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The All New Sevco Back in Yer Bin Thread; Taking out the trash
Topic Started: 29 Apr 2018, 04:24 PM (2,086,971 Views)
Corky Buczek
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5 May 2018, 09:41 AM
He's the figurehead, McAllister will be the brains.
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There's probably something to this. An older hand who has experience as a coach. Not that long ago he was working with Brendan Rodgers at Liverpool.

Obviously his managerial/coaching career hasn't been particularly successful, but he certainly has a degree of experience.

I'm not sure I'd go along with the line that Gerrard is being disrespectful to the profession he's entered. There are plenty of players who went straight from playing into management. Some got a bit of coaching experience under their belt first.

Look at our own Neil Lennon who would go up against Walter Smith.

The question is how Steven Gerrard believes he can topple the smart, vastly experienced Brendan Rodgers and financially sound Celtic. Maybe he does in fact believe there will be real money coming in, although King's latest comments about him being financially backed regardless (on a turnover of 29million) should have alarm bells going off already for Gerrard.

On the other hand, there is the very distinct possibility that he will see bringing stability, finishing a clear second, being in the 'title race' until the last couple of games, decent cup runs and maybe even a trophy, avoiding humiliation at the hands of teams from Luxembourg, winning a game against Celtic, all of these things will be seen as stepping stones to stability and respectability. He can then clear the decks having, as one put it the other day, 'learned at the bottom', and go onto a job in England.

Rangers is now in the territory of being referred to as a 'sleeping giant'. Getting it to even fart or raise a growl in a football sense will be seen as progress. If he can avoid things like standing in a bush, he'll be seen a worthy brogue wearer.

But if he doesn't deliver something, he just needs to look how they regard club legends like Ally McCoist these days, while Walter was smart enough to hit the lifeboat at the first sign of the iceberg. Gerrard's reputation as a player has gone. He's a different person now. No amount of crazed ramblings about sorting out Scott Brown will materialise. It's all about the team, the tactics, and if they continue to get gubbed, there will be no hiding place for him.

Ronnie Deila wilted under the pressure, while delivering two titles and a cup. He arrived in Glasgow as a title winner in Norway. Tony Mowbray had been at Celtic as a player and managed at Hibs where he put together a decent side. John Barnes couldn't hack it. Whether winning or losing in Glasgow, it's a pressure cooker. Celtic didn't give the likes of club legend Henrik Larsson the job for a reason. We also knocked back Roy Keane, with a bigger playing reputation than Gerrard and, again, managerial experience under his belt.

Gerrard might well thrive, but as long as Celtic don't get complacent - and it's been the club's biggest enemy over the years - then Gerrard is about to feel the heat like no time since the day he fell on his arse against Chelsea.

He'd have been better taking the team for the last three games, to see the players first hand. Lennon doing that gave him a real sense of what was needed in the team. Gerrard, to me, seems to have already made his first mistake in management.
I agree with all of that other than the references to Keane and Henke. From what i heard - and i could be wrong - we did offer them the job but they knocked us back.
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He just oozes charisma.
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Great call, Adam. :thumbsup: Sad to see a guy you respected act like a silly wean.
This could be Steven Gerrard's Gerald Ratner moment.
And King's Ali Dia :lol:
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There's probably something to this. An older hand who has experience as a coach. Not that long ago he was working with Brendan Rodgers at Liverpool.

Obviously his managerial/coaching career hasn't been particularly successful, but he certainly has a degree of experience.

I'm not sure I'd go along with the line that Gerrard is being disrespectful to the profession he's entered. There are plenty of players who went straight from playing into management. Some got a bit of coaching experience under their belt first.

Look at our own Neil Lennon who would go up against Walter Smith.

The question is how Steven Gerrard believes he can topple the smart, vastly experienced Brendan Rodgers and financially sound Celtic. Maybe he does in fact believe there will be real money coming in, although King's latest comments about him being financially backed regardless (on a turnover of 29million) should have alarm bells going off already for Gerrard.

On the other hand, there is the very distinct possibility that he will see bringing stability, finishing a clear second, being in the 'title race' until the last couple of games, decent cup runs and maybe even a trophy, avoiding humiliation at the hands of teams from Luxembourg, winning a game against Celtic, all of these things will be seen as stepping stones to stability and respectability. He can then clear the decks having, as one put it the other day, 'learned at the bottom', and go onto a job in England.

Rangers is now in the territory of being referred to as a 'sleeping giant'. Getting it to even fart or raise a growl in a football sense will be seen as progress. If he can avoid things like standing in a bush, he'll be seen a worthy brogue wearer.

But if he doesn't deliver something, he just needs to look how they regard club legends like Ally McCoist these days, while Walter was smart enough to hit the lifeboat at the first sign of the iceberg. Gerrard's reputation as a player has gone. He's a different person now. No amount of crazed ramblings about sorting out Scott Brown will materialise. It's all about the team, the tactics, and if they continue to get gubbed, there will be no hiding place for him.

Ronnie Deila wilted under the pressure, while delivering two titles and a cup. He arrived in Glasgow as a title winner in Norway. Tony Mowbray had been at Celtic as a player and managed at Hibs where he put together a decent side. John Barnes couldn't hack it. Whether winning or losing in Glasgow, it's a pressure cooker. Celtic didn't give the likes of club legend Henrik Larsson the job for a reason. We also knocked back Roy Keane, with a bigger playing reputation than Gerrard and, again, managerial experience under his belt.

Gerrard might well thrive, but as long as Celtic don't get complacent - and it's been the club's biggest enemy over the years - then Gerrard is about to feel the heat like no time since the day he fell on his arse against Chelsea.

He'd have been better taking the team for the last three games, to see the players first hand. Lennon doing that gave him a real sense of what was needed in the team. Gerrard, to me, seems to have already made his first mistake in management.
I agree with all of that other than the references to Keane and Henke. From what i heard - and i could be wrong - we did offer them the job but they knocked us back.
Good point about Henrik. I think you're right.

Re Keane, I thought that Desmond wanted him but Lawwell didn't, so it was never a real goer.
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Their big meeting on Monday is just meant to be GASL making a statement regarding TOP and the directors RESIGNING
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5 May 2018, 10:54 AM
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5 May 2018, 09:33 AM
I thought Gerrard came across as very naive in his press conference. Saying things like, "bring it on" and, "I'm here to make these people smile", seemed either very arrogant or at best very misguided.

I think it's the latter. Gerrard has no idea what he's just walked into and - like most people down south - has completely underestimated the enormity of the task. It wouldn't surprise me if he doesn't really have any knowledge of Sevco's financial problems, the seedy past of the dead club, or the basket case structure of the current one.

Brendan's comments regards the appointment were pretty measured. Nice, polite, yet at the same time they made it clear he is going to crush this guy without actually saying it directly.

The players will probably do better today against Killie than anticipated simply because the new man will be watching. But I can't see Stevie G coming up against a guy with the mental toughness and managerial experience of Neil Lennon and not getting his arse handed to him. Same with Clarke. Those guys are real pro managers, McInnes as well actually.

I get the feeling Stevie isn't taking all of this too seriously. As Strachan said, he really should be.
McInnes :lol:

He'll still be getting his arse handed to him by a rookie manager next season. The guy is a total loser.
I'm quite stunned by the arrogance of SG's remarks. He spoke with all the panache of a boxer ahead of a title fight.
Throughout his career SG enjoyed hero status on a global scale. This guy is worshipped as a sporting icon around the world and that kind of attention must do things to your head. Perhaps, convince you that you have the midas touch, that failure is something that happens to other people.
Whatever the case may be, SG has no idea what it will feel like to have 40-50 thousand zombies booing his team off the park after his first game at aye-brokes. These fans have been wiping shampoo out their eyes the last 6 years and if it all goes breests up SG will feel the heat like he has never even imagined possible.
If he really appreciated just how badly this could go - and probably will - I don't think he would have touched it with a barge pole :lol:
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To summarise the speculation.

Is this what people are hinting at?

King wants the previous investors to write off their loans. He can then get someone to buy up all the shares for 20p thus inheriting an almost debt free business (Close Loan and trading debts aside ) for approx £16m or less if the concert party are to take a bath with their shares as well as loans?

Park et al are refusing to write off their loans?

The funding of the Gerrard deal / revolution is put in jeopardy.

Park is then the stumbling block to stopping 10 in a row?

I have no inside info just trying to patch together the info posted.
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5 May 2018, 09:33 AM
I thought Gerrard came across as very naive in his press conference. Saying things like, "bring it on" and, "I'm here to make these people smile", seemed either very arrogant or at best very misguided.

I think it's the latter. Gerrard has no idea what he's just walked into and - like most people down south - has completely underestimated the enormity of the task. It wouldn't surprise me if he doesn't really have any knowledge of Sevco's financial problems, the seedy past of the dead club, or the basket case structure of the current one.

Brendan's comments regards the appointment were pretty measured. Nice, polite, yet at the same time they made it clear he is going to crush this guy without actually saying it directly.

The players will probably do better today against Killie than anticipated simply because the new man will be watching. But I can't see Stevie G coming up against a guy with the mental toughness and managerial experience of Neil Lennon and not getting his arse handed to him. Same with Clarke. Those guys are real pro managers, McInnes as well actually.

I get the feeling Stevie isn't taking all of this too seriously. As Strachan said, he really should be.
I don't think the task of competing with celtic is as enormous as some claim, for instance they have played a bit better in spells under murty and if their home form had been a bit better they would likely have 2nd sewn up. It just that no way is gerrard equipped to deal with the inevitable implosion after every setback thats coming along the way.

Even with current levels of spending gerrard will fancy his chances of improving them. Thats why he is there. It's about as low risk a gamble as he could have got for his first job in management. If he had gone to some English championship club it would have been a much,much more difficult and a lot less publicity .
Edited by MILLIGANS ISLAND, 5 May 2018, 11:33 AM.
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5 May 2018, 11:24 AM
To summarise the speculation.

Is this what people are hinting at?

King wants the previous investors to write off their loans. He can then get someone to buy up all the shares for 20p thus inheriting an almost debt free business (Close Loan and trading debts aside ) for approx £16m or less if the concert party are to take a bath with their shares as well as loans?

Park et al are refusing to write off their loans?

The funding of the Gerrard deal / revolution is put in jeopardy.

Park is then the stumbling block to stopping 10 in a row?

I have no inside info just trying to patch together the info posted.
Your problem is even trying to make sense of anything hinted at in this thread. If everything hinted at here came true the huns would've died another 10 times by now and McInnes would've been approached instead of Gerrard (Phil said it so it must be true).
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Oh FFS. Imagine letting that out. Bell already hates him. David Brent at the end there.
:lol: :lol:

Jimmy Bell. A face like a bulldog licking pish off a nettle. And that's when he's happy.
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"Yer weans called wit"?

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If there isn't major funding they won't come 2nd. McAllister is also a pretty shampooe coach.
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Oh FFS. Imagine letting that out. Bell already hates him. David Brent at the end there.
Is there any other club in World football where the new manager needs to win over the kitman to stand a chance?
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That's the first time I've seen the home changing room. Every effing nook and cranny of that place looks like a masonic lodge.
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To summarise the speculation.

Is this what people are hinting at?

King wants the previous investors to write off their loans. He can then get someone to buy up all the shares for 20p thus inheriting an almost debt free business (Close Loan and trading debts aside ) for approx £16m or less if the concert party are to take a bath with their shares as well as loans?

Park et al are refusing to write off their loans?

The funding of the Gerrard deal / revolution is put in jeopardy.

Park is then the stumbling block to stopping 10 in a row?

I have no inside info just trying to patch together the info posted.
Your problem is even trying to make sense of anything hinted at in this thread. If everything hinted at here came true the huns would've died another 10 times by now and McInnes would've been approached instead of Gerrard (Phil said it so it must be true).
:lol:
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Great call.
It was the rational call. Rational calls when proved wrong in reality dont become the wrong call.

This move is madness ( dressed up as risk in the media ) for both parties.

Gerrard has more to lose than he has probably calculated in. Not one person in their history ( player, manager, exec or board member ) has left with their reputation enhanced. This could irreparably damage his brand and managerial career

He has shown an arrogance that he doesn’t need to learn a new profession. Brands take years to build up and moments to destroy, he should be in a job where his contribution and lack are hidden from public view until he has learned the ropes.

This is not Souness all over again the world has changed since 1986, Souness was a cheque book manager he was seen for what he was as a manager after he left, his managerial record was dismal post Rangers and Smith showed that Souness wasn’t the differentiator, the money was..

For a club formed on the back of a demise due to reckless spending what they need is certainty and stability. They crave the instant success of the Souness era but don’t understand the differences between then and now make that nothing more than a pipe dream.

Either they are now going to compete on less than 1/3 of the budget of Celtic or they are going to throw money they don’t have at it for the prize of what? At best breaking even in an arms race with an impressively run Celtic. The previous club died trying to match Celtic’s achievements, this one is more obsessed with 10 in a row than we are to the point it can’t stick to it’s knitting.

Both the manager and the club have shown an impatience for instant success instead of building something through hard work, effort and time. This rapaciousness very rarely ends well.

We knew Rangers were capable of this ( just look at their managers since their inception ) but we were not sure if Gerrard was. He has made a stupid call one that some posters thought he was clever enough to avoid, they were wrong but their logic was right.

We know two more things today than we did yesterday.

1. Steve Gerrard is arrogant towards the profession he has just entered.
2. No one at Rangers has learned anything about financial prudence and building a business on the basis of adding value over time. They continue to trade at a loss with no feasible business plan that rises above the world of wishful thinking.

Wishing sometimes work, but it is not really a competitor to a solid plan, financial muscle, good organisation, the discipline to be patient and hard work.


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He just oozes charisma.
What was said ? I couldn't make it out ?
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Oh FFS. Imagine letting that out. Bell already hates him. David Brent at the end there.
:lol: :lol:

Jimmy Bell. A face like a bulldog licking pish off a nettle. And that's when he's happy.
Called him Mr Gerrard though, that's the important thing.

What a dour, miserable wee bigot he is.
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