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The All New Sevco Back in Yer Bin Thread; Taking out the trash
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Topic Started: 29 Apr 2018, 04:24 PM (2,086,736 Views)
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27 May 2018, 08:54 AM
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Gerrard on BT Sport tonight for the CL final and when talking about how Liverpool play he said that they play a diamond and he played this formation under BR and it is very difficult to break down (or something like that).
This got me thinking that if he played under it and Liverpool still play it will he plan to implement it when he comes to rangers?
Imagine the dross he is going to be in charge off and trying to get them to adapt to a new formation for the coming season / Euro games. PLG all over again.
It's one thing playing a diamond with the players BR had at Liverpool. It's quite another trying to pull that off with a combination of Dorrans, Arfield and Murphy. It takes stamina and pace. Ehh... this'll be fun. Last night was good preparation for Gerrard's future career. Losing key games and 35% possession is going to be regular occurence with his new team too.
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27 May 2018, 09:16 AM
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Looks like Jabba forgot to feed Waddell: "It’s about money, and how they can get their hands on more of it now. Not tomorrow, not at New Year, not after the split. Now". Spoiler: click to toggle Rangers are only cutting Celtic’s allocation so they can get their hands on the money NOW – Gordon WaddellThe Sunday Mail’s chief sports columnist believes the ticket move is all smoke and mirrors. ByGordon Waddell That’ll be the ‘building bridges’ phase of Rangers’ return to football civilisation over then, eh? So much for the promised reintegration and reconciliation. They’re back on the front foot, on the offensive, playing to the gallery the only way they know how - and it’s a pretty unedifying sight. The question is, though, how naive do you have to be to buy this week’s smoke and mirrors operation? The answer, it appears from the reaction, is ‘Just the right amount…’. On the surface, the sentiment of making sure their own supporters come first and last on their list of priorities is laudable. But this isn’t really about that. Nor is it really about the Old Firm game. It’s about money, and how they can get their hands on more of it now. Not tomorrow, not at New Year, not after the split. Now. In a week where they’ve been embarrassed by a false-flag pursuit of Martin Skrtel, a player they could never afford but courted anyway, then claimed they hadn’t to save face, it’s clear they need more money front-loaded and in a hurry. By cutting Celtic’s allocation from 8000 to 800, they lose out on 7200 x £50, twice a season, a decent lift when the up-front fans’ dough has long gone. However, if they think they can sell 5000 more season tickets in that stand by riding the Steven Gerrard tsunami and including the two Celtic games, bringing in a couple of million quid now, then it makes financial sense for them in the short term, especially if they don’t have any other sources of instant funding to get their new boss what he wants. What about the long-term consequences, though? Three things worth contemplating about their decision. Firstly, we’re constantly being told their derby is the single biggest selling point we have when it comes to global perception and TV deals. So what does destroying the fabric of it do to it as a Scottish football asset? My colleagues in the Daily Record were debating it on Friday and one made the point that El Clasico survives just fine without away fans. Of course it does, because it’s one of the best games in the world. They could play it in a swamp and it would still be one of the best games in the world, because they have 22 of the best players in the world. Rangers and Celtic have none of the best players in the world, rounded to the nearest zero. The game’s notoriety, its infamy, its legend, is built entirely on its blood-curdling mayhem. Take that away and what are you left with? Interesting to see what Gerrard makes of it, especially as the first one he faces is away and their entire fan presence is in restricted view seats hidden behind a Parkhead pillar. Part two of it is the hypocrisy. It’s barely five weeks since Rangers were spluttering with more statement-based indignation at Hibs cutting their allocation at Easter Road. "First and foremost Rangers hopes the safety of our fans, who will now be in only one section of the South Stand rather than filling it completely, will not be compromised by this decision, which beggars belief.” So what about the safety of Celtic fans in that little Trivial Pursuit-sized wedge of Ibrox between the Broomloan and the Sandy Jardine? It’s an unpleasant enough experience in there as a Falkirk fan or one of any other diddy club, without the 10X magnification of hostilities their rivals bring out. Can’t imagine the police will be thrilled at the idea of the ingress and egress of 800 sandwiched-in Celtic supporters at the start and end of a 5-0 pumping. And the third thing is the inevitable tit for tat. They’ll say they don’t care but what if they’re bang in contention and suddenly have to go there to win the league? You think Rangers fans will still think it’s a great decision then? It’s disappointing Celtic responded in kind but they were damned if they did and damned if they didn’t - and the ‘didn’t’ bit would have come from their own fans, a PR hit they maybe rightly weren’t prepared to take. They can live with the rest of us seeing it as petty and small-minded. In amongst all that nonsense, you’ve also got the Gary Hughes debacle with the SFA. The Record broke the story in midweek that 12 years ago, in a trade publication when the self-confessed Celtic-supporter and now SFA Board member was in the publishing business, he referred to Rangers fans as "the great unwashed". The club’s indignation was statement manna from heaven, demanding suspensions and enquiries into the man they’ve always suspected deep down was a Peter Lawwell place-man, despite the need for his independence as a non-executive director, there to hold all the vested interests of the others in check. Another two things here - one, spare me faux outrage over the language used. For two clubs who sit around in glass houses lobbing boulders, in the grand Old Firm lexicon, calling rival fans "the great unwashed" is as close to clean football banter as the pair of them ever get in their vile world of Orange and Fenian bastards. It’s possibly the least offensive insult ever hurled their way. Two, though, is where they have him over a barrel and the SFA will ultimately be left with no choice. It’s not that Hughes isn’t allowed a past - and God knows this is far enough back in it - or to support a team, but they’ll be trotting this out every time there’s a decision goes a way they don’t like and claiming it’s tainted by the presence of "an enemy of the club". If his independence is compromised, then so is his role. None of this is winning Rangers any friends, nor do they or their PR operation care. The diplomacy of two years ago, of Stewart Robertson and Paul Murray talking fence-mending and contrition as their journey neared completion, is gone, replaced by Trump-esque bluster and confrontation. You’d think they’d learn at some point that the only statement they really need to make is to build a winning team. Anything else is just noise. ** Fair play to Partick Thistle for standing by Alan Archibald. They may yet regret it in terms of momentum but it shows integrity and human decency. Their new ‘Together We Are Thistle’ campaign slogan for the season ahead, though? They’ll definitely regret that when it comes to their social media… #TWAT. ** Livingston deserve all the praise they’re getting for their miracle ascent to the Premiership - and even more for their ticket prices now they’re there. Haven’t seen everyone else’s but at 15 quid a game and four quid for under-16s if you buy a season ticket, they merit their community getting behind them. But he’s taken on a graveyard of a club in Sunderland. The only plus point is it’s inconceivable a set-up of their stature can fall any lower, so hopefully between his smarts and the presence of a new owner, he’ll continue his success story. https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/rangers-only-cutting-celtics-allocation-12600028 I thought that was Tinsoldier - I still do !!
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27 May 2018, 09:23 AM
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Roy of the Rovers has had a reboot and his Melchester kit is made by Hummel.
Here's a guy that returns after a 17 year absence and he gets his Hummel top nae bother. Looks like fictional characters are more effective in doing shirt deals that Dodgy Dave.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-44239757
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27 May 2018, 09:48 AM
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Roy of the Rovers has had a reboot and his Melchester kit is made by Hummel. Here's a guy that returns after a 17 year absence and he gets his Hummel top nae bother. Looks like fictional characters are more effective in doing shirt deals that Dodgy Dave. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-44239757 That Roy of the Rovers can eff right off!
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27 May 2018, 09:57 AM
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Roy of the Rovers has had a reboot and his Melchester kit is made by Hummel. Here's a guy that returns after a 17 year absence and he gets his Hummel top nae bother. Looks like fictional characters are more effective in doing shirt deals that Dodgy Dave. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-44239757
That Roy of the Rovers can eff right off! This is better !
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Roy of the Rovers has had a reboot and his Melchester kit is made by Hummel. Here's a guy that returns after a 17 year absence and he gets his Hummel top nae bother. Looks like fictional characters are more effective in doing shirt deals that Dodgy Dave. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-44239757 Has Roy Race bought the history back yet?
Are rivals Melborough happy with the five way agreement?
Will Duncan McKay TUPE over or leave for the Ge55ard revolution?
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27 May 2018, 10:37 AM
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The huns have descended into such levels of fantasy that Duncan McKay is probably considered a viable upgrade on Russell Martin by many on FF.
Traynor will be pushing the idea on to Andy 'Devlin in the Detail' Devlin right now.
"I hear what you're saying Jim, big McKay would get tongues wagging, I'm just worried reader confidence is low after the Morelos and Skrtle fables".
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27 May 2018, 11:03 AM
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Looks like Jabba forgot to feed Waddell: "It’s about money, and how they can get their hands on more of it now. Not tomorrow, not at New Year, not after the split. Now". Spoiler: click to toggle Rangers are only cutting Celtic’s allocation so they can get their hands on the money NOW – Gordon WaddellThe Sunday Mail’s chief sports columnist believes the ticket move is all smoke and mirrors. ByGordon Waddell That’ll be the ‘building bridges’ phase of Rangers’ return to football civilisation over then, eh? So much for the promised reintegration and reconciliation. They’re back on the front foot, on the offensive, playing to the gallery the only way they know how - and it’s a pretty unedifying sight. The question is, though, how naive do you have to be to buy this week’s smoke and mirrors operation? The answer, it appears from the reaction, is ‘Just the right amount…’. On the surface, the sentiment of making sure their own supporters come first and last on their list of priorities is laudable. But this isn’t really about that. Nor is it really about the Old Firm game. It’s about money, and how they can get their hands on more of it now. Not tomorrow, not at New Year, not after the split. Now. In a week where they’ve been embarrassed by a false-flag pursuit of Martin Skrtel, a player they could never afford but courted anyway, then claimed they hadn’t to save face, it’s clear they need more money front-loaded and in a hurry. By cutting Celtic’s allocation from 8000 to 800, they lose out on 7200 x £50, twice a season, a decent lift when the up-front fans’ dough has long gone. However, if they think they can sell 5000 more season tickets in that stand by riding the Steven Gerrard tsunami and including the two Celtic games, bringing in a couple of million quid now, then it makes financial sense for them in the short term, especially if they don’t have any other sources of instant funding to get their new boss what he wants. What about the long-term consequences, though? Three things worth contemplating about their decision. Firstly, we’re constantly being told their derby is the single biggest selling point we have when it comes to global perception and TV deals. So what does destroying the fabric of it do to it as a Scottish football asset? My colleagues in the Daily Record were debating it on Friday and one made the point that El Clasico survives just fine without away fans. Of course it does, because it’s one of the best games in the world. They could play it in a swamp and it would still be one of the best games in the world, because they have 22 of the best players in the world. Rangers and Celtic have none of the best players in the world, rounded to the nearest zero. The game’s notoriety, its infamy, its legend, is built entirely on its blood-curdling mayhem. Take that away and what are you left with? Interesting to see what Gerrard makes of it, especially as the first one he faces is away and their entire fan presence is in restricted view seats hidden behind a Parkhead pillar. Part two of it is the hypocrisy. It’s barely five weeks since Rangers were spluttering with more statement-based indignation at Hibs cutting their allocation at Easter Road. "First and foremost Rangers hopes the safety of our fans, who will now be in only one section of the South Stand rather than filling it completely, will not be compromised by this decision, which beggars belief.” So what about the safety of Celtic fans in that little Trivial Pursuit-sized wedge of Ibrox between the Broomloan and the Sandy Jardine? It’s an unpleasant enough experience in there as a Falkirk fan or one of any other diddy club, without the 10X magnification of hostilities their rivals bring out. Can’t imagine the police will be thrilled at the idea of the ingress and egress of 800 sandwiched-in Celtic supporters at the start and end of a 5-0 pumping. And the third thing is the inevitable tit for tat. They’ll say they don’t care but what if they’re bang in contention and suddenly have to go there to win the league? You think Rangers fans will still think it’s a great decision then? It’s disappointing Celtic responded in kind but they were damned if they did and damned if they didn’t - and the ‘didn’t’ bit would have come from their own fans, a PR hit they maybe rightly weren’t prepared to take. They can live with the rest of us seeing it as petty and small-minded. In amongst all that nonsense, you’ve also got the Gary Hughes debacle with the SFA. The Record broke the story in midweek that 12 years ago, in a trade publication when the self-confessed Celtic-supporter and now SFA Board member was in the publishing business, he referred to Rangers fans as "the great unwashed". The club’s indignation was statement manna from heaven, demanding suspensions and enquiries into the man they’ve always suspected deep down was a Peter Lawwell place-man, despite the need for his independence as a non-executive director, there to hold all the vested interests of the others in check. Another two things here - one, spare me faux outrage over the language used. For two clubs who sit around in glass houses lobbing boulders, in the grand Old Firm lexicon, calling rival fans "the great unwashed" is as close to clean football banter as the pair of them ever get in their vile world of Orange and Fenian bastards. It’s possibly the least offensive insult ever hurled their way. Two, though, is where they have him over a barrel and the SFA will ultimately be left with no choice. It’s not that Hughes isn’t allowed a past - and God knows this is far enough back in it - or to support a team, but they’ll be trotting this out every time there’s a decision goes a way they don’t like and claiming it’s tainted by the presence of "an enemy of the club". If his independence is compromised, then so is his role. None of this is winning Rangers any friends, nor do they or their PR operation care. The diplomacy of two years ago, of Stewart Robertson and Paul Murray talking fence-mending and contrition as their journey neared completion, is gone, replaced by Trump-esque bluster and confrontation. You’d think they’d learn at some point that the only statement they really need to make is to build a winning team. Anything else is just noise. ** Fair play to Partick Thistle for standing by Alan Archibald. They may yet regret it in terms of momentum but it shows integrity and human decency. Their new ‘Together We Are Thistle’ campaign slogan for the season ahead, though? They’ll definitely regret that when it comes to their social media… #TWAT. ** Livingston deserve all the praise they’re getting for their miracle ascent to the Premiership - and even more for their ticket prices now they’re there. Haven’t seen everyone else’s but at 15 quid a game and four quid for under-16s if you buy a season ticket, they merit their community getting behind them. But he’s taken on a graveyard of a club in Sunderland. The only plus point is it’s inconceivable a set-up of their stature can fall any lower, so hopefully between his smarts and the presence of a new owner, he’ll continue his success story. https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/rangers-only-cutting-celtics-allocation-12600028 I saw that myself earlier this morning and was quite taken aback to see something approaching the truth about sevco in the SMSM. We've had a glut of billy feel-good stories , shameless propaganda aimed at getting Scotland's shame on board for a season ticket. It's been one lorry load of horse shampoo after another and as ever billy's been only too happy to wolf it down. They must be inured to it by now. They'll be back down to earth with a bang before the Autumn's out
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27 May 2018, 11:15 AM
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Looks like Jabba forgot to feed Waddell: "It’s about money, and how they can get their hands on more of it now. Not tomorrow, not at New Year, not after the split. Now". Spoiler: click to toggle Rangers are only cutting Celtic’s allocation so they can get their hands on the money NOW – Gordon WaddellThe Sunday Mail’s chief sports columnist believes the ticket move is all smoke and mirrors. ByGordon Waddell That’ll be the ‘building bridges’ phase of Rangers’ return to football civilisation over then, eh? So much for the promised reintegration and reconciliation. They’re back on the front foot, on the offensive, playing to the gallery the only way they know how - and it’s a pretty unedifying sight. The question is, though, how naive do you have to be to buy this week’s smoke and mirrors operation? The answer, it appears from the reaction, is ‘Just the right amount…’. On the surface, the sentiment of making sure their own supporters come first and last on their list of priorities is laudable. But this isn’t really about that. Nor is it really about the Old Firm game. It’s about money, and how they can get their hands on more of it now. Not tomorrow, not at New Year, not after the split. Now. In a week where they’ve been embarrassed by a false-flag pursuit of Martin Skrtel, a player they could never afford but courted anyway, then claimed they hadn’t to save face, it’s clear they need more money front-loaded and in a hurry. By cutting Celtic’s allocation from 8000 to 800, they lose out on 7200 x £50, twice a season, a decent lift when the up-front fans’ dough has long gone. However, if they think they can sell 5000 more season tickets in that stand by riding the Steven Gerrard tsunami and including the two Celtic games, bringing in a couple of million quid now, then it makes financial sense for them in the short term, especially if they don’t have any other sources of instant funding to get their new boss what he wants. What about the long-term consequences, though? Three things worth contemplating about their decision. Firstly, we’re constantly being told their derby is the single biggest selling point we have when it comes to global perception and TV deals. So what does destroying the fabric of it do to it as a Scottish football asset? My colleagues in the Daily Record were debating it on Friday and one made the point that El Clasico survives just fine without away fans. Of course it does, because it’s one of the best games in the world. They could play it in a swamp and it would still be one of the best games in the world, because they have 22 of the best players in the world. Rangers and Celtic have none of the best players in the world, rounded to the nearest zero. The game’s notoriety, its infamy, its legend, is built entirely on its blood-curdling mayhem. Take that away and what are you left with? Interesting to see what Gerrard makes of it, especially as the first one he faces is away and their entire fan presence is in restricted view seats hidden behind a Parkhead pillar. Part two of it is the hypocrisy. It’s barely five weeks since Rangers were spluttering with more statement-based indignation at Hibs cutting their allocation at Easter Road. "First and foremost Rangers hopes the safety of our fans, who will now be in only one section of the South Stand rather than filling it completely, will not be compromised by this decision, which beggars belief.” So what about the safety of Celtic fans in that little Trivial Pursuit-sized wedge of Ibrox between the Broomloan and the Sandy Jardine? It’s an unpleasant enough experience in there as a Falkirk fan or one of any other diddy club, without the 10X magnification of hostilities their rivals bring out. Can’t imagine the police will be thrilled at the idea of the ingress and egress of 800 sandwiched-in Celtic supporters at the start and end of a 5-0 pumping. And the third thing is the inevitable tit for tat. They’ll say they don’t care but what if they’re bang in contention and suddenly have to go there to win the league? You think Rangers fans will still think it’s a great decision then? It’s disappointing Celtic responded in kind but they were damned if they did and damned if they didn’t - and the ‘didn’t’ bit would have come from their own fans, a PR hit they maybe rightly weren’t prepared to take. They can live with the rest of us seeing it as petty and small-minded. In amongst all that nonsense, you’ve also got the Gary Hughes debacle with the SFA. The Record broke the story in midweek that 12 years ago, in a trade publication when the self-confessed Celtic-supporter and now SFA Board member was in the publishing business, he referred to Rangers fans as "the great unwashed". The club’s indignation was statement manna from heaven, demanding suspensions and enquiries into the man they’ve always suspected deep down was a Peter Lawwell place-man, despite the need for his independence as a non-executive director, there to hold all the vested interests of the others in check. Another two things here - one, spare me faux outrage over the language used. For two clubs who sit around in glass houses lobbing boulders, in the grand Old Firm lexicon, calling rival fans "the great unwashed" is as close to clean football banter as the pair of them ever get in their vile world of Orange and Fenian bastards. It’s possibly the least offensive insult ever hurled their way. Two, though, is where they have him over a barrel and the SFA will ultimately be left with no choice. It’s not that Hughes isn’t allowed a past - and God knows this is far enough back in it - or to support a team, but they’ll be trotting this out every time there’s a decision goes a way they don’t like and claiming it’s tainted by the presence of "an enemy of the club". If his independence is compromised, then so is his role. None of this is winning Rangers any friends, nor do they or their PR operation care. The diplomacy of two years ago, of Stewart Robertson and Paul Murray talking fence-mending and contrition as their journey neared completion, is gone, replaced by Trump-esque bluster and confrontation. You’d think they’d learn at some point that the only statement they really need to make is to build a winning team. Anything else is just noise. ** Fair play to Partick Thistle for standing by Alan Archibald. They may yet regret it in terms of momentum but it shows integrity and human decency. Their new ‘Together We Are Thistle’ campaign slogan for the season ahead, though? They’ll definitely regret that when it comes to their social media… #TWAT. ** Livingston deserve all the praise they’re getting for their miracle ascent to the Premiership - and even more for their ticket prices now they’re there. Haven’t seen everyone else’s but at 15 quid a game and four quid for under-16s if you buy a season ticket, they merit their community getting behind them. But he’s taken on a graveyard of a club in Sunderland. The only plus point is it’s inconceivable a set-up of their stature can fall any lower, so hopefully between his smarts and the presence of a new owner, he’ll continue his success story. https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/rangers-only-cutting-celtics-allocation-12600028
I thought that was Tinsoldier - I still do !! "Vile world of Orange and Fenian Barstewards".
Because being a Catholic is directly equivalent to being a supremacist bigot. What a clown, someone should pull him up for that.
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27 May 2018, 11:35 AM
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Working behind enemy lines
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Blue and orange strips? Nah.
Celtic tartan however...... Funny you should mention that.
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27 May 2018, 11:35 AM
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- 27 May 2018, 07:56 AM
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- 27 May 2018, 07:37 AM
Weird how they believe we are raging etc about the allocation cut. I suppose when you haven't won anything outside the Ramsden Cup (you aren't allowed to take your name off it huns), seating arrangements become their equivalent of a treble.
Every little cause or protest point has been accentuated by the long standing misery and day to day dystopian existence of the average Sevco fanatic. Think on what they have been through these last few years as we've been celebrating 125, beating Barca, securing Brendan, winning Double Trebles and horsing them when they appeared as a new Rangers. We had two years under Ronny winning League titles and we were pulling our hair out toward the end, they have been sleepwalking through a journey that would give Anthony Burgess nightmares, not two weeks pass before a new fire needs extinguished or a skeleton emerges from a cupboard somewhere. In the midst of this madness chancers keep popping up offering salvation to these poor, miserable wretches. The head of the average zombie is now so far gone any solace, no matter how obscure, meaningless or fraudulent becomes the latest elixir of staunchness. A Clockwork Orange Bastard
Viddy well, brothers. Expect a real horrorshow tolchock to the yarbles
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27 May 2018, 12:02 PM
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- 27 May 2018, 08:54 AM
Looks like Jabba forgot to feed Waddell: "It’s about money, and how they can get their hands on more of it now. Not tomorrow, not at New Year, not after the split. Now". Spoiler: click to toggle Rangers are only cutting Celtic’s allocation so they can get their hands on the money NOW – Gordon WaddellThe Sunday Mail’s chief sports columnist believes the ticket move is all smoke and mirrors. ByGordon Waddell That’ll be the ‘building bridges’ phase of Rangers’ return to football civilisation over then, eh? So much for the promised reintegration and reconciliation. They’re back on the front foot, on the offensive, playing to the gallery the only way they know how - and it’s a pretty unedifying sight. The question is, though, how naive do you have to be to buy this week’s smoke and mirrors operation? The answer, it appears from the reaction, is ‘Just the right amount…’. On the surface, the sentiment of making sure their own supporters come first and last on their list of priorities is laudable. But this isn’t really about that. Nor is it really about the Old Firm game. It’s about money, and how they can get their hands on more of it now. Not tomorrow, not at New Year, not after the split. Now. In a week where they’ve been embarrassed by a false-flag pursuit of Martin Skrtel, a player they could never afford but courted anyway, then claimed they hadn’t to save face, it’s clear they need more money front-loaded and in a hurry. By cutting Celtic’s allocation from 8000 to 800, they lose out on 7200 x £50, twice a season, a decent lift when the up-front fans’ dough has long gone. However, if they think they can sell 5000 more season tickets in that stand by riding the Steven Gerrard tsunami and including the two Celtic games, bringing in a couple of million quid now, then it makes financial sense for them in the short term, especially if they don’t have any other sources of instant funding to get their new boss what he wants. What about the long-term consequences, though? Three things worth contemplating about their decision. Firstly, we’re constantly being told their derby is the single biggest selling point we have when it comes to global perception and TV deals. So what does destroying the fabric of it do to it as a Scottish football asset? My colleagues in the Daily Record were debating it on Friday and one made the point that El Clasico survives just fine without away fans. Of course it does, because it’s one of the best games in the world. They could play it in a swamp and it would still be one of the best games in the world, because they have 22 of the best players in the world. Rangers and Celtic have none of the best players in the world, rounded to the nearest zero. The game’s notoriety, its infamy, its legend, is built entirely on its blood-curdling mayhem. Take that away and what are you left with? Interesting to see what Gerrard makes of it, especially as the first one he faces is away and their entire fan presence is in restricted view seats hidden behind a Parkhead pillar. Part two of it is the hypocrisy. It’s barely five weeks since Rangers were spluttering with more statement-based indignation at Hibs cutting their allocation at Easter Road. "First and foremost Rangers hopes the safety of our fans, who will now be in only one section of the South Stand rather than filling it completely, will not be compromised by this decision, which beggars belief.” So what about the safety of Celtic fans in that little Trivial Pursuit-sized wedge of Ibrox between the Broomloan and the Sandy Jardine? It’s an unpleasant enough experience in there as a Falkirk fan or one of any other diddy club, without the 10X magnification of hostilities their rivals bring out. Can’t imagine the police will be thrilled at the idea of the ingress and egress of 800 sandwiched-in Celtic supporters at the start and end of a 5-0 pumping. And the third thing is the inevitable tit for tat. They’ll say they don’t care but what if they’re bang in contention and suddenly have to go there to win the league? You think Rangers fans will still think it’s a great decision then? It’s disappointing Celtic responded in kind but they were damned if they did and damned if they didn’t - and the ‘didn’t’ bit would have come from their own fans, a PR hit they maybe rightly weren’t prepared to take. They can live with the rest of us seeing it as petty and small-minded. In amongst all that nonsense, you’ve also got the Gary Hughes debacle with the SFA. The Record broke the story in midweek that 12 years ago, in a trade publication when the self-confessed Celtic-supporter and now SFA Board member was in the publishing business, he referred to Rangers fans as "the great unwashed". The club’s indignation was statement manna from heaven, demanding suspensions and enquiries into the man they’ve always suspected deep down was a Peter Lawwell place-man, despite the need for his independence as a non-executive director, there to hold all the vested interests of the others in check. Another two things here - one, spare me faux outrage over the language used. For two clubs who sit around in glass houses lobbing boulders, in the grand Old Firm lexicon, calling rival fans "the great unwashed" is as close to clean football banter as the pair of them ever get in their vile world of Orange and Fenian bastards. It’s possibly the least offensive insult ever hurled their way. Two, though, is where they have him over a barrel and the SFA will ultimately be left with no choice. It’s not that Hughes isn’t allowed a past - and God knows this is far enough back in it - or to support a team, but they’ll be trotting this out every time there’s a decision goes a way they don’t like and claiming it’s tainted by the presence of "an enemy of the club". If his independence is compromised, then so is his role. None of this is winning Rangers any friends, nor do they or their PR operation care. The diplomacy of two years ago, of Stewart Robertson and Paul Murray talking fence-mending and contrition as their journey neared completion, is gone, replaced by Trump-esque bluster and confrontation. You’d think they’d learn at some point that the only statement they really need to make is to build a winning team. Anything else is just noise. ** Fair play to Partick Thistle for standing by Alan Archibald. They may yet regret it in terms of momentum but it shows integrity and human decency. Their new ‘Together We Are Thistle’ campaign slogan for the season ahead, though? They’ll definitely regret that when it comes to their social media… #TWAT. ** Livingston deserve all the praise they’re getting for their miracle ascent to the Premiership - and even more for their ticket prices now they’re there. Haven’t seen everyone else’s but at 15 quid a game and four quid for under-16s if you buy a season ticket, they merit their community getting behind them. But he’s taken on a graveyard of a club in Sunderland. The only plus point is it’s inconceivable a set-up of their stature can fall any lower, so hopefully between his smarts and the presence of a new owner, he’ll continue his success story. https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/rangers-only-cutting-celtics-allocation-12600028
I saw that myself earlier this morning and was quite taken aback to see something approaching the truth about sevco in the SMSM. We've had a glut of billy feel-good stories , shameless propaganda aimed at getting Scotland's shame on board for a season ticket. It's been one lorry load of horse shampoo after another and as ever billy's been only too happy to wolf it down. They must be inured to it by now. They'll be back down to earth with a bang before the Autumn's out If they need extra money that badly then it suggests that the additional finance that was required from the GASL may not have materialised. And that may explain the abrupt departure of Paul Murray. It looks like he may value his ICAS membership more than his club blazer.
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27 May 2018, 12:08 PM
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- 27 May 2018, 11:35 AM
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Blue and orange strips? Nah.
Celtic tartan however......
Funny you should mention that.
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27 May 2018, 12:34 PM
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- 27 May 2018, 07:56 AM
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- 27 May 2018, 07:37 AM
Weird how they believe we are raging etc about the allocation cut. I suppose when you haven't won anything outside the Ramsden Cup (you aren't allowed to take your name off it huns), seating arrangements become their equivalent of a treble.
Every little cause or protest point has been accentuated by the long standing misery and day to day dystopian existence of the average Sevco fanatic. Think on what they have been through these last few years as we've been celebrating 125, beating Barca, securing Brendan, winning Double Trebles and horsing them when they appeared as a new Rangers. We had two years under Ronny winning League titles and we were pulling our hair out toward the end, they have been sleepwalking through a journey that would give Anthony Burgess nightmares, not two weeks pass before a new fire needs extinguished or a skeleton emerges from a cupboard somewhere. In the midst of this madness chancers keep popping up offering salvation to these poor, miserable wretches. The head of the average zombie is now so far gone any solace, no matter how obscure, meaningless or fraudulent becomes the latest elixir of staunchness. Superb post. I'm not even sure I want them to die anymore.....nah flock 'em. Die die die die ya huns.
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27 May 2018, 01:13 PM
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- 27 May 2018, 07:37 AM
Weird how they believe we are raging etc about the allocation cut. I suppose when you haven't won anything outside the Ramsden Cup (you aren't allowed to take your name off it huns), seating arrangements become their equivalent of a treble.
Every little cause or protest point has been accentuated by the long standing misery and day to day dystopian existence of the average Sevco fanatic. Think on what they have been through these last few years as we've been celebrating 125, beating Barca, securing Brendan, winning Double Trebles and horsing them when they appeared as a new Rangers. We had two years under Ronny winning League titles and we were pulling our hair out toward the end, they have been sleepwalking through a journey that would give Anthony Burgess nightmares, not two weeks pass before a new fire needs extinguished or a skeleton emerges from a cupboard somewhere. In the midst of this madness chancers keep popping up offering salvation to these poor, miserable wretches. The head of the average zombie is now so far gone any solace, no matter how obscure, meaningless or fraudulent becomes the latest elixir of staunchness.
Superb post. I'm not even sure I want them to die anymore.....nah flock 'em. Die die die die ya huns. EspanLOLification is already well underway.
Next stage Rival clubs of dignity
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27 May 2018, 03:48 PM
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Gerrard comes across as being thick as shampoo when he's a pundit or commontater and you can tell his messiah complex is going to cause some epic fall outs when the media, results and Huns go against him, I am looking forward to the fun.
Last night when a comment was made about him and sevco in the champions league obviously in jest he actually answered seriously....nope no talk of the champions league yet, it's all about the first game...you could just imagine the watching Huns standing and clapping, they are lapping this pish up and the fall is going to be amazing to witness.
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27 May 2018, 04:04 PM
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In hindsight I'm surprised sevco never went for Lampard as boss actually, he's a fan afterall
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27 May 2018, 05:02 PM
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- 27 May 2018, 04:04 PM
In hindsight I'm surprised sevco never went for Lampard as boss actually, he's a fan afterall A Sevco fan??
Thought he was a West Ham fan?
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27 May 2018, 05:12 PM
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- 27 May 2018, 05:02 PM
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- 27 May 2018, 04:04 PM
In hindsight I'm surprised sevco never went for Lampard as boss actually, he's a fan afterall
A Sevco fan?? Thought he was a West Ham fan? Played for Chelsea, ergo must be a rangers fan.
Brothers in arms, quintessential British teams together, fans fought together at the Battle of Manchester, etc.
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27 May 2018, 05:55 PM
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- 27 May 2018, 04:04 PM
In hindsight I'm surprised sevco never went for Lampard as boss actually, he's a fan afterall
A Sevco fan?? Thought he was a West Ham fan?
Played for Chelsea, ergo must be a rangers fan. Brothers in arms, quintessential British teams together, fans fought together at the Battle of Manchester, etc. He is by the way, quite easy to read about doing a google search. Can't be bothered to copy and paste links, articles, but it is there.
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