrot for what he done. (Although I do believe with most crimes, people are entitled to a second chance, after a period of rehabilitation.)

But you are picking and choosing when its ok to apply you're own opinion, then speculating that it's probably not the first or the last time, he will carry out this sort of crime.

It's exactly the same sort of opinion based, speculative post that you had a go at me for less than 2 weeks ago.



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Speculating ok with you now?

He was convicted ... there's no speculating.

Most research on the subject indicates it's highly unlikely to have been his first time and that it's a repetitive behaviour. I've stated it's possible it is the first and only time he will do it. Research and documentaries indicate otherwise and it's my opinion that's it unlikely with him as well. Hope that clears it up for you.

If you think it's a subject for point scoring about previous discussions re: speculating ... then good for you :thumbsup:

He's a fecking :carrot: and I'd say the same if he signed for us,
"It's very rarely a one off."
" If that's how he treats her in public, personally I doubt it was his first time..."
"Though it could be a drunken one-off, highly doubtful. "
"Most research on the subject indicates it's highly unlikely to have been his first time..."

If that's not speculation it's a very good impersonation :lol:
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He's fine until someone calls his opinion "hunnish" , then it's time to pack up the tent and get outta town !


As for folk holding back their opinions though ? nae chance. The mad arguments on here are brilliant .
At least he is getting it tight for a post. Some Wailopper took a disliking to my username and Now all my posts have to go through the mods. 90% don’t even get through. This one too no doubt
Yes, I got the Mod-filter, too.
Received a quite unprovoked, personalised attack from the Remy Martin character with his flatterers egging him on to slaughter the newbie; responding in simple kind, I got effectively silenced while the Remy guy and his flatterers moved on unhindered to gang up on someone else.
There's a reason few women or gay folk post on here: there is indeed a hive mind on KDS, rooted in masculine aggression and intent on group bullying.
It reflects ill on our club and culture imo
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He was convicted ... there's no speculating.

Most research on the subject indicates it's highly unlikely to have been his first time and that it's a repetitive behaviour. I've stated it's possible it is the first and only time he will do it. Research and documentaries indicate otherwise and it's my opinion that's it unlikely with him as well. Hope that clears it up for you.

If you think it's a subject for point scoring about previous discussions re: speculating ... then good for you :thumbsup:

He's a fecking :carrot: and I'd say the same if he signed for us,
I don't disagree with you, he is a carrot for what he done. (Although I do believe with most crimes, people are entitled to a second chance, after a period of rehabilitation.)

But you are picking and choosing when its ok to apply you're own opinion, then speculating that it's probably not the first or the last time, he will carry out this sort of crime.

It's exactly the same sort of opinion based, speculative post that you had a go at me for less than 2 weeks ago.



There's research on this type of crime ... so it's hardly pure speculation it's based on a behavioural pattern.

As for rehabilitation, it's my understanding he still serving the sentence?

Hardly a punishment or setting an example ... imo

Edit: I wouldn't remember a post from yesterday, far less a moniker (Murphio apart) so I have no clue which post you're referring to.
Edited by DhenBhoy, 25 Jun 2018, 04:29 PM.
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Didn't the Ashley barney with SFA smoke out that no F&P was done on GASL as he had no standing in the 'football company'?
That's the strange thing - if they had influence over Ashley then surely they have it over GASL - shares in the same company ?
I'm as-near-as-dammit certain that it was confirmed at time time of King's takeover that there is no 'Fit And Proper Person' protocol in Scottish football. There isn't a list of reputational criteria to meet order to become a club director, presumably because it's assumed clubs would not give directorships to rogues in the first place. It's only in exceptional circumstances that the SFA would take an interest, lest a member club hook up with a wrong 'un so toxic that his very appointment risks bringing the game into disrepute. The SFA did claim they investigated or 'looked into' King's appointment and were satisfied he as hunky dory.

Go figure...
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He was convicted ... there's no speculating.

Most research on the subject indicates it's highly unlikely to have been his first time and that it's a repetitive behaviour. I've stated it's possible it is the first and only time he will do it. Research and documentaries indicate otherwise and it's my opinion that's it unlikely with him as well. Hope that clears it up for you.

If you think it's a subject for point scoring about previous discussions re: speculating ... then good for you :thumbsup:

He's a fecking :carrot: and I'd say the same if he signed for us,
"It's very rarely a one off."
" If that's how he treats her in public, personally I doubt it was his first time..."
"Though it could be a drunken one-off, highly doubtful. "
"Most research on the subject indicates it's highly unlikely to have been his first time..."

If that's not speculation it's a very good impersonation :lol:
It's an opinion based on a behavioural type., so hardly pure speculation.

Granted it could have been phrased better. However the :carrot: or the huns are not really worth the effort.

Link to an article re: first time offenders and you'll find many more on the subject if it is of any interest to you and want to research it.
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I don't disagree with you, he is a carrot for what he done. (Although I do believe with most crimes, people are entitled to a second chance, after a period of rehabilitation.)

But you are picking and choosing when its ok to apply you're own opinion, then speculating that it's probably not the first or the last time, he will carry out this sort of crime.

It's exactly the same sort of opinion based, speculative post that you had a go at me for less than 2 weeks ago.



There's research on this type of crime ... so it's hardly pure speculation it's based on a behavioural pattern.

As for rehabilitation, it's my understanding he still serving the sentence?

Hardly a punishment or setting an example ... imo

Edit: I wouldn't remember a post from yesterday, far less a moniker (Murphio apart) so I have no clue which post you're referring to.
Claiming to forget, after your previous response, mentioned point scoring re speculative posts. Ok.

Anyway, I'm, aware of the research.

You mentioned behavioural pattern.

In my post a few weeks ago I gave 3 or 4 examples of our board, failing to capitalise from a position of strength. You still felt I'd need to be a mind reader to speculate on the boards motives.




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Maybe speculation but I think Catriona Stewart will be having her life Googled and her email inbox will be overflowing by the morning.
Having said that, it's a good honest piece she has written.

Rangers' Jon Flanagan didn't 'make a mistake' - he battered a woman
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At least he is getting it tight for a post. Some Wailopper took a disliking to my username and Now all my posts have to go through the mods. 90% don’t even get through. This one too no doubt
Yes, I got the Mod-filter, too.
Received a quite unprovoked, personalised attack from the Remy Martin character with his flatterers egging him on to slaughter the newbie; responding in simple kind, I got effectively silenced while the Remy guy and his flatterers moved on unhindered to gang up on someone else.
There's a reason few women or gay folk post on here: there is indeed a hive mind on KDS, rooted in masculine aggression and intent on group bullying.
It reflects ill on our club and culture imo
And you wonder why your posts are mod-approved making baseless allegations like that.

This place is far from intolerant, particularly around the areas you suggested
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Kingslim
25 Jun 2018, 05:07 PM
Seneca
25 Jun 2018, 04:17 PM
Bhoy4srus
25 Jun 2018, 08:21 AM

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Yes, I got the Mod-filter, too.
Received a quite unprovoked, personalised attack from the Remy Martin character with his flatterers egging him on to slaughter the newbie; responding in simple kind, I got effectively silenced while the Remy guy and his flatterers moved on unhindered to gang up on someone else.
There's a reason few women or gay folk post on here: there is indeed a hive mind on KDS, rooted in masculine aggression and intent on group bullying.
It reflects ill on our club and culture imo
And you wonder why your posts are mod-approved making baseless allegations like that.

This place is far from intolerant, particularly around the areas you suggested
He’s at it surely?!
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