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The All New Sevco Back in Yer Bin Thread; Taking out the trash
Topic Started: 29 Apr 2018, 04:24 PM (2,086,740 Views)
Gothamcelt
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DhenBhoy
26 May 2018, 09:06 AM
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26 May 2018, 09:03 AM
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26 May 2018, 08:53 AM

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I dont mean season tickets. Dhenbhoy was saying match tickets ?

Maybe cross wires on my part.
He's selling the matchday tickets in advance, as season tickets. My apologises for not making it crystal clear but I assumed it was easy to understand.
Don't think he is selling match day tickets in advance as those that have season tickets for the Broomloan Road stand have had no increase in their season ticket price.

It may be his intention to sell them to the season ticket holders in the Broomloan Road, but he hasn't done it yet.
He has only put out another soundbite via the media and not contacted any season ticket holder to ask them if they want a ticket for the two Celtic games or to tell them that their season tickets price has increased by £100.

Someone mentioned about the safety and security issues regarding segregation of Celtic and rangers fans with the cutting our allocation.
Imagine Dodgy Dave selling the tickets for these games to his own fans only to be told that he cannot do this because of safety fears and would have to sell the tickets to Celtic.

That would be schadenfreude.
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26 May 2018, 09:47 AM
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26 May 2018, 09:03 AM

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He's selling the matchday tickets in advance, as season tickets. My apologises for not making it crystal clear but I assumed it was easy to understand.
Don't think he is selling match day tickets in advance as those that have season tickets for the Broomloan Road stand have had no increase in their season ticket price.

It may be his intention to sell them to the season ticket holders in the Broomloan Road, but he hasn't done it yet.
He has only put out another soundbite via the media and not contacted any season ticket holder to ask them if they want a ticket for the two Celtic games or to tell them that their season tickets price has increased by £100.

Someone mentioned about the safety and security issues regarding segregation of Celtic and rangers fans with the cutting our allocation.
Imagine Dodgy Dave selling the tickets for these games to his own fans only to be told that he cannot do this because of safety fears and would have to sell the tickets to Celtic.

That would be schadenfreude.
If are not offering the seats the Broomloan is relocated to as ST books there's no financial difference at all.

Those 2 games are one-offs. Either we pay it or they do. There's no additional ST's available, which the huns seem to think there is.

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Isn't there a League rule that caps the number of season tickets as a percentage of capacity? That's why our limit is 52000 leaving 8000 walk up seats.
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26 May 2018, 10:07 AM
Isn't there a League rule that caps the number of season tickets as a percentage of capacity? That's why our limit is 52000 leaving 8000 walk up seats.
That's what I thought, wasn't sure as I can't see why that would bother the authorities or it needed to a rule?

What is the reason for that ?

Edit: I thought it was a club decision in order that all supporters at least got the chance to see some of the matches rather than limit it to the capacity of the stadium. It also meant they didn't discount every seat. Assuming the match day ticket price exceeds the ST book cost?
Edited by DhenBhoy, 26 May 2018, 10:22 AM.
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26 May 2018, 08:53 AM
Wee Barry and Chris Sutton have different viewpoints on ticket allocation at Ibrox.
There's only one way to sort this...FIGHT!

Rangers decision to cut Celtic's ticket allocation was justified as it will generate money for Steven Gerrard - Barry Ferguson
The Ibrox legend recognises that the derby atmosphere might change but he says it's the right thing to do.
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Rangers board have put Scottish football back years with farcical Celtic ticket decision - Chris Sutton
Chris is less than impressed with the decision and thinks it will have a detrimental effect on the big games.
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Sutton is living in the past. He still thinks Celtic vs Team Playing Out of Ibrokes is important for Scottish football, and gives the fixture more credence than it deserves (yes I still hate the huns, same flies, different shampoo etc). They need the rivalry more than we do, by killing the atmosphere at these games they're spitting in the face of every idiot who bleated on about armageddon, and disgraced themselves bending the rules to keep their precious old firm fixture and the tv money rolling in. This latest measure is short-termism in more ways than one by King, I'll wager quite a lot of folk outwith Celtic will be furious with him.

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25 May 2018, 09:11 AM

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I think you're looking at it from the wrong perspective. I guess it's easier to police 42k raging sevconians than 49k
Logic surely suggest that not only is it easier to police a smaller away support that has been reduced to a tenth of its previous size, but that the policing bill that comes with it is also likely to be a lot smaller.
Still need to police the 7,000 pay on the day huns that have now been funneled into their usual ways in and out, cos they'll still need to segregate outside the stadium and a safe route to the city. Polis will probably kybosh it.
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26 May 2018, 10:20 AM
Gothamcelt
26 May 2018, 08:53 AM
Wee Barry and Chris Sutton have different viewpoints on ticket allocation at Ibrox.
There's only one way to sort this...FIGHT!

Rangers decision to cut Celtic's ticket allocation was justified as it will generate money for Steven Gerrard - Barry Ferguson
The Ibrox legend recognises that the derby atmosphere might change but he says it's the right thing to do.
Spoiler: click to toggle

Rangers board have put Scottish football back years with farcical Celtic ticket decision - Chris Sutton
Chris is less than impressed with the decision and thinks it will have a detrimental effect on the big games.
Spoiler: click to toggle

Sutton is living in the past. He still thinks Celtic vs Team Playing Out of Ibrokes is important for Scottish football, and gives the fixture more credence than it deserves (yes I still hate the huns, same flies, different shampoo etc). They need the rivalry more than we do, by killing the atmosphere at these games they're spitting in the face of every idiot who bleated on about armageddon, and disgraced themselves bending the rules to keep their precious old firm fixture and the tv money rolling in. This latest measure is short-termism in more ways than one by King, I'll wager quite a lot of folk outwith Celtic will be furious with him.

In Scotland things may be different.

However the fixture (defunct as it is now) always has been the attraction for the media broadcasters when negotiating any TV deals.

I'm not sure anyone would disagree with that. We may not like it, but that is the reality, imo
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Less match day tickets and more season books

Dhenbhoy
 
Those 2 games are one-offs. Either we pay it or they do. There's no additional ST's available, which the huns seem to think there is.


You are Dave King and I claim my £5....
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DhenBhoy
26 May 2018, 10:27 AM
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26 May 2018, 10:20 AM
Gothamcelt
26 May 2018, 08:53 AM
Wee Barry and Chris Sutton have different viewpoints on ticket allocation at Ibrox.
There's only one way to sort this...FIGHT!

Rangers decision to cut Celtic's ticket allocation was justified as it will generate money for Steven Gerrard - Barry Ferguson
The Ibrox legend recognises that the derby atmosphere might change but he says it's the right thing to do.
Spoiler: click to toggle

Rangers board have put Scottish football back years with farcical Celtic ticket decision - Chris Sutton
Chris is less than impressed with the decision and thinks it will have a detrimental effect on the big games.
Spoiler: click to toggle

Sutton is living in the past. He still thinks Celtic vs Team Playing Out of Ibrokes is important for Scottish football, and gives the fixture more credence than it deserves (yes I still hate the huns, same flies, different shampoo etc). They need the rivalry more than we do, by killing the atmosphere at these games they're spitting in the face of every idiot who bleated on about armageddon, and disgraced themselves bending the rules to keep their precious old firm fixture and the tv money rolling in. This latest measure is short-termism in more ways than one by King, I'll wager quite a lot of folk outwith Celtic will be furious with him.

In Scotland things may be different.

However the fixture (defunct as it is now) always has been the attraction for the media broadcasters when negotiating any TV deals.

I'm not sure anyone would disagree with that. We may not like it, but that is the reality, imo
I think you're agreeing with me here. We don't need that money nearly as much as other teams do. We're insulated by having an expensive squad and multiple revenue sources, including the opportunity to play European football. The huns are shooting themselves in the foot, and probably quite a few other folk too. The one team this will have minimum impact on (and actually help us shed the hated Old Firm association), is us.

Edit: Maybe I'm contradicting myself here by conflating our own interests with Scottish Football. I guess what I mean is that the club this hurts the least is us, and regardless of tv money I think Scottish football will be better off without them.
Edited by Tenenbaum, 26 May 2018, 10:55 AM.
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King has just lost his twice-monthly home gate funds that basically pay the electric bill, this could be fun.
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davebhoy
26 May 2018, 10:40 AM
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Less match day tickets and more season books

Dhenbhoy
 
Those 2 games are one-offs. Either we pay it or they do. There's no additional ST's available, which the huns seem to think there is.


You are Dave King and I claim my £5....
I'm clearly talking about the "Broonloan seats only" in the latter.

Context is everything ...

I PM you'll a list of questions to answer so I can transfer the fiver. They may seem extensive but trust me.
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26 May 2018, 10:20 AM
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26 May 2018, 08:53 AM
Wee Barry and Chris Sutton have different viewpoints on ticket allocation at Ibrox.
There's only one way to sort this...FIGHT!

Rangers decision to cut Celtic's ticket allocation was justified as it will generate money for Steven Gerrard - Barry Ferguson
The Ibrox legend recognises that the derby atmosphere might change but he says it's the right thing to do.
Spoiler: click to toggle

Rangers board have put Scottish football back years with farcical Celtic ticket decision - Chris Sutton
Chris is less than impressed with the decision and thinks it will have a detrimental effect on the big games.
Spoiler: click to toggle

Sutton is living in the past. He still thinks Celtic vs Team Playing Out of Ibrokes is important for Scottish football, and gives the fixture more credence than it deserves (yes I still hate the huns, same flies, different shampoo etc). They need the rivalry more than we do, by killing the atmosphere at these games they're spitting in the face of every idiot who bleated on about armageddon, and disgraced themselves bending the rules to keep their precious old firm fixture and the tv money rolling in. This latest measure is short-termism in more ways than one by King, I'll wager quite a lot of folk outwith Celtic will be furious with him.

Barry says that two games against Celtic (without Celtic fans) generates £2.5 million pounds for Gerry fae Liverpool's transfer budget.
:coffee:
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26 May 2018, 10:20 AM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deepRangers decision to cut Celtic's ticket allocation was justified as it will generate money for Steven Gerrard - Barry Ferguson
The Ibrox legend recognises that the derby atmosphere might change but he says it's the right thing to do.
Spoiler: click to toggle

Rangers board have put Scottish football back years with farcical Celtic ticket decision - Chris Sutton
Chris is less than impressed with the decision and thinks it will have a detrimental effect on the big games.
Spoiler: click to toggle
In Scotland things may be different.

However the fixture (defunct as it is now) always has been the attraction for the media broadcasters when negotiating any TV deals.

I'm not sure anyone would disagree with that. We may not like it, but that is the reality, imo
I think you're agreeing with me here. We don't need that money nearly as much as other teams do. We're insulated by having an expensive squad and multiple revenue sources, including the opportunity to play European football. The huns are shooting themselves in the foot, and probably quite a few other folk too. The one team this will have minimum impact on (and actually help us shed the hated Old Firm association), is us.

Edit: Maybe I'm contradicting myself here by conflating our own interests with Scottish Football. I guess what I mean is that the club this hurts the least is us, and regardless of tv money I think Scottish football will be better off without them.
Totally agree, we will not notice any real impact.


However for the authorities negotiating rights deals, it is not a tick in the pros column.
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26 May 2018, 09:43 AM
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26 May 2018, 09:02 AM

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Tickets for the Broomloan could have been sold without including games against us. So all he will get is 7500 x £50 x 2...an extra £750k. This is not about an extra £3m, it about pandering to the lowest common denominator in their support who do not want to have us still celebrating in their midden with the other three sides empty.
NO: You're looking at it wrong .. even then they wouldn't get anything since we already pay the fifty quid for those seats.

They're stating they will release the match day tickets those seats are shifted to as ST books.

Less match day tickets and more season books.

Those that attend on a less regular basis will have less opportunity to get tickets.

Are their season books not capped at 42k at present? They will will rise to 49/50k
They claim to sell out the midden for every home game so there can be no extra money unless prices are raised. The only thing this does is front loads the money they would receive on sales of individual match day tickets, provided that that actually do sell more season tickets.

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26 May 2018, 11:05 AM
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26 May 2018, 09:34 AM

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NO: You're looking at it wrong .. even then they wouldn't get anything since we already pay the fifty quid for those seats.

They're stating they will release the match day tickets those seats are shifted to as ST books.

Less match day tickets and more season books.

Those that attend on a less regular basis will have less opportunity to get tickets.

Are their season books not capped at 42k at present? They will will rise to 49/50k
They claim to sell out the midden for every home game so there can be no extra money unless prices are raised. The only thing this does is front loads the money they would receive on sales of individual match day tickets, provided that that actually do sell more season tickets.

That's what I implied.

a) Not sure it will go ahead anyway.

b) There's no additional income, it's only front loaded.

c) If he gets away with it ... he's only doing it to ensure there's minimal financial loss if they walk away (heaven forbid)

There's no upside to this.

a) They get a red face when the cops pull it.
b) There's no additional seats, so only the 700/800k upfront that we provide anyway
c) He gets an additional 3m upfront which will likely be squandered and they need that to pay the bills throughout the season and then some.

It's smoke and mirrors to ensure they buy their STs ..

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26 May 2018, 08:53 AM
Wee Barry and Chris Sutton have different viewpoints on ticket allocation at Ibrox.
There's only one way to sort this...FIGHT!

Rangers decision to cut Celtic's ticket allocation was justified as it will generate money for Steven Gerrard - Barry Ferguson
The Ibrox legend recognises that the derby atmosphere might change but he says it's the right thing to do.
Spoiler: click to toggle

Rangers board have put Scottish football back years with farcical Celtic ticket decision - Chris Sutton
Chris is less than impressed with the decision and thinks it will have a detrimental effect on the big games.
Spoiler: click to toggle

Sutton is living in the past. He still thinks Celtic vs Team Playing Out of Ibrokes is important for Scottish football, and gives the fixture more credence than it deserves (yes I still hate the huns, same flies, different shampoo etc). They need the rivalry more than we do, by killing the atmosphere at these games they're spitting in the face of every idiot who bleated on about armageddon, and disgraced themselves bending the rules to keep their precious old firm fixture and the tv money rolling in. This latest measure is short-termism in more ways than one by King, I'll wager quite a lot of folk outwith Celtic will be furious with him.

Barry says that two games against Celtic (without Celtic fans) generates £2.5 million pounds for Gerry fae Liverpool's transfer budget.
:coffee:
Is it really any wonder Barry ended up bankrupt with such a grasp on maths. They’ll all be scratching their heads come new year when they’ve spent all the money and there’s no more coming in despite the fact that they’ve sold all these extra season tickets.

They’re all as thick as mince but but king will have them all onside because we’re not laughing at them from the broomloan anymore :lol:
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26 May 2018, 10:20 AM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deepRangers decision to cut Celtic's ticket allocation was justified as it will generate money for Steven Gerrard - Barry Ferguson
The Ibrox legend recognises that the derby atmosphere might change but he says it's the right thing to do.
Spoiler: click to toggle

Rangers board have put Scottish football back years with farcical Celtic ticket decision - Chris Sutton
Chris is less than impressed with the decision and thinks it will have a detrimental effect on the big games.
Spoiler: click to toggle
Barry says that two games against Celtic (without Celtic fans) generates £2.5 million pounds for Gerry fae Liverpool's transfer budget.
:coffee:
Is it really any wonder Barry ended up bankrupt with such a grasp on maths. They’ll all be scratching their heads come new year when they’ve spent all the money and there’s no more coming in despite the fact that they’ve sold all these extra season tickets.

They’re all as thick as mince but but king will have them all onside because we’re not laughing at them from the broomloan anymore :lol:
2 + 2 = WATP
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26 May 2018, 10:20 AM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deepRangers decision to cut Celtic's ticket allocation was justified as it will generate money for Steven Gerrard - Barry Ferguson
The Ibrox legend recognises that the derby atmosphere might change but he says it's the right thing to do.
Spoiler: click to toggle

Rangers board have put Scottish football back years with farcical Celtic ticket decision - Chris Sutton
Chris is less than impressed with the decision and thinks it will have a detrimental effect on the big games.
Spoiler: click to toggle
Barry says that two games against Celtic (without Celtic fans) generates £2.5 million pounds for Gerry fae Liverpool's transfer budget.
:coffee:
Is it really any wonder Barry ended up bankrupt with such a grasp on maths. They’ll all be scratching their heads come new year when they’ve spent all the money and there’s no more coming in despite the fact that they’ve sold all these extra season tickets.

They’re all as thick as mince but but king will have them all onside because we’re not laughing at them from the broomloan anymore :lol:
Barry made himself Bankrupt to avoid HMRC taxes - the man's a disgrace & hypocrite !

Transferred a lot to his wife a while ago . :suspect:

http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/news/15432374.Ex-Rangers_star_Barry_Ferguson_transferred_luxury_mansion_into_wife_s_name_before_bankruptcy/

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Edited by tenerifetim, 26 May 2018, 11:50 AM.
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All the huns I have spoken to think it's a great thing to cut the ticket allocation. They think the income from the move is good for the club however, they also say that they are sick of watching us enjoy ourselves after humping them at their midden which, I think, is the main reason for this move. :lol: I have not spoken to one single Celtic fan yet who thinks its a good decision yet which speaks volumes :)
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He's selling the match day tickets as Season books ... those are the extra 7-8k ST's that are being mentioned as raising 3m (I assume).

Dhenbhoy
 
Those 2 games are one-offs. Either we pay it or they do. There's no additional ST's available, which the huns seem to think there is.


Keep the fiver. If the questions are as confusing as your posts I won't have time to answer them. I'm nearly 64.......
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