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The All New Sevco Back in Yer Bin Thread; Taking out the trash
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6 May 2018, 10:14 AM
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Because the rules of engagement haven’t changed for Rangers, irrespective of who they employ. Not once in six years. Despite their sense of entitlement, Rangers have no God-given right to be the club that challenges Celtic for titles. They have to earn it.But will they listen? Steven Gerrard appointment excites me AND makes me dubious – Gordon WaddellRangers have no God-given right to be the one that challenges Celtic argues the Sunday Mail’s chief sports columnist. Spoiler: click to toggle ByGordon Waddell Risk. None of us are completely averse to it. You take a chance getting up in the morning, crossing the road, sticking your face in a fan. Success comes either with how well you mitigate against it or how much of it you’re prepared to live with to get what you want. But it’s hard to know who’s taking the greater one here. Steven Gerrard with his fledgling reputation or Rangers’ board – again – with their club and their future. Either way, it’s going to be a blast to watch. No argument here, Stevie G’s arrival in Scottish football is a giant tick in the pro column, however it pans out. He’s global gone local and it’ll be eyes on from day one. Ray Bradbury once described risk as jumping off a cliff and building your wings on the way down – and both of them are doing exactly that. The problem they have is they are Wile E Coyote to Celtic’s Road Runner in that scenario. Armed with an Acme toolkit and a stick of fizzing dynamite. The question is – will they manage to fly before the wheeee of the dive into the unknown invariably and maybe inevitably turns into a splat and a puff of dust at the bottom? See, this is the joy of watching Rangers, if not of being one of their fans. The uncertainty. The lack of mitigation of risk. It has been bad decision after bad decision since 2012, bad money after bad, on and off the park, unbearable, cringeworthy viewing at times. But you can’t help but splay your fingers a little to see if once, just once, they can get it right. To see if once, just once, Acme make a pair of rocket-propelled roller skates that actually do the job. Because the rules of engagement haven’t changed for Rangers, irrespective of who they employ. Not once in six years. Despite their sense of entitlement, Rangers have no God-given right to be the club that challenges Celtic for titles. They have to earn it. And they’ve struggled to grasp that. Until now apparently. The first admirable thing about Gerrard is the fact he acknowledged that straight out of the gate. He inherits a squad who could well finish fourth in a supposedly two-horse race and faces a Celtic side seven years embedded in a run towards at least 10. We’ve said it before but we might as well say it again. Whether the Bears like it or not, Celtic aren’t Gerrard’s benchmark. Fixing Rangers is all he should care about. Right now they have a consistently top-two Aberdeen to overcome, a resurgent Hibs, a hurting and determined Hearts, and a Kilmarnock side and boss they’ve got a losing record to this season. But their biggest obstacle is still their own shortcomings. They’re not good enough. Not even close – as the past few weeks should have shown them. If Gerrard’s a good coach, he can fix some of that himself. Look at Brendan Rodgers and Stevie Clarke. They’ve taken what they had and made it better. Rodgers’ 5-0 win over Rangers last weekend featured nine players he inherited in his starting line-up, more than half of whom were deemed not to have a future when he rocked up. Clarke has revolutionised Killie with very little in the way of recruitment – his line-ups invariably include eight or nine there before him. So Rangers might not need a one to 11 clearout to get better if Gerrard can match up to the two vastly experienced coaches he’s worked under – but they do still need a huge hosing down to get good enough. And this is where the risk to Gerrard comes. Placing his rep and his trust in a board that has just seen two directors resign in still mysterious circumstances and a chairman who’s yet to do what has been legally asked of him by the Takeover Panel when it comes to a share offer. It’s hard to imagine he hasn’t been made promises to lure him but the notion he’s going to get a “war chest” to bring in a raft of top-quality players? Do people never learn? The break-up of the board may represent strategy, it may represent dysfunction and distrust. But the fans will never know which it is because the transparency they were promised – again – is nowhere to be seen. Their PR operation asked on Friday at Gerrard’s unveiling that all financial questions be left out because King would address them on Monday. So by all means, put your hope and faith in the new guy – what else is there to do? Until tomorrow at least, though, there should still be a healthy dose of scepticism over what resources he’ll have and where they’re coming from. In a league where the prize money is dwarfed by the spend required to earn it, there’s no recouping it unless you get through four rounds and into the Champions League groups. So whatever plan they have, whether it’s a rights issue or individual benefactors, won’t be so much an investment as a donation. To be fair to them, they actually have some building blocks in place now that weren’t there six years ago. Their academy has better people in it at almost every level and things have quietly changed with their development pathway. That’s irrelevant in the here and now though. What they need is Gerrard to hit the ground running and presumably do it while being completely simpatico with Mark Allen, his director of football. Recruitment will never be more key than it is this summer but who holds the key? The one transfer window Allen has had all to himself in January hasn’t exactly been shown up to be a resounding success. Then again, the idea Gerrard will have a queue of class acts down Edmiston Drive just to play for him is debatable as well. Footballers aren’t exactly renowned for their altruism these days. Big names still want big money. And doing it all in one window is never easy either. You had to laugh at John Barnes the other day, saying what Gerrard needed in his first job was patience and a lack of pressure – the polar opposite of what he’s going to get. The thing is, Barnes was a rookie in the job when he came to Celtic as well but he walked into a damn sight better situation than Gerrard does and still failed spectacularly. The team he inherited had Henrik Larsson, Lubo Moravcik, Paul Lambert, Johan Mjallby, Jackie McNamara, Alan Stubbs… And Rangers were sitting at one in a row. There’s a world of a difference in what Gerrard walks in the door to. But then he knows all of that. He’ll have heard been told every cautionary tale yet he has still backed himself to take on a job where second is last. He clearly has the courage of his convictions, that he sees this as the right first job. No soft openings for him and that’s to be commended. He comported himself really well at his unveiling. His analysis of the game in his media stint has been robust and insightful. It’s still a hard gig though. Players are just as tough to please as fans sometimes. If his sessions aren’t up there, he’ll not be getting judged on his stellar years as one of the best midfielders on the planet. There’s rarely a straight correlation between your skill with a ball at your feet and your ability to impart the knowledge or experience you’ve accumulated. And sometimes the hardest thing is acknowledging that none of your players are or will ever be as good as you were. I always remember Richard Gough after his first day at Livingston being utterly shellshocked that a group of 500 quid-a-week grafters couldn’t do what he, a nine-in-a-row-captaining, 61-cap, former Premier League star could do. Well, gee, y’reckon? All of this is in front of Gerrard and we should consider ourselves lucky to have ringside seats. And remember, it’s actually okay to be dubious and excited. They’re not mutually exclusive. https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/steven-gerrard-appointment-excites-makes-12485027 They don't believe they have a right to challenge, a month or so ago they believed they might be Champions, so no chance of them taking anything from that piece. The transparency aspect is worth noting, the hun have been lied to time and again but keep coming back for scraps.
Alarm bells would be ringing for me regards the family staying put, not even a "will join him later" about it. Wasn't it the same deal with The Magic Hat and Pedro?
For the money on offer and the job these guys want to do you think they would have the family backing... people uproot and move countries for a job on cash these guys earn in their sleep. I don't reckon it's conducive to long term success or indicates belief in such.
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6 May 2018, 10:17 AM
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Is Gerrard taking charge from this weekend?
No. 1st June Can't imagine that Gerrard won't be whoring between now and then. So effectively they're getting him for free.
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6 May 2018, 10:28 AM
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That wet wet wet bawbag singer is on that channel4 Lovejoy cooking show this morning
Wonder if he'll spout his pro sevco pish?
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6 May 2018, 10:30 AM
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- 6 May 2018, 09:52 AM
Because the rules of engagement haven’t changed for Rangers, irrespective of who they employ. Not once in six years. Despite their sense of entitlement, Rangers have no God-given right to be the club that challenges Celtic for titles. They have to earn it.But will they listen? Steven Gerrard appointment excites me AND makes me dubious – Gordon WaddellRangers have no God-given right to be the one that challenges Celtic argues the Sunday Mail’s chief sports columnist. Spoiler: click to toggle ByGordon Waddell Risk. None of us are completely averse to it. You take a chance getting up in the morning, crossing the road, sticking your face in a fan. Success comes either with how well you mitigate against it or how much of it you’re prepared to live with to get what you want. But it’s hard to know who’s taking the greater one here. Steven Gerrard with his fledgling reputation or Rangers’ board – again – with their club and their future. Either way, it’s going to be a blast to watch. No argument here, Stevie G’s arrival in Scottish football is a giant tick in the pro column, however it pans out. He’s global gone local and it’ll be eyes on from day one. Ray Bradbury once described risk as jumping off a cliff and building your wings on the way down – and both of them are doing exactly that. The problem they have is they are Wile E Coyote to Celtic’s Road Runner in that scenario. Armed with an Acme toolkit and a stick of fizzing dynamite. The question is – will they manage to fly before the wheeee of the dive into the unknown invariably and maybe inevitably turns into a splat and a puff of dust at the bottom? See, this is the joy of watching Rangers, if not of being one of their fans. The uncertainty. The lack of mitigation of risk. It has been bad decision after bad decision since 2012, bad money after bad, on and off the park, unbearable, cringeworthy viewing at times. But you can’t help but splay your fingers a little to see if once, just once, they can get it right. To see if once, just once, Acme make a pair of rocket-propelled roller skates that actually do the job. Because the rules of engagement haven’t changed for Rangers, irrespective of who they employ. Not once in six years. Despite their sense of entitlement, Rangers have no God-given right to be the club that challenges Celtic for titles. They have to earn it. And they’ve struggled to grasp that. Until now apparently. The first admirable thing about Gerrard is the fact he acknowledged that straight out of the gate. He inherits a squad who could well finish fourth in a supposedly two-horse race and faces a Celtic side seven years embedded in a run towards at least 10. We’ve said it before but we might as well say it again. Whether the Bears like it or not, Celtic aren’t Gerrard’s benchmark. Fixing Rangers is all he should care about. Right now they have a consistently top-two Aberdeen to overcome, a resurgent Hibs, a hurting and determined Hearts, and a Kilmarnock side and boss they’ve got a losing record to this season. But their biggest obstacle is still their own shortcomings. They’re not good enough. Not even close – as the past few weeks should have shown them. If Gerrard’s a good coach, he can fix some of that himself. Look at Brendan Rodgers and Stevie Clarke. They’ve taken what they had and made it better. Rodgers’ 5-0 win over Rangers last weekend featured nine players he inherited in his starting line-up, more than half of whom were deemed not to have a future when he rocked up. Clarke has revolutionised Killie with very little in the way of recruitment – his line-ups invariably include eight or nine there before him. So Rangers might not need a one to 11 clearout to get better if Gerrard can match up to the two vastly experienced coaches he’s worked under – but they do still need a huge hosing down to get good enough. And this is where the risk to Gerrard comes. Placing his rep and his trust in a board that has just seen two directors resign in still mysterious circumstances and a chairman who’s yet to do what has been legally asked of him by the Takeover Panel when it comes to a share offer. It’s hard to imagine he hasn’t been made promises to lure him but the notion he’s going to get a “war chest” to bring in a raft of top-quality players? Do people never learn? The break-up of the board may represent strategy, it may represent dysfunction and distrust. But the fans will never know which it is because the transparency they were promised – again – is nowhere to be seen. Their PR operation asked on Friday at Gerrard’s unveiling that all financial questions be left out because King would address them on Monday. So by all means, put your hope and faith in the new guy – what else is there to do? Until tomorrow at least, though, there should still be a healthy dose of scepticism over what resources he’ll have and where they’re coming from. In a league where the prize money is dwarfed by the spend required to earn it, there’s no recouping it unless you get through four rounds and into the Champions League groups. So whatever plan they have, whether it’s a rights issue or individual benefactors, won’t be so much an investment as a donation. To be fair to them, they actually have some building blocks in place now that weren’t there six years ago. Their academy has better people in it at almost every level and things have quietly changed with their development pathway. That’s irrelevant in the here and now though. What they need is Gerrard to hit the ground running and presumably do it while being completely simpatico with Mark Allen, his director of football. Recruitment will never be more key than it is this summer but who holds the key? The one transfer window Allen has had all to himself in January hasn’t exactly been shown up to be a resounding success. Then again, the idea Gerrard will have a queue of class acts down Edmiston Drive just to play for him is debatable as well. Footballers aren’t exactly renowned for their altruism these days. Big names still want big money. And doing it all in one window is never easy either. You had to laugh at John Barnes the other day, saying what Gerrard needed in his first job was patience and a lack of pressure – the polar opposite of what he’s going to get. The thing is, Barnes was a rookie in the job when he came to Celtic as well but he walked into a damn sight better situation than Gerrard does and still failed spectacularly. The team he inherited had Henrik Larsson, Lubo Moravcik, Paul Lambert, Johan Mjallby, Jackie McNamara, Alan Stubbs… And Rangers were sitting at one in a row. There’s a world of a difference in what Gerrard walks in the door to. But then he knows all of that. He’ll have heard been told every cautionary tale yet he has still backed himself to take on a job where second is last. He clearly has the courage of his convictions, that he sees this as the right first job. No soft openings for him and that’s to be commended. He comported himself really well at his unveiling. His analysis of the game in his media stint has been robust and insightful. It’s still a hard gig though. Players are just as tough to please as fans sometimes. If his sessions aren’t up there, he’ll not be getting judged on his stellar years as one of the best midfielders on the planet. There’s rarely a straight correlation between your skill with a ball at your feet and your ability to impart the knowledge or experience you’ve accumulated. And sometimes the hardest thing is acknowledging that none of your players are or will ever be as good as you were. I always remember Richard Gough after his first day at Livingston being utterly shellshocked that a group of 500 quid-a-week grafters couldn’t do what he, a nine-in-a-row-captaining, 61-cap, former Premier League star could do. Well, gee, y’reckon? All of this is in front of Gerrard and we should consider ourselves lucky to have ringside seats. And remember, it’s actually okay to be dubious and excited. They’re not mutually exclusive. https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/steven-gerrard-appointment-excites-makes-12485027
They don't believe they have a right to challenge, a month or so ago they believed they might be Champions, so no chance of them taking anything from that piece. The transparency aspect is worth noting, the hun have been lied to time and again but keep coming back for scraps. Alarm bells would be ringing for me regards the family staying put, not even a "will join him later" about it. Wasn't it the same deal with The Magic Hat and Pedro? For the money on offer and the job these guys want to do you think they would have the family backing... people uproot and move countries for a job on cash these guys earn in their sleep. I don't reckon it's conducive to long term success or indicates belief in such. Waddell seems to have overlooked Lenny & Hibs in his article - a team who will likely finish above Sevco this year !
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6 May 2018, 10:31 AM
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For the money on offer and the job these guys want to do you think they would have the family backing... people uproot and move countries for a job on cash these guys earn in their sleep. I don't reckon it's conducive to long term success or indicates belief in such. Mourinho's family have stayed put in London since he became Man United manager. It's not really that uncommon.
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That wet wet wet bawbag singer is on that channel4 Lovejoy cooking show this morning
Wonder if he'll spout his pro sevco pish? I remember a rumour about him when I was younger, apparently, saying he didn’t want catholics buying his records
Might be pish
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6 May 2018, 10:36 AM
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Ah but I was so much older then,I'm younger than that now
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That wet wet wet bawbag singer is on that channel4 Lovejoy cooking show this morning
Wonder if he'll spout his pro sevco pish?
I remember a rumour about him when I was younger, apparently, saying he didn’t want catholics buying his records Might be pish A fair chance it was.
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That wet wet wet bawbag singer is on that channel4 Lovejoy cooking show this morning
Wonder if he'll spout his pro sevco pish? Junkie Hun cretin.
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Because the rules of engagement haven’t changed for Rangers, irrespective of who they employ. Not once in six years. Despite their sense of entitlement, Rangers have no God-given right to be the club that challenges Celtic for titles. They have to earn it.But will they listen? Steven Gerrard appointment excites me AND makes me dubious – Gordon WaddellRangers have no God-given right to be the one that challenges Celtic argues the Sunday Mail’s chief sports columnist. Spoiler: click to toggle ByGordon Waddell Risk. None of us are completely averse to it. You take a chance getting up in the morning, crossing the road, sticking your face in a fan. Success comes either with how well you mitigate against it or how much of it you’re prepared to live with to get what you want. But it’s hard to know who’s taking the greater one here. Steven Gerrard with his fledgling reputation or Rangers’ board – again – with their club and their future. Either way, it’s going to be a blast to watch. No argument here, Stevie G’s arrival in Scottish football is a giant tick in the pro column, however it pans out. He’s global gone local and it’ll be eyes on from day one. Ray Bradbury once described risk as jumping off a cliff and building your wings on the way down – and both of them are doing exactly that. The problem they have is they are Wile E Coyote to Celtic’s Road Runner in that scenario. Armed with an Acme toolkit and a stick of fizzing dynamite. The question is – will they manage to fly before the wheeee of the dive into the unknown invariably and maybe inevitably turns into a splat and a puff of dust at the bottom? See, this is the joy of watching Rangers, if not of being one of their fans. The uncertainty. The lack of mitigation of risk. It has been bad decision after bad decision since 2012, bad money after bad, on and off the park, unbearable, cringeworthy viewing at times. But you can’t help but splay your fingers a little to see if once, just once, they can get it right. To see if once, just once, Acme make a pair of rocket-propelled roller skates that actually do the job. Because the rules of engagement haven’t changed for Rangers, irrespective of who they employ. Not once in six years. Despite their sense of entitlement, Rangers have no God-given right to be the club that challenges Celtic for titles. They have to earn it. And they’ve struggled to grasp that. Until now apparently. The first admirable thing about Gerrard is the fact he acknowledged that straight out of the gate. He inherits a squad who could well finish fourth in a supposedly two-horse race and faces a Celtic side seven years embedded in a run towards at least 10. We’ve said it before but we might as well say it again. Whether the Bears like it or not, Celtic aren’t Gerrard’s benchmark. Fixing Rangers is all he should care about. Right now they have a consistently top-two Aberdeen to overcome, a resurgent Hibs, a hurting and determined Hearts, and a Kilmarnock side and boss they’ve got a losing record to this season. But their biggest obstacle is still their own shortcomings. They’re not good enough. Not even close – as the past few weeks should have shown them. If Gerrard’s a good coach, he can fix some of that himself. Look at Brendan Rodgers and Stevie Clarke. They’ve taken what they had and made it better. Rodgers’ 5-0 win over Rangers last weekend featured nine players he inherited in his starting line-up, more than half of whom were deemed not to have a future when he rocked up. Clarke has revolutionised Killie with very little in the way of recruitment – his line-ups invariably include eight or nine there before him. So Rangers might not need a one to 11 clearout to get better if Gerrard can match up to the two vastly experienced coaches he’s worked under – but they do still need a huge hosing down to get good enough. And this is where the risk to Gerrard comes. Placing his rep and his trust in a board that has just seen two directors resign in still mysterious circumstances and a chairman who’s yet to do what has been legally asked of him by the Takeover Panel when it comes to a share offer. It’s hard to imagine he hasn’t been made promises to lure him but the notion he’s going to get a “war chest” to bring in a raft of top-quality players? Do people never learn? The break-up of the board may represent strategy, it may represent dysfunction and distrust. But the fans will never know which it is because the transparency they were promised – again – is nowhere to be seen. Their PR operation asked on Friday at Gerrard’s unveiling that all financial questions be left out because King would address them on Monday. So by all means, put your hope and faith in the new guy – what else is there to do? Until tomorrow at least, though, there should still be a healthy dose of scepticism over what resources he’ll have and where they’re coming from. In a league where the prize money is dwarfed by the spend required to earn it, there’s no recouping it unless you get through four rounds and into the Champions League groups. So whatever plan they have, whether it’s a rights issue or individual benefactors, won’t be so much an investment as a donation. To be fair to them, they actually have some building blocks in place now that weren’t there six years ago. Their academy has better people in it at almost every level and things have quietly changed with their development pathway. That’s irrelevant in the here and now though. What they need is Gerrard to hit the ground running and presumably do it while being completely simpatico with Mark Allen, his director of football. Recruitment will never be more key than it is this summer but who holds the key? The one transfer window Allen has had all to himself in January hasn’t exactly been shown up to be a resounding success. Then again, the idea Gerrard will have a queue of class acts down Edmiston Drive just to play for him is debatable as well. Footballers aren’t exactly renowned for their altruism these days. Big names still want big money. And doing it all in one window is never easy either. You had to laugh at John Barnes the other day, saying what Gerrard needed in his first job was patience and a lack of pressure – the polar opposite of what he’s going to get. The thing is, Barnes was a rookie in the job when he came to Celtic as well but he walked into a damn sight better situation than Gerrard does and still failed spectacularly. The team he inherited had Henrik Larsson, Lubo Moravcik, Paul Lambert, Johan Mjallby, Jackie McNamara, Alan Stubbs… And Rangers were sitting at one in a row. There’s a world of a difference in what Gerrard walks in the door to. But then he knows all of that. He’ll have heard been told every cautionary tale yet he has still backed himself to take on a job where second is last. He clearly has the courage of his convictions, that he sees this as the right first job. No soft openings for him and that’s to be commended. He comported himself really well at his unveiling. His analysis of the game in his media stint has been robust and insightful. It’s still a hard gig though. Players are just as tough to please as fans sometimes. If his sessions aren’t up there, he’ll not be getting judged on his stellar years as one of the best midfielders on the planet. There’s rarely a straight correlation between your skill with a ball at your feet and your ability to impart the knowledge or experience you’ve accumulated. And sometimes the hardest thing is acknowledging that none of your players are or will ever be as good as you were. I always remember Richard Gough after his first day at Livingston being utterly shellshocked that a group of 500 quid-a-week grafters couldn’t do what he, a nine-in-a-row-captaining, 61-cap, former Premier League star could do. Well, gee, y’reckon? All of this is in front of Gerrard and we should consider ourselves lucky to have ringside seats. And remember, it’s actually okay to be dubious and excited. They’re not mutually exclusive. https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/steven-gerrard-appointment-excites-makes-12485027
They don't believe they have a right to challenge, a month or so ago they believed they might be Champions, so no chance of them taking anything from that piece. The transparency aspect is worth noting, the hun have been lied to time and again but keep coming back for scraps. Alarm bells would be ringing for me regards the family staying put, not even a "will join him later" about it. Wasn't it the same deal with The Magic Hat and Pedro? For the money on offer and the job these guys want to do you think they would have the family backing... people uproot and move countries for a job on cash these guys earn in their sleep. I don't reckon it's conducive to long term success or indicates belief in such. I was told on Friday night by an EFL director that Gerrard will be a figurehead only for McAllister and will leave training and day-to-day stuff to him. Director said they had approached Gerrard in 2016 about taking over his club but baulked when it was made clear that Gerrard would not relocate and wanted to bring in an assistant who would take charge of daily first team affairs.
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That wet wet wet bawbag singer is on that channel4 Lovejoy cooking show this morning
Wonder if he'll spout his pro sevco pish?
I remember a rumour about him when I was younger, apparently, saying he didn’t want catholics buying his records Might be pish Total pish
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At the end it's like a scene from home Homes Under The Hammer where the voice-over is saying "Stephen now realises the size of what he's taken on. Never, ever bid at auction without seeing the property first. " Him having a gander around the dressing room looked a bit like the lovely Lucy Alexander saying: "yes, rip out that old wood labelling, get rid of that laughable picture of the queen, bring it into the 21st century and stop ghastly hobos getting in". Cue "More life in a tramp's vest" by Stereophonics
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For the money on offer and the job these guys want to do you think they would have the family backing... people uproot and move countries for a job on cash these guys earn in their sleep. I don't reckon it's conducive to long term success or indicates belief in such.
Mourinho's family have stayed put in London since he became Man United manager. It's not really that uncommon. Where does Guardiola stay?
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Before Souness appointed Bell, was he heard of in football?
As a wee aside he was a bus driver for Parks - He always has shown his bigotry the wee pumpkin!!! When he was at Parks he had a run in in their depot with a Bhoy from Easterhouse who ran a CSC (some on here will know who he is from that) - The Tim called Bell out and offered him a "square qo" there and then - Bell ran into the Depot and got four of his mates - In addition to being a horrible, bigoted piece of work and embarrassment to humanity he is also a total shiiitebag!!! Apologies for the link to The Sun but I can't embed tweets
https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/2581252/celtic-fan-films-himself-mocking-rangers-kit-man-jimmy-bell-hoops-victory-rangers/
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6 May 2018, 10:44 AM
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Because the rules of engagement haven’t changed for Rangers, irrespective of who they employ. Not once in six years. Despite their sense of entitlement, Rangers have no God-given right to be the club that challenges Celtic for titles. They have to earn it.But will they listen? Steven Gerrard appointment excites me AND makes me dubious – Gordon WaddellRangers have no God-given right to be the one that challenges Celtic argues the Sunday Mail’s chief sports columnist. Spoiler: click to toggle ByGordon Waddell Risk. None of us are completely averse to it. You take a chance getting up in the morning, crossing the road, sticking your face in a fan. Success comes either with how well you mitigate against it or how much of it you’re prepared to live with to get what you want. But it’s hard to know who’s taking the greater one here. Steven Gerrard with his fledgling reputation or Rangers’ board – again – with their club and their future. Either way, it’s going to be a blast to watch. No argument here, Stevie G’s arrival in Scottish football is a giant tick in the pro column, however it pans out. He’s global gone local and it’ll be eyes on from day one. Ray Bradbury once described risk as jumping off a cliff and building your wings on the way down – and both of them are doing exactly that. The problem they have is they are Wile E Coyote to Celtic’s Road Runner in that scenario. Armed with an Acme toolkit and a stick of fizzing dynamite. The question is – will they manage to fly before the wheeee of the dive into the unknown invariably and maybe inevitably turns into a splat and a puff of dust at the bottom? See, this is the joy of watching Rangers, if not of being one of their fans. The uncertainty. The lack of mitigation of risk. It has been bad decision after bad decision since 2012, bad money after bad, on and off the park, unbearable, cringeworthy viewing at times. But you can’t help but splay your fingers a little to see if once, just once, they can get it right. To see if once, just once, Acme make a pair of rocket-propelled roller skates that actually do the job. Because the rules of engagement haven’t changed for Rangers, irrespective of who they employ. Not once in six years. Despite their sense of entitlement, Rangers have no God-given right to be the club that challenges Celtic for titles. They have to earn it. And they’ve struggled to grasp that. Until now apparently. The first admirable thing about Gerrard is the fact he acknowledged that straight out of the gate. He inherits a squad who could well finish fourth in a supposedly two-horse race and faces a Celtic side seven years embedded in a run towards at least 10. We’ve said it before but we might as well say it again. Whether the Bears like it or not, Celtic aren’t Gerrard’s benchmark. Fixing Rangers is all he should care about. Right now they have a consistently top-two Aberdeen to overcome, a resurgent Hibs, a hurting and determined Hearts, and a Kilmarnock side and boss they’ve got a losing record to this season. But their biggest obstacle is still their own shortcomings. They’re not good enough. Not even close – as the past few weeks should have shown them. If Gerrard’s a good coach, he can fix some of that himself. Look at Brendan Rodgers and Stevie Clarke. They’ve taken what they had and made it better. Rodgers’ 5-0 win over Rangers last weekend featured nine players he inherited in his starting line-up, more than half of whom were deemed not to have a future when he rocked up. Clarke has revolutionised Killie with very little in the way of recruitment – his line-ups invariably include eight or nine there before him. So Rangers might not need a one to 11 clearout to get better if Gerrard can match up to the two vastly experienced coaches he’s worked under – but they do still need a huge hosing down to get good enough. And this is where the risk to Gerrard comes. Placing his rep and his trust in a board that has just seen two directors resign in still mysterious circumstances and a chairman who’s yet to do what has been legally asked of him by the Takeover Panel when it comes to a share offer. It’s hard to imagine he hasn’t been made promises to lure him but the notion he’s going to get a “war chest” to bring in a raft of top-quality players? Do people never learn? The break-up of the board may represent strategy, it may represent dysfunction and distrust. But the fans will never know which it is because the transparency they were promised – again – is nowhere to be seen. Their PR operation asked on Friday at Gerrard’s unveiling that all financial questions be left out because King would address them on Monday. So by all means, put your hope and faith in the new guy – what else is there to do? Until tomorrow at least, though, there should still be a healthy dose of scepticism over what resources he’ll have and where they’re coming from. In a league where the prize money is dwarfed by the spend required to earn it, there’s no recouping it unless you get through four rounds and into the Champions League groups. So whatever plan they have, whether it’s a rights issue or individual benefactors, won’t be so much an investment as a donation. To be fair to them, they actually have some building blocks in place now that weren’t there six years ago. Their academy has better people in it at almost every level and things have quietly changed with their development pathway. That’s irrelevant in the here and now though. What they need is Gerrard to hit the ground running and presumably do it while being completely simpatico with Mark Allen, his director of football. Recruitment will never be more key than it is this summer but who holds the key? The one transfer window Allen has had all to himself in January hasn’t exactly been shown up to be a resounding success. Then again, the idea Gerrard will have a queue of class acts down Edmiston Drive just to play for him is debatable as well. Footballers aren’t exactly renowned for their altruism these days. Big names still want big money. And doing it all in one window is never easy either. You had to laugh at John Barnes the other day, saying what Gerrard needed in his first job was patience and a lack of pressure – the polar opposite of what he’s going to get. The thing is, Barnes was a rookie in the job when he came to Celtic as well but he walked into a damn sight better situation than Gerrard does and still failed spectacularly. The team he inherited had Henrik Larsson, Lubo Moravcik, Paul Lambert, Johan Mjallby, Jackie McNamara, Alan Stubbs… And Rangers were sitting at one in a row. There’s a world of a difference in what Gerrard walks in the door to. But then he knows all of that. He’ll have heard been told every cautionary tale yet he has still backed himself to take on a job where second is last. He clearly has the courage of his convictions, that he sees this as the right first job. No soft openings for him and that’s to be commended. He comported himself really well at his unveiling. His analysis of the game in his media stint has been robust and insightful. It’s still a hard gig though. Players are just as tough to please as fans sometimes. If his sessions aren’t up there, he’ll not be getting judged on his stellar years as one of the best midfielders on the planet. There’s rarely a straight correlation between your skill with a ball at your feet and your ability to impart the knowledge or experience you’ve accumulated. And sometimes the hardest thing is acknowledging that none of your players are or will ever be as good as you were. I always remember Richard Gough after his first day at Livingston being utterly shellshocked that a group of 500 quid-a-week grafters couldn’t do what he, a nine-in-a-row-captaining, 61-cap, former Premier League star could do. Well, gee, y’reckon? All of this is in front of Gerrard and we should consider ourselves lucky to have ringside seats. And remember, it’s actually okay to be dubious and excited. They’re not mutually exclusive. https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/steven-gerrard-appointment-excites-makes-12485027
They don't believe they have a right to challenge, a month or so ago they believed they might be Champions, so no chance of them taking anything from that piece. The transparency aspect is worth noting, the hun have been lied to time and again but keep coming back for scraps. Alarm bells would be ringing for me regards the family staying put, not even a "will join him later" about it. Wasn't it the same deal with The Magic Hat and Pedro? For the money on offer and the job these guys want to do you think they would have the family backing... people uproot and move countries for a job on cash these guys earn in their sleep. I don't reckon it's conducive to long term success or indicates belief in such.
I was told on Friday night by an EFL director that Gerrard will be a figurehead only for McAllister and will leave training and day-to-day stuff to him. Director said they had approached Gerrard in 2016 about taking over his club but baulked when it was made clear that Gerrard would not relocate and wanted to bring in an assistant who would take charge of daily first team affairs. They came back from LA due to homesickness so that sounds about right to me.
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6 May 2018, 10:45 AM
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For the money on offer and the job these guys want to do you think they would have the family backing... people uproot and move countries for a job on cash these guys earn in their sleep. I don't reckon it's conducive to long term success or indicates belief in such.
Mourinho's family have stayed put in London since he became Man United manager. It's not really that uncommon.
Where does Guardiola stay? In a 3million pound flat in Salford with his family.
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6 May 2018, 10:47 AM
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Why are people deluding themselves into thinking this appointment puts Scottish football on the map?
If Christiano Ronaldo retired and got the job as the FC Helsinki coach, does anyone honestly believe millions of fans across Europe would flock to keep up with the results in Finland?
It's absurd. Nobody outwith the UK gives an eff about this. Absolutely nobody. Fans of Ronaldo would.. as would fans of Gerrard. Football fans no. You can debate the numbers obviously.
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6 May 2018, 10:50 AM
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Where does Guardiola stay?
In a 3million pound flat in Salford with his family. I'm sure he wouldn't even have considered doing otherwise.
"It happened the same when I was a player at Roma, at Brescia, and in Munich. I prefer to live in the city and be with the people
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6 May 2018, 10:53 AM
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6 May 2018, 10:54 AM
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Why are people deluding themselves into thinking this appointment puts Scottish football on the map?
If Christiano Ronaldo retired and got the job as the FC Helsinki coach, does anyone honestly believe millions of fans across Europe would flock to keep up with the results in Finland?
It's absurd. Nobody outwith the UK gives an eff about this. Absolutely nobody.
Because the same kinds of people who don't watch Spanish football but might tune in to watch a classico every now and again will tune in to watch Rodgers v Gerrard. Whilst not quite as glamorous it's undeniably a nice little subplot and a very easy sell for the tv folk. And I think your point about Ronaldo is misplaced, he has legions of young fans who would follow his career wherever he goes. They adore him and if he went to Helskini for some bizarre reason, you can bet the number of international 'fans' would rocket overnight, as would interest in the league. No one is talking about millions of fans here as far as I can see, it's just folk talking about how Rodgers v Gerrard is a much bigger and better sell for international audiences than Deila v The Magic Hat.
Nobody cares mate. It's quite obvious you do.
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That wet wet wet bawbag singer is on that channel4 Lovejoy cooking show this morning
Wonder if he'll spout his pro sevco pish?
I remember a rumour about him when I was younger, apparently, saying he didn’t want catholics buying his records Might be pish Pish Pish Pish
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