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The All New Sevco Back in Yer Bin Thread; Taking out the trash
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Topic Started: 29 Apr 2018, 04:24 PM (2,086,957 Views)
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6 May 2018, 10:59 AM
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That wet wet wet bawbag singer is on that channel4 Lovejoy cooking show this morning
Wonder if he'll spout his pro sevco pish?
I remember a rumour about him when I was younger, apparently, saying he didn’t want catholics buying his records Might be pish pish rumour and even pisher records
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Can someone tell me if I've made this up? Did Capucho say he joined der Hun because he was so impressed with the passion Celtic fans showed in Seville and he thought der hun would be the same. Then he said he quickly realised it was not the case at all
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6 May 2018, 11:01 AM
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That wet wet wet bawbag singer is on that channel4 Lovejoy cooking show this morning
Wonder if he'll spout his pro sevco pish?
I remember a rumour about him when I was younger, apparently, saying he didn’t want catholics buying his records Might be pish I knew him as a teenager -absolute bollocks.
Was actually an alright bloke.
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6 May 2018, 11:07 AM
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I don't recall anyone suggesting that Real Madrid supporters were awaiting news of the next Sevco manager. The appointment of Gerrard isn't going to suddenly signal a return to the halcyon days of the sixties and seventies when Scottish football was relevant, but it is naive to suggest that it hasn't created a little interest. You refer to the UK aside, but the usual case is that Scottish football is a joke in England - if it is even considered at all. The past couple of days it has been amongst the headline articles in the sport section of The Times website; ordinarily I have to scroll all the way down to the bottom of the page where they keep the Scottish news to find any articles referencing Scottish football. You and I can appreciate it for the outrageously desperate and fickle move it seems to be, but a former England captain and European Cup winner coming north has clearly generated more interest than usual in Scottish football, and it isn't a bad thing - particularly if it means more eyes on the latest hun calamity.
That's my point though, it's generated 'a little interest'. That's it. A few eyebrows have been raised and nothing more. From the way the media up here are going on about it you'd think Guardiola had just taken the job. The media in Scotland has sold more Rangers & Sevco season tickets than any player/manager ever could.
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6 May 2018, 11:09 AM
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deep Because the rules of engagement haven’t changed for Rangers, irrespective of who they employ. Not once in six years. Despite their sense of entitlement, Rangers have no God-given right to be the club that challenges Celtic for titles. They have to earn it.But will they listen? Steven Gerrard appointment excites me AND makes me dubious – Gordon WaddellRangers have no God-given right to be the one that challenges Celtic argues the Sunday Mail’s chief sports columnist. Spoiler: click to toggle ByGordon Waddell Risk. None of us are completely averse to it. You take a chance getting up in the morning, crossing the road, sticking your face in a fan. Success comes either with how well you mitigate against it or how much of it you’re prepared to live with to get what you want. But it’s hard to know who’s taking the greater one here. Steven Gerrard with his fledgling reputation or Rangers’ board – again – with their club and their future. Either way, it’s going to be a blast to watch. No argument here, Stevie G’s arrival in Scottish football is a giant tick in the pro column, however it pans out. He’s global gone local and it’ll be eyes on from day one. Ray Bradbury once described risk as jumping off a cliff and building your wings on the way down – and both of them are doing exactly that. The problem they have is they are Wile E Coyote to Celtic’s Road Runner in that scenario. Armed with an Acme toolkit and a stick of fizzing dynamite. The question is – will they manage to fly before the wheeee of the dive into the unknown invariably and maybe inevitably turns into a splat and a puff of dust at the bottom? See, this is the joy of watching Rangers, if not of being one of their fans. The uncertainty. The lack of mitigation of risk. It has been bad decision after bad decision since 2012, bad money after bad, on and off the park, unbearable, cringeworthy viewing at times. But you can’t help but splay your fingers a little to see if once, just once, they can get it right. To see if once, just once, Acme make a pair of rocket-propelled roller skates that actually do the job. Because the rules of engagement haven’t changed for Rangers, irrespective of who they employ. Not once in six years. Despite their sense of entitlement, Rangers have no God-given right to be the club that challenges Celtic for titles. They have to earn it. And they’ve struggled to grasp that. Until now apparently. The first admirable thing about Gerrard is the fact he acknowledged that straight out of the gate. He inherits a squad who could well finish fourth in a supposedly two-horse race and faces a Celtic side seven years embedded in a run towards at least 10. We’ve said it before but we might as well say it again. Whether the Bears like it or not, Celtic aren’t Gerrard’s benchmark. Fixing Rangers is all he should care about. Right now they have a consistently top-two Aberdeen to overcome, a resurgent Hibs, a hurting and determined Hearts, and a Kilmarnock side and boss they’ve got a losing record to this season. But their biggest obstacle is still their own shortcomings. They’re not good enough. Not even close – as the past few weeks should have shown them. If Gerrard’s a good coach, he can fix some of that himself. Look at Brendan Rodgers and Stevie Clarke. They’ve taken what they had and made it better. Rodgers’ 5-0 win over Rangers last weekend featured nine players he inherited in his starting line-up, more than half of whom were deemed not to have a future when he rocked up. Clarke has revolutionised Killie with very little in the way of recruitment – his line-ups invariably include eight or nine there before him. So Rangers might not need a one to 11 clearout to get better if Gerrard can match up to the two vastly experienced coaches he’s worked under – but they do still need a huge hosing down to get good enough. And this is where the risk to Gerrard comes. Placing his rep and his trust in a board that has just seen two directors resign in still mysterious circumstances and a chairman who’s yet to do what has been legally asked of him by the Takeover Panel when it comes to a share offer. It’s hard to imagine he hasn’t been made promises to lure him but the notion he’s going to get a “war chest” to bring in a raft of top-quality players? Do people never learn? The break-up of the board may represent strategy, it may represent dysfunction and distrust. But the fans will never know which it is because the transparency they were promised – again – is nowhere to be seen. Their PR operation asked on Friday at Gerrard’s unveiling that all financial questions be left out because King would address them on Monday. So by all means, put your hope and faith in the new guy – what else is there to do? Until tomorrow at least, though, there should still be a healthy dose of scepticism over what resources he’ll have and where they’re coming from. In a league where the prize money is dwarfed by the spend required to earn it, there’s no recouping it unless you get through four rounds and into the Champions League groups. So whatever plan they have, whether it’s a rights issue or individual benefactors, won’t be so much an investment as a donation. To be fair to them, they actually have some building blocks in place now that weren’t there six years ago. Their academy has better people in it at almost every level and things have quietly changed with their development pathway. That’s irrelevant in the here and now though. What they need is Gerrard to hit the ground running and presumably do it while being completely simpatico with Mark Allen, his director of football. Recruitment will never be more key than it is this summer but who holds the key? The one transfer window Allen has had all to himself in January hasn’t exactly been shown up to be a resounding success. Then again, the idea Gerrard will have a queue of class acts down Edmiston Drive just to play for him is debatable as well. Footballers aren’t exactly renowned for their altruism these days. Big names still want big money. And doing it all in one window is never easy either. You had to laugh at John Barnes the other day, saying what Gerrard needed in his first job was patience and a lack of pressure – the polar opposite of what he’s going to get. The thing is, Barnes was a rookie in the job when he came to Celtic as well but he walked into a damn sight better situation than Gerrard does and still failed spectacularly. The team he inherited had Henrik Larsson, Lubo Moravcik, Paul Lambert, Johan Mjallby, Jackie McNamara, Alan Stubbs… And Rangers were sitting at one in a row. There’s a world of a difference in what Gerrard walks in the door to. But then he knows all of that. He’ll have heard been told every cautionary tale yet he has still backed himself to take on a job where second is last. He clearly has the courage of his convictions, that he sees this as the right first job. No soft openings for him and that’s to be commended. He comported himself really well at his unveiling. His analysis of the game in his media stint has been robust and insightful. It’s still a hard gig though. Players are just as tough to please as fans sometimes. If his sessions aren’t up there, he’ll not be getting judged on his stellar years as one of the best midfielders on the planet. There’s rarely a straight correlation between your skill with a ball at your feet and your ability to impart the knowledge or experience you’ve accumulated. And sometimes the hardest thing is acknowledging that none of your players are or will ever be as good as you were. I always remember Richard Gough after his first day at Livingston being utterly shellshocked that a group of 500 quid-a-week grafters couldn’t do what he, a nine-in-a-row-captaining, 61-cap, former Premier League star could do. Well, gee, y’reckon? All of this is in front of Gerrard and we should consider ourselves lucky to have ringside seats. And remember, it’s actually okay to be dubious and excited. They’re not mutually exclusive. https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/steven-gerrard-appointment-excites-makes-12485027
I was told on Friday night by an EFL director that Gerrard will be a figurehead only for McAllister and will leave training and day-to-day stuff to him. Director said they had approached Gerrard in 2016 about taking over his club but baulked when it was made clear that Gerrard would not relocate and wanted to bring in an assistant who would take charge of daily first team affairs.  They came back from LA due to homesickness so that sounds about right to me. Just read Sunday Times article and - lo and behold - it seems he said on Friday that McAllister won’t be a number 2 because it implied “a less important role”.
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6 May 2018, 11:13 AM
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Can someone tell me if I've made this up? Did Capucho say he joined der Hun because he was so impressed with the passion Celtic fans showed in Seville and he thought der hun would be the same. Then he said he quickly realised it was not the case at all He certainly did, the diving bastard.
Capucho said "I knew I wanted to play in British football after I played for Porto in the UEFA Cup final against Celtic. The passion of the Scottish supporters was incredible. When I was told I had the chance to join Rangers, I didn't hesitate."
"I know the Rangers fans are every bit as passionate as their big rivals and I can't wait to experience that atmosphere at Ibrox. I'll never forget the noise and the atmosphere in the UEFA Cup final."
"It was fantastic and Celtic made people realise the strength of Scottish football. That passion from the supporters is a big bonus for foreign players coming to Scotland. It will give me a real thrill to play in front of passionate fans like that every week,"
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6 May 2018, 11:15 AM
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The Sunday Mail reporting this morning that Gerrard is bringing with him a whole bunch of coaches and physios from Liverpool. it seems I've woken up in a parallel universe where Sevco aren't skint. Far from getting excited about possible investment at some undefined point in the future I'd be seriously worried about how much more debt/soft loans etc the clumpany is taking on now, given that they were already a debt laden loss making business before paying off the last manager (actually for all we know they might still be paying off the manager before the last one).
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6 May 2018, 11:20 AM
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deep Because the rules of engagement haven’t changed for Rangers, irrespective of who they employ. Not once in six years. Despite their sense of entitlement, Rangers have no God-given right to be the club that challenges Celtic for titles. They have to earn it.But will they listen? Steven Gerrard appointment excites me AND makes me dubious – Gordon WaddellRangers have no God-given right to be the one that challenges Celtic argues the Sunday Mail’s chief sports columnist. Spoiler: click to toggle ByGordon Waddell Risk. None of us are completely averse to it. You take a chance getting up in the morning, crossing the road, sticking your face in a fan. Success comes either with how well you mitigate against it or how much of it you’re prepared to live with to get what you want. But it’s hard to know who’s taking the greater one here. Steven Gerrard with his fledgling reputation or Rangers’ board – again – with their club and their future. Either way, it’s going to be a blast to watch. No argument here, Stevie G’s arrival in Scottish football is a giant tick in the pro column, however it pans out. He’s global gone local and it’ll be eyes on from day one. Ray Bradbury once described risk as jumping off a cliff and building your wings on the way down – and both of them are doing exactly that. The problem they have is they are Wile E Coyote to Celtic’s Road Runner in that scenario. Armed with an Acme toolkit and a stick of fizzing dynamite. The question is – will they manage to fly before the wheeee of the dive into the unknown invariably and maybe inevitably turns into a splat and a puff of dust at the bottom? See, this is the joy of watching Rangers, if not of being one of their fans. The uncertainty. The lack of mitigation of risk. It has been bad decision after bad decision since 2012, bad money after bad, on and off the park, unbearable, cringeworthy viewing at times. But you can’t help but splay your fingers a little to see if once, just once, they can get it right. To see if once, just once, Acme make a pair of rocket-propelled roller skates that actually do the job. Because the rules of engagement haven’t changed for Rangers, irrespective of who they employ. Not once in six years. Despite their sense of entitlement, Rangers have no God-given right to be the club that challenges Celtic for titles. They have to earn it. And they’ve struggled to grasp that. Until now apparently. The first admirable thing about Gerrard is the fact he acknowledged that straight out of the gate. He inherits a squad who could well finish fourth in a supposedly two-horse race and faces a Celtic side seven years embedded in a run towards at least 10. We’ve said it before but we might as well say it again. Whether the Bears like it or not, Celtic aren’t Gerrard’s benchmark. Fixing Rangers is all he should care about. Right now they have a consistently top-two Aberdeen to overcome, a resurgent Hibs, a hurting and determined Hearts, and a Kilmarnock side and boss they’ve got a losing record to this season. But their biggest obstacle is still their own shortcomings. They’re not good enough. Not even close – as the past few weeks should have shown them. If Gerrard’s a good coach, he can fix some of that himself. Look at Brendan Rodgers and Stevie Clarke. They’ve taken what they had and made it better. Rodgers’ 5-0 win over Rangers last weekend featured nine players he inherited in his starting line-up, more than half of whom were deemed not to have a future when he rocked up. Clarke has revolutionised Killie with very little in the way of recruitment – his line-ups invariably include eight or nine there before him. So Rangers might not need a one to 11 clearout to get better if Gerrard can match up to the two vastly experienced coaches he’s worked under – but they do still need a huge hosing down to get good enough. And this is where the risk to Gerrard comes. Placing his rep and his trust in a board that has just seen two directors resign in still mysterious circumstances and a chairman who’s yet to do what has been legally asked of him by the Takeover Panel when it comes to a share offer. It’s hard to imagine he hasn’t been made promises to lure him but the notion he’s going to get a “war chest” to bring in a raft of top-quality players? Do people never learn? The break-up of the board may represent strategy, it may represent dysfunction and distrust. But the fans will never know which it is because the transparency they were promised – again – is nowhere to be seen. Their PR operation asked on Friday at Gerrard’s unveiling that all financial questions be left out because King would address them on Monday. So by all means, put your hope and faith in the new guy – what else is there to do? Until tomorrow at least, though, there should still be a healthy dose of scepticism over what resources he’ll have and where they’re coming from. In a league where the prize money is dwarfed by the spend required to earn it, there’s no recouping it unless you get through four rounds and into the Champions League groups. So whatever plan they have, whether it’s a rights issue or individual benefactors, won’t be so much an investment as a donation. To be fair to them, they actually have some building blocks in place now that weren’t there six years ago. Their academy has better people in it at almost every level and things have quietly changed with their development pathway. That’s irrelevant in the here and now though. What they need is Gerrard to hit the ground running and presumably do it while being completely simpatico with Mark Allen, his director of football. Recruitment will never be more key than it is this summer but who holds the key? The one transfer window Allen has had all to himself in January hasn’t exactly been shown up to be a resounding success. Then again, the idea Gerrard will have a queue of class acts down Edmiston Drive just to play for him is debatable as well. Footballers aren’t exactly renowned for their altruism these days. Big names still want big money. And doing it all in one window is never easy either. You had to laugh at John Barnes the other day, saying what Gerrard needed in his first job was patience and a lack of pressure – the polar opposite of what he’s going to get. The thing is, Barnes was a rookie in the job when he came to Celtic as well but he walked into a damn sight better situation than Gerrard does and still failed spectacularly. The team he inherited had Henrik Larsson, Lubo Moravcik, Paul Lambert, Johan Mjallby, Jackie McNamara, Alan Stubbs… And Rangers were sitting at one in a row. There’s a world of a difference in what Gerrard walks in the door to. But then he knows all of that. He’ll have heard been told every cautionary tale yet he has still backed himself to take on a job where second is last. He clearly has the courage of his convictions, that he sees this as the right first job. No soft openings for him and that’s to be commended. He comported himself really well at his unveiling. His analysis of the game in his media stint has been robust and insightful. It’s still a hard gig though. Players are just as tough to please as fans sometimes. If his sessions aren’t up there, he’ll not be getting judged on his stellar years as one of the best midfielders on the planet. There’s rarely a straight correlation between your skill with a ball at your feet and your ability to impart the knowledge or experience you’ve accumulated. And sometimes the hardest thing is acknowledging that none of your players are or will ever be as good as you were. I always remember Richard Gough after his first day at Livingston being utterly shellshocked that a group of 500 quid-a-week grafters couldn’t do what he, a nine-in-a-row-captaining, 61-cap, former Premier League star could do. Well, gee, y’reckon? All of this is in front of Gerrard and we should consider ourselves lucky to have ringside seats. And remember, it’s actually okay to be dubious and excited. They’re not mutually exclusive. https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/steven-gerrard-appointment-excites-makes-12485027  They came back from LA due to homesickness so that sounds about right to me.
Just read Sunday Times article and - lo and behold - it seems he said on Friday that McAllister won’t be a number 2 because it implied “a less important role”. If it wasn't apparent this was a facade it should be after watching Gerrard doing the 'Tour'. It will likely be McAllister's show in all but name.
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6 May 2018, 11:29 AM
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The Sunday Mail reporting this morning that Gerrard is bringing with him a whole bunch of coaches and physios from Liverpool. it seems I've woken up in a parallel universe where Sevco aren't skint. Far from getting excited about possible investment at some undefined point in the future I'd be seriously worried about how much more debt/soft loans etc the clumpany is taking on now, given that they were already a debt laden loss making business before paying off the last manager (actually for all we know they might still be paying off the manager before the last one). No manager taking over a team from someone else just carte Blanche gets rid of everyone there and brings in new people. They need to evaluate what's already there first as every penny they spend on a new physio or masseuse is less money to spend on players who will keep you in a job.
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6 May 2018, 11:29 AM
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The Sunday Mail reporting this morning that Gerrard is bringing with him a whole bunch of coaches and physios from Liverpool. it seems I've woken up in a parallel universe where Sevco aren't skint. Far from getting excited about possible investment at some undefined point in the future I'd be seriously worried about how much more debt/soft loans etc the clumpany is taking on now, given that they were already a debt laden loss making business before paying off the last manager (actually for all we know they might still be paying off the manager before the last one). Makes you wonder if someone (King) was after a quick buck before pulling the plug. Couple that with the two directors bolting last week. (my thoughts only)
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Kinsella was found murdered this morning.
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Before Souness appointed Bell, was he heard of in football?
Yup fairly well known he was. Had spells at Spurs, Liverpool, Middlesbrough, Sampdoria and also playing for the huns aswel.
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Still nothing concrete about where the cash is coming from. Sevco absolutely must find around £10m+ over and above the usual revenue streams just to stand still next season. If they get pumped out the Europa qualifiers in the first round again that figure will rise substantially beyond £10m. Even if it were theoretically possible to do a share issue in the next few weeks the most they could expect to raise net would be around £15m. That is absolutely top whack. If they have another Progres Neiderkorn moment almost that entire amount would be swallowed up in just balancing the books for next season.
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That's my point though, it's generated 'a little interest'. That's it. A few eyebrows have been raised and nothing more. From the way the media up here are going on about it you'd think Guardiola had just taken the job.
The media in Scotland has sold more Rangers & Sevco season tickets than any player/manager ever could. My FB feed is full of huns stating how negative the press have been about it all.
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Hun tv back to ooing and ahhing and talking over each other, their new presentational style didnt last long! The " ginger Maldini"....Bates!! FFS!
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Kinsella was found murdered this morning. Gangland fixer who helped Steven Gerrard shot dead while walking dog in woodland
Headline in the Liverpool Echo, unsurpassed dignity.
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A man shot dead in a chilling woodland attack was a former underworld enforcer once called in to stop a gangland thug from threatening to maim Steven Gerrard.
John Kinsella was killed as he walked through a secluded section of woodland that runs alongside the M62 near the Rainhill Stoops interchange.
The 53-year-old was once arrested in Amsterdam after fleeing the UK while under investigation for a robbery at a haulage depot. While in the dock, his work for LFC hero Gerrard was used as an example of how he collected debts and "sorted out" problems.
Kinsella claimed he had been contacted by Gerrard's family after the player was being targeted by George Bromley Jnr,
Kinsella claimed he spoke to George Bromley and from then on Bromley left Gerrard alone.
The court was later read a letter from Gerrard’s father Paul – obtained after Kinsella went to his home – in which the claims were confirmed. Paul Gerrard, whose letter was confirmed as genuine by police, said he and his son had “total respect” for Kinsella.
What an open goal for the Scottish Media, they won't believe their luck at the timing of this, I'm sure they will be all over it. Lots of "New Ibrox Hero in Robbery Death Puzzle" and other Anthony Stokes like headlines. It will be interesting to contrast and compare coverage.
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6 May 2018, 11:57 AM
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The media in Scotland has sold more Rangers & Sevco season tickets than any player/manager ever could.
My FB feed is full of huns stating how negative the press have been about it all. They honestly think the media are against them
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6 May 2018, 11:57 AM
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The media in Scotland has sold more Rangers & Sevco season tickets than any player/manager ever could.
My FB feed is full of huns stating how negative the press have been about it all. The media coverage has looked very positive and dramatic but when you get down to the nitty gritty, most experienced columnists have been fairly negative about his chances of success.
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6 May 2018, 11:59 AM
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Fantastic move by King to bring in Gerrard just when he might need a character reference for an outstanding legal problem... ..or perhaps King should think twice about that character reference. it doesn't seem to have done much good the first time round.
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/gangland-figure-who-once-saved-12489752
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6 May 2018, 12:01 PM
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He saved him from a Psycho!
What a slant to put on that, they thought about that one.
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