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The All New Sevco Back in Yer Bin Thread; Taking out the trash
Topic Started: 29 Apr 2018, 04:24 PM (2,086,841 Views)
bigkev
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Tothecore
15 May 2018, 08:33 PM
Danny Ghirl 67
15 May 2018, 08:25 PM
"This new Notice of Complaint neglects to properly capture the provisions of prior agreements made between the Club and the SFA."

Why even raise that at this stage :ponder: An innocent party wouldn't need to be so defensive, surely? Other than to be menacing....

It definitely reads like " we still have those photos of you ,you don't want your wife to see" type of threat.
Aye we can add blackmail to their charge sheet. They are an absolute shower.
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Kingslim
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I don’t see this going anywhere at all.

At worst, they’ll be banned for a year from the SC. Some punishment for denying teams potential millions. We would have been in the CL and I don’t know what other team got hamstringed out of a place.

The SFA investigating themselves is a farce. Dickson is an SFA employee ffs.

They got away with the player registration via Bryson’s Law. This is small potatoes and UEFA will probably have feck all to do with it.

Someone can correct me if I’m wrong, but does this not now have the potential to blow up in our faces. Let’s say that UEFA do get involved and decide the SFA have effed up so badly that our clubs lose their right to compete in UEFA competitions for a year.

The irony being after years and years of hard work to expose the corruption, In essence, we end up the biggest losers AGAIN as we’ve potential CL money to lose, which could effectively lead to downsizing? I know that would be drastic measures but could be possible. Did the Italians get banned when they got done for corruption a while back?

Might work out better for them, the more the SFA are exposed

Wild theory obviously
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Kingslim
15 May 2018, 08:44 PM
I don’t see this going anywhere at all.

At worst, they’ll be banned for a year from the SC. Some punishment for denying teams potential millions. We would have been in the CL and I don’t know what other team got hamstringed out of a place.

The SFA investigating themselves is a farce. Dickson is an SFA employee ffs.

They got away with the player registration via Bryson’s Law. This is small potatoes and UEFA will probably have feck all to do with it.

Someone can correct me if I’m wrong, but does this not now have the potential to blow up in our faces. Let’s say that UEFA do get involved and decide the SFA have effed up so badly that our clubs lose their right to compete in UEFA competitions for a year.

The irony being after years and years of hard work to expose the corruption, In essence, we end up the biggest losers AGAIN as we’ve potential CL money to lose, which could effectively lead to downsizing? I know that would be drastic measures but could be possible. Did the Italians get banned when they got done for corruption a while back?

Might work out better for them, the more the SFA are exposed

Wild theory obviously
“Wild” is only one description. :lol:
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Kingslim
15 May 2018, 08:44 PM
I don’t see this going anywhere at all.

At worst, they’ll be banned for a year from the SC. Some punishment for denying teams potential millions. We would have been in the CL and I don’t know what other team got hamstringed out of a place.

The SFA investigating themselves is a farce. Dickson is an SFA employee ffs.

They got away with the player registration via Bryson’s Law. This is small potatoes and UEFA will probably have feck all to do with it.

Someone can correct me if I’m wrong, but does this not now have the potential to blow up in our faces. Let’s say that UEFA do get involved and decide the SFA have effed up so badly that our clubs lose their right to compete in UEFA competitions for a year.

The irony being after years and years of hard work to expose the corruption, In essence, we end up the biggest losers AGAIN as we’ve potential CL money to lose, which could effectively lead to downsizing? I know that would be drastic measures but could be possible. Did the Italians get banned when they got done for corruption a while back?

Might work out better for them, the more the SFA are exposed

Wild theory obviously
I don't see how a multi million pound fraud can look like small potatoes from any angle tbqh.
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15 May 2018, 08:12 PM
Asgardstreasure
15 May 2018, 07:45 PM
pablo5
15 May 2018, 07:22 PM
Hate to burst the bubble here, but the breach of regulations committed was by Old Rangers against the SFA.

The club didn't interact with UEFA directly and the SFA can probably show that they acted in good faith based on information given to them.

UEFA coming down on the club can't happen because there's not anything for them to get involved in.

However, given the severity of what happened (a team being licensed for Europe who were financially dodgy and could have caused UEFA problems) you'd imagine the SFA have to be seen to hammer them. You'd also expect that scrutiny should be a great deal stronger in the future.
The rewards that come with a euro licence are very high , even in the Europa league there's the chance to add several millions onto your turnover if you make the group stage.
Giving false information so as to obtain a licence which brings financial gain strikes me as potentially a criminal matter. A run in the CL is worth up to £30m, so this is bloody serious shampoo.
Of course, it's a different club playing out of aye-brokes these days, but if the SFA want to hang responsibility for this on sevco I won't protest. The punishment needs to have a strong deterrent effect. Clubs should understand that it will hurt them badly if they transgress on this.
There is potential criminality to this, but it follows that if that were something likely to be taken forward, the SFA wouldn't be touching it yet.

From a civil perspective, the old club broke the SFA regulations by presenting false information. What they gained by doing so, and indeed what they denied others, is pretty substantial, so a proportionate punishment ought to be sizeable.


If it is found that a breach has occurred then it would follow that Sevco pay up per the 5 way agreement.

The problem is that agreement doesn't translate to civil court. The wronged clubs who missed out would only have a claim for damages against the liquidated company and there's no point suing them...
Surely if the directors were party to the fraud they could be prosecuted as individuals and likely could be banned from directorships if found guilty
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Could the loss of income suffered by this fraud be termed football debts? If so doesn't the 5 way agreement make this payable by Sevco or am I talking shampooe?
Edited by CM1975, 15 May 2018, 09:04 PM.
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This pish from Sevco about the SFA being to blame for the license being granted is like a pickpocket blaming a mark for not being alert enough to prevent himself being dipped.
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fatboab
15 May 2018, 08:48 PM
Kingslim
15 May 2018, 08:44 PM
I don’t see this going anywhere at all.

At worst, they’ll be banned for a year from the SC. Some punishment for denying teams potential millions. We would have been in the CL and I don’t know what other team got hamstringed out of a place.

The SFA investigating themselves is a farce. Dickson is an SFA employee ffs.

They got away with the player registration via Bryson’s Law. This is small potatoes and UEFA will probably have feck all to do with it.

Someone can correct me if I’m wrong, but does this not now have the potential to blow up in our faces. Let’s say that UEFA do get involved and decide the SFA have effed up so badly that our clubs lose their right to compete in UEFA competitions for a year.

The irony being after years and years of hard work to expose the corruption, In essence, we end up the biggest losers AGAIN as we’ve potential CL money to lose, which could effectively lead to downsizing? I know that would be drastic measures but could be possible. Did the Italians get banned when they got done for corruption a while back?

Might work out better for them, the more the SFA are exposed

Wild theory obviously
“Wild” is only one description. :lol:
:lol:

Aye, awrite :nono: :lol:
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15 May 2018, 06:09 PM
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bigkev
15 May 2018, 05:54 PM
What punishments are on the table for their latest charges?

Strip them of the Malmo defeat?

Reverse their liquidation?
From STV -

Sanctions for the second rule breach range from a £1,000 fine up to "£5,000,000 and/or ejection from the Scottish Cup and/or exclusion from the Scottish Cup and/or any player registration restrictions and/or suspension and/or termination of membership and/or any sanction or disposal not expressly provided above".

£1000 it is, move on Timmy
Aye £1000 suspended sentence :lol:
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https://mobile.twitter.com/mattleslie74/status/996440921876115456/photo/1

Wham Gloves Special
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bigkev
15 May 2018, 08:44 PM
Tothecore
15 May 2018, 08:33 PM
Danny Ghirl 67
15 May 2018, 08:25 PM
"This new Notice of Complaint neglects to properly capture the provisions of prior agreements made between the Club and the SFA."

Why even raise that at this stage :ponder: An innocent party wouldn't need to be so defensive, surely? Other than to be menacing....

It definitely reads like " we still have those photos of you ,you don't want your wife to see" type of threat.
Aye we can add blackmail to their charge sheet. They are an absolute shower.
I think this refers to the 5 way agreement. The biggest disgrace in Scottish sporting history.
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Asgardstreasure
15 May 2018, 08:49 PM
Kingslim
15 May 2018, 08:44 PM
I don’t see this going anywhere at all.

At worst, they’ll be banned for a year from the SC. Some punishment for denying teams potential millions. We would have been in the CL and I don’t know what other team got hamstringed out of a place.

The SFA investigating themselves is a farce. Dickson is an SFA employee ffs.

They got away with the player registration via Bryson’s Law. This is small potatoes and UEFA will probably have feck all to do with it.

Someone can correct me if I’m wrong, but does this not now have the potential to blow up in our faces. Let’s say that UEFA do get involved and decide the SFA have effed up so badly that our clubs lose their right to compete in UEFA competitions for a year.

The irony being after years and years of hard work to expose the corruption, In essence, we end up the biggest losers AGAIN as we’ve potential CL money to lose, which could effectively lead to downsizing? I know that would be drastic measures but could be possible. Did the Italians get banned when they got done for corruption a while back?

Might work out better for them, the more the SFA are exposed

Wild theory obviously
I don't see how a multi million pound fraud can look like small potatoes from any angle tbqh.
I mean in terms of how it’s viewed and dealt with by the SFA.

I don’t see any other clubs being compensated and they’re likely to get a paltry fine. They got fined 250k for borderline match fixing.

Can see another whitewash on the horizon. Probably, a big part of why Regan has been bumped
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killiemad
15 May 2018, 09:16 PM
bigkev
15 May 2018, 08:44 PM
Tothecore
15 May 2018, 08:33 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deepThis new Notice of Complaint neglects to properly capture the provisions of prior agreements made between the Club and the SFA.
Aye we can add blackmail to their charge sheet. They are an absolute shower.
I think this refers to the 5 way agreement. The biggest disgrace in Scottish sporting history.
It would refer to clubs - plural - if it was the 5 way agreement. ;)
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Didn't mean that.
Edited by The user with no name, 15 May 2018, 09:21 PM.
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15 May 2018, 09:16 PM
bigkev
15 May 2018, 08:44 PM
Tothecore
15 May 2018, 08:33 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deepThis new Notice of Complaint neglects to properly capture the provisions of prior agreements made between the Club and the SFA.
Aye we can add blackmail to their charge sheet. They are an absolute shower.
I think this refers to the 5 way agreement. The biggest disgrace in Scottish sporting history.
Before or after Michael Johnston? :lol:
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15 May 2018, 04:51 PM
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15 May 2018, 04:29 PM
Burn them to the ground.

Or hit the 'company' with a fine they'll never pay and say no more about it.

What will they do, I wonder!
Imperfectly licenced but valid ...
Didn't know at the time so it's no cheating
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thats a pretty desperate statement, even by their standards.

Worried much? :)
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15 May 2018, 09:31 PM
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15 May 2018, 04:51 PM
Ned Rise
15 May 2018, 04:29 PM
Burn them to the ground.

Or hit the 'company' with a fine they'll never pay and say no more about it.

What will they do, I wonder!
Imperfectly licenced but valid ...
Didn't know at the time so it's no cheating
Pointless investigating anyway, the youth should get the money, won't someone think of the children.
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15 May 2018, 09:04 PM
This pish from Sevco about the SFA being to blame for the license being granted is like a pickpocket blaming a mark for not being alert enough to prevent himself being dipped.
They’re like the career criminal who moans about police harassment when they get lifted for the umpteenth time.
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Willie Wonka
15 May 2018, 09:35 PM
thats a pretty desperate statement, even by their standards.

Worried much? :)
They're ragin' :lol:
Slap it into the muppets :lolhuns:
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