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The All New Sevco Back in Yer Bin Thread; Taking out the trash
Topic Started: 29 Apr 2018, 04:24 PM (2,086,842 Views)
Darth Balls
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VerdeYBlanco
15 May 2018, 06:58 PM
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15 May 2018, 06:55 PM
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15 May 2018, 06:52 PM
The SFA have to be acting under pressure from UEFA or this announcement would never have left the confines of the Lodge.
UEFA head of licensing has already said there can be no sanction against sevco as it's a new club
What about the same association, though?
Yeah they can ban the SFA and it's member clubs from UEFA competitions
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15 May 2018, 06:58 PM
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15 May 2018, 06:55 PM

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What about the same association, though?
Yeah they can ban the SFA and it's member clubs from UEFA competitions
I know. I think that's where the pressure from UEFA will have come. Someone hasn't been straight with them.
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As enjoyable as it is to see the current incarnation of the hun worm wriggling on the hook it's disappointing (although certainly not unsurprising) to see that the Scottish footballing authorities seem to have got off scot-free with their collusion/incompetence (delete as appropriate) in this matter.
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15 May 2018, 07:00 PM
Pretty serious charges.

Mind the time they were fined 250k and said they were 'vindicated'?
Like the time the police allowed me to travel along the M77 at 78mph, after I’d paid £60 and accepted a three point endorsement on my licence
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lubolubo
15 May 2018, 03:51 PM
£1000 pounds fine (suspended) incoming.
And a five match suspension for Neil Lennon.
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Hate to burst the bubble here, but the breach of regulations committed was by Old Rangers against the SFA.

The club didn't interact with UEFA directly and the SFA can probably show that they acted in good faith based on information given to them.

UEFA coming down on the club can't happen because there's not anything for them to get involved in.

However, given the severity of what happened (a team being licensed for Europe who were financially dodgy and could have caused UEFA problems) you'd imagine the SFA have to be seen to hammer them. You'd also expect that scrutiny should be a great deal stronger in the future.
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pablo5
15 May 2018, 07:22 PM
Hate to burst the bubble here, but the breach of regulations committed was by Old Rangers against the SFA.

The club didn't interact with UEFA directly and the SFA can probably show that they acted in good faith based on information given to them.

UEFA coming down on the club can't happen because there's not anything for them to get involved in.

However, given the severity of what happened (a team being licensed for Europe who were financially dodgy and could have caused UEFA problems) you'd imagine the SFA have to be seen to hammer them. You'd also expect that scrutiny should be a great deal stronger in the future.
Bigger picture here. Someone may have :lol: committed fraud.
I've been saying for years we should be suing individuals, the time is now.
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MILLIGANS ISLAND
15 May 2018, 05:11 PM
Mcburnie is all different levels of pish. Please let this be true.
Nah, he's only one level of pish.
The pish level.
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tomtheleedstim
15 May 2018, 07:29 PM
pablo5
15 May 2018, 07:22 PM
Hate to burst the bubble here, but the breach of regulations committed was by Old Rangers against the SFA.

The club didn't interact with UEFA directly and the SFA can probably show that they acted in good faith based on information given to them.

UEFA coming down on the club can't happen because there's not anything for them to get involved in.

However, given the severity of what happened (a team being licensed for Europe who were financially dodgy and could have caused UEFA problems) you'd imagine the SFA have to be seen to hammer them. You'd also expect that scrutiny should be a great deal stronger in the future.
Bigger picture here. Someone may have :lol: committed fraud.
I've been saying for years we should be suing individuals, the time is now.
Yes, but the fraud was by Rangers against the SFA.

That's the civil side of it anyway.
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pablo5
15 May 2018, 07:42 PM
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15 May 2018, 07:29 PM
pablo5
15 May 2018, 07:22 PM
Hate to burst the bubble here, but the breach of regulations committed was by Old Rangers against the SFA.

The club didn't interact with UEFA directly and the SFA can probably show that they acted in good faith based on information given to them.

UEFA coming down on the club can't happen because there's not anything for them to get involved in.

However, given the severity of what happened (a team being licensed for Europe who were financially dodgy and could have caused UEFA problems) you'd imagine the SFA have to be seen to hammer them. You'd also expect that scrutiny should be a great deal stronger in the future.
Bigger picture here. Someone may have :lol: committed fraud.
I've been saying for years we should be suing individuals, the time is now.
Yes, but the fraud was by Rangers against the SFA.

That's the civil side of it anyway.
I'm far from being an expert but we were denied monies due to us. Shareholders, any shareholder, have been the victim of fraud surely? And the SFA (individuals within) were fully complicit.
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pablo5
15 May 2018, 07:22 PM
Hate to burst the bubble here, but the breach of regulations committed was by Old Rangers against the SFA.

The club didn't interact with UEFA directly and the SFA can probably show that they acted in good faith based on information given to them.

UEFA coming down on the club can't happen because there's not anything for them to get involved in.

However, given the severity of what happened (a team being licensed for Europe who were financially dodgy and could have caused UEFA problems) you'd imagine the SFA have to be seen to hammer them. You'd also expect that scrutiny should be a great deal stronger in the future.
The rewards that come with a euro licence are very high , even in the Europa league there's the chance to add several millions onto your turnover if you make the group stage.
Giving false information so as to obtain a licence which brings financial gain strikes me as potentially a criminal matter. A run in the CL is worth up to £30m, so this is bloody serious shampoo.
Of course, it's a different club playing out of aye-brokes these days, but if the SFA want to hang responsibility for this on sevco I won't protest. The punishment needs to have a strong deterrent effect. Clubs should understand that it will hurt them badly if they transgress on this.
Edited by Asgardstreasure, 15 May 2018, 07:47 PM.
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Asgardstreasure
15 May 2018, 07:45 PM
pablo5
15 May 2018, 07:22 PM
Hate to burst the bubble here, but the breach of regulations committed was by Old Rangers against the SFA.

The club didn't interact with UEFA directly and the SFA can probably show that they acted in good faith based on information given to them.

UEFA coming down on the club can't happen because there's not anything for them to get involved in.

However, given the severity of what happened (a team being licensed for Europe who were financially dodgy and could have caused UEFA problems) you'd imagine the SFA have to be seen to hammer them. You'd also expect that scrutiny should be a great deal stronger in the future.
The rewards that come with a euro licence are very high , even in the Europa league there's the chance to add several millions onto your turnover if you make the group stage.
Giving false information so as to obtain a licence which brings financial gain strikes me as potentially a criminal matter. A run in the CL is worth up to £30m, so this is bloody serious shampoo.
Of course, it's a different club playing out of aye-brokes these days, but if the SFA want to hang responsibility for this on sevco I won't protest. The punishment needs to have a strong deterrent effect. Clubs should understand that it will hurt them badly if they transgress on this.
That's the crux of the matter. Sevco can't have it both ways and neither can the SFA.
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Asgardstreasure
15 May 2018, 07:45 PM
pablo5
15 May 2018, 07:22 PM
Hate to burst the bubble here, but the breach of regulations committed was by Old Rangers against the SFA.

The club didn't interact with UEFA directly and the SFA can probably show that they acted in good faith based on information given to them.

UEFA coming down on the club can't happen because there's not anything for them to get involved in.

However, given the severity of what happened (a team being licensed for Europe who were financially dodgy and could have caused UEFA problems) you'd imagine the SFA have to be seen to hammer them. You'd also expect that scrutiny should be a great deal stronger in the future.
The rewards that come with a euro licence are very high , even in the Europa league there's the chance to add several millions onto your turnover if you make the group stage.
Giving false information so as to obtain a licence which brings financial gain strikes me as potentially a criminal matter. A run in the CL is worth up to £30m, so this is bloody serious shampoo.
Of course, it's a different club playing out of aye-brokes these days, but if the SFA want to hang responsibility for this on sevco I won't protest. The punishment needs to have a strong deterrent effect. Clubs should understand that it will hurt them badly if they transgress on this.
eff that. Fraud is committed by individuals. Let's get the relevant people in effing court.
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15 May 2018, 02:55 PM
Just randomly remembered they signed a guy called Billy King at one point in the journey :ffs:
Aye and the Hun announcer called him King Billy when naming the team before their games !!!
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15 May 2018, 02:55 PM
Just randomly remembered they signed a guy called Billy King at one point in the journey :ffs:
Aye and the Hun announcer called him King Billy when naming the team before their games !!!
Banter Declan.
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14 May 2018, 02:11 PM
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14 May 2018, 11:57 AM
This the same Scott Arfield who went to the same school as Mark Burchill - St Margaret's Academy?
And Danny Wilson.
And Liam Henderson and his Brothers.
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Asgardstreasure
15 May 2018, 07:45 PM
pablo5
15 May 2018, 07:22 PM
Hate to burst the bubble here, but the breach of regulations committed was by Old Rangers against the SFA.

The club didn't interact with UEFA directly and the SFA can probably show that they acted in good faith based on information given to them.

UEFA coming down on the club can't happen because there's not anything for them to get involved in.

However, given the severity of what happened (a team being licensed for Europe who were financially dodgy and could have caused UEFA problems) you'd imagine the SFA have to be seen to hammer them. You'd also expect that scrutiny should be a great deal stronger in the future.
The rewards that come with a euro licence are very high , even in the Europa league there's the chance to add several millions onto your turnover if you make the group stage.
Giving false information so as to obtain a licence which brings financial gain strikes me as potentially a criminal matter. A run in the CL is worth up to £30m, so this is bloody serious shampoo.
Of course, it's a different club playing out of aye-brokes these days, but if the SFA want to hang responsibility for this on sevco I won't protest. The punishment needs to have a strong deterrent effect. Clubs should understand that it will hurt them badly if they transgress on this.
There is potential criminality to this, but it follows that if that were something likely to be taken forward, the SFA wouldn't be touching it yet.

From a civil perspective, the old club broke the SFA regulations by presenting false information. What they gained by doing so, and indeed what they denied others, is pretty substantial, so a proportionate punishment ought to be sizeable.


If it is found that a breach has occurred then it would follow that Sevco pay up per the 5 way agreement.

The problem is that agreement doesn't translate to civil court. The wronged clubs who missed out would only have a claim for damages against the liquidated company and there's no point suing them...
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Asgardstreasure
15 May 2018, 07:45 PM
pablo5
15 May 2018, 07:22 PM
Hate to burst the bubble here, but the breach of regulations committed was by Old Rangers against the SFA.

The club didn't interact with UEFA directly and the SFA can probably show that they acted in good faith based on information given to them.

UEFA coming down on the club can't happen because there's not anything for them to get involved in.

However, given the severity of what happened (a team being licensed for Europe who were financially dodgy and could have caused UEFA problems) you'd imagine the SFA have to be seen to hammer them. You'd also expect that scrutiny should be a great deal stronger in the future.
The rewards that come with a euro licence are very high , even in the Europa league there's the chance to add several millions onto your turnover if you make the group stage.
Giving false information so as to obtain a licence which brings financial gain strikes me as potentially a criminal matter. A run in the CL is worth up to £30m, so this is bloody serious shampoo.
Of course, it's a different club playing out of aye-brokes these days, but if the SFA want to hang responsibility for this on sevco I won't protest. The punishment needs to have a strong deterrent effect. Clubs should understand that it will hurt them badly if they transgress on this.
Responsible organisations as a matter of policy will report suspected criminal activity to the Police.

The criteria that are normally used to decide whether a fraud has taken place are as follows

1 A pretence
2 A tangible result
3 A causal link between 1 and 2

If there is such a thing as an honest and professional reporter they should be challenging the sfa on this.
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"This new Notice of Complaint neglects to properly capture the provisions of prior agreements made between the Club and the SFA."

Why even raise that at this stage :ponder: An innocent party wouldn't need to be so defensive, surely? Other than to be menacing....

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15 May 2018, 08:25 PM
"This new Notice of Complaint neglects to properly capture the provisions of prior agreements made between the Club and the SFA."

Why even raise that at this stage :ponder: An innocent party wouldn't need to be so defensive, surely? Other than to be menacing....

It definitely reads like " we still have those photos of you ,you don't want your wife to see" type of threat.
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