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Generic 'Open Goal' thread; Simon Ferry meets.....
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Not listened to most of the last few. There have been some good ones, pretty funny in parts.

Ferry always talks extremely well of Tommy Burns too, as you'd expect, as do a lot of his interviewees.

The one down side in a lot of them I have watched is the apparent running theme that youth team level players at clubs nowadays don't know how good they've got it compared to what Simon would have you believe were salt mine shifts of days of yore.

This is coming from 30 year old Simon Ferry, interviewing many of his peers, most of whom, whatever way you want to cut it, have contributed to a stand out era of Scottish international and European competition failure.

Well aware there are exceptions to that. However it's a bit much hearing from players who achieved next to nothing at international level through youth to full international ranks talking about what's wrong with the way young players are coached or developed today, like their era was one of unbridled success.
Yeah that has been a running theme, sounding a bit like pensioners who lived during the war “these young ones these days don’t know how good they’ve got it”.
It's absolutely tedious. Coming from luminaries like Kevin Thomson too. :cuckoo:
To be fair Thomson had a decent career and played in a European final, injuries robbed him of a lot.

Thomson, Brown, Whittaker, O'Connor, Riordan, Flwtcher, Murphy. They were a couple of players away from being a very good side.
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absolute cracking interview with Marvin Andrews.



class, funny fecker.
just seems an infectious character. plus i had no idea Livi finished third in that season!?
They did, which helped convince us that David Fernandez was the new Lubo.

Also ended up signing Broto from them too a few months later.
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Not listened to most of the last few. There have been some good ones, pretty funny in parts.

Ferry always talks extremely well of Tommy Burns too, as you'd expect, as do a lot of his interviewees.

The one down side in a lot of them I have watched is the apparent running theme that youth team level players at clubs nowadays don't know how good they've got it compared to what Simon would have you believe were salt mine shifts of days of yore.

This is coming from 30 year old Simon Ferry, interviewing many of his peers, most of whom, whatever way you want to cut it, have contributed to a stand out era of Scottish international and European competition failure.

Well aware there are exceptions to that. However it's a bit much hearing from players who achieved next to nothing at international level through youth to full international ranks talking about what's wrong with the way young players are coached or developed today, like their era was one of unbridled success.
Agree with this completely
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Not listened to most of the last few. There have been some good ones, pretty funny in parts.

Ferry always talks extremely well of Tommy Burns too, as you'd expect, as do a lot of his interviewees.

The one down side in a lot of them I have watched is the apparent running theme that youth team level players at clubs nowadays don't know how good they've got it compared to what Simon would have you believe were salt mine shifts of days of yore.

This is coming from 30 year old Simon Ferry, interviewing many of his peers, most of whom, whatever way you want to cut it, have contributed to a stand out era of Scottish international and European competition failure.

Well aware there are exceptions to that. However it's a bit much hearing from players who achieved next to nothing at international level through youth to full international ranks talking about what's wrong with the way young players are coached or developed today, like their era was one of unbridled success.
Yep. Ferry bemoaning the lack of banter at clubs these days is tiresome. Basically condoning bullying in my opinion.

The game has moved on.

Still love his interviews though.
Edited by allthewine, 10 Apr 2018, 10:36 AM.
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'So ye started at *insert club*. Wit wur the first team like were they hard on ye?'

'Wit aboot yer mum n that were they hard on ye?'

'Ye played under *insert manager*. How was he? Wis he hard on ye?'
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Always knew Big Marv would prove to be great entertainment value :ph43r:

Really good interview and the big man seems like a genuinely nice guy.
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10 Apr 2018, 10:43 AM
'So ye started at *insert club*. Wit wur the first team like were they hard on ye?'

'Wit aboot yer mum n that were they hard on ye?'

'Ye played under *insert manager*. How was he? Wis he hard on ye?'
Who were the characters in the dressing room eh?

Do you think that's something lost on the younger generation now less characters eh?

Do you think they are overcoached eh?



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10 Apr 2018, 10:43 AM
'So ye started at *insert club*. Wit wur the first team like were they hard on ye?'

'Wit aboot yer mum n that were they hard on ye?'

'Ye played under *insert manager*. How was he? Wis he hard on ye?'
Who were the characters in the dressing room eh?

Do you think that's something lost on the younger generation now less characters eh?

Do you think they are overcoached eh?



:lol:
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Even though he played for them I think it would be physically impossible to dislike Marvin Andrews.
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10 Apr 2018, 08:48 PM
Even though he played for them I think it would be physically impossible to dislike Marvin Andrews.
Come to think of it he seemed quite a likeable chap even when he was playing for them. :lol:
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Even though he played for them I think it would be physically impossible to dislike Marvin Andrews.
One of only a few hun players I liked.
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Even though he played for them I think it would be physically impossible to dislike Marvin Andrews.
One of only a few hun players I liked.
Who were the others?
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Even though he played for them I think it would be physically impossible to dislike Marvin Andrews.
One of only a few hun players I liked.
Who were the others?
Laudrup, even though he always did well against us. Van Bronhurst seemed ok as well.

Hated Gough,Hately and Goram with a passion.
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I enjoyed the Hartson one - but he doesn't half get a lot of facts and events wrong?

I found it similar with the Stubbs one. Seemed to continually mention players playing together who never played together (Van Hooijdonk and Larsson), and also seemed to think that Andy Thom was one of the '3 Amigos'?
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I enjoyed the Hartson one - but he doesn't half get a lot of facts and events wrong?

I found it similar with the Stubbs one. Seemed to continually mention players playing together who never played together (Van Hooijdonk and Larsson), and also seemed to think that Andy Thom was one of the '3 Amigos'?
Someone mentioned it earlier and I spent about two hours looking up games and results in order to find the Motherwell semi final goal that Harrison said he set up for Maloney. Is there a closed doors tournament they all play? :ponder:
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Hartson one was okay, feel like Ferry couldn't get a word in.

Hartson seems to hate the huns for knocking him back. Think he is a bit bitter about it.
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Not listened to most of the last few. There have been some good ones, pretty funny in parts.

Ferry always talks extremely well of Tommy Burns too, as you'd expect, as do a lot of his interviewees.

The one down side in a lot of them I have watched is the apparent running theme that youth team level players at clubs nowadays don't know how good they've got it compared to what Simon would have you believe were salt mine shifts of days of yore.

This is coming from 30 year old Simon Ferry, interviewing many of his peers, most of whom, whatever way you want to cut it, have contributed to a stand out era of Scottish international and European competition failure.

Well aware there are exceptions to that. However it's a bit much hearing from players who achieved next to nothing at international level through youth to full international ranks talking about what's wrong with the way young players are coached or developed today, like their era was one of unbridled success.
Agree with this completely
My experience as well, enjoyed them and been impressed with si ferry's interview skills, but listening to a guy like Barry Ferguson who although a talented player couldve achieved a lot more, continuously criticise young players today for their attitudes and inteleiigence is a bit rich, esp given his scotland scandal, bankruptcy and getting sacked off clyde. The fact that si ferry was playing for peterhead before the age of 30 suggests wasted potential and a more productive youth team environment couldve made him a better player. Seems a lot of the Scottish players around this time, had a lot of confidence off the park but not on it.
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Not listened to most of the last few. There have been some good ones, pretty funny in parts.

Ferry always talks extremely well of Tommy Burns too, as you'd expect, as do a lot of his interviewees.

The one down side in a lot of them I have watched is the apparent running theme that youth team level players at clubs nowadays don't know how good they've got it compared to what Simon would have you believe were salt mine shifts of days of yore.

This is coming from 30 year old Simon Ferry, interviewing many of his peers, most of whom, whatever way you want to cut it, have contributed to a stand out era of Scottish international and European competition failure.

Well aware there are exceptions to that. However it's a bit much hearing from players who achieved next to nothing at international level through youth to full international ranks talking about what's wrong with the way young players are coached or developed today, like their era was one of unbridled success.
Agree with this completely
My experience as well, enjoyed them and been impressed with si ferry's interview skills, but listening to a guy like Barry Ferguson who although a talented player couldve achieved a lot more, continuously criticise young players today for their attitudes and inteleiigence is a bit rich, esp given his scotland scandal, bankruptcy and getting sacked off clyde. The fact that si ferry was playing for peterhead before the age of 30 suggests wasted potential and a more productive youth team environment couldve made him a better player. Seems a lot of the Scottish players around this time, had a lot of confidence off the park but not on it.
Both us and oldco made a UEFA cup final and got to the last 16 of the Champions League a couple of times in their playing careers.

I do think Celtic and Hibs produced decent youngsters at the time that Ferry was at Celtic. Through bad luck some of them never made it as high as they should have, others would never have got into Martin O'Neills team at the time, others under achieved but still had decent careers elsewhere but guys like Kennedy, McGeady, Maloney, McManus, Charlie Adam, Ferguson, Alan McGregor, Liam Miller, Hutton, David Marshall, Scott Brown, Fletcher, O'Conner, Riordan, Whittaker, Kevin Thomson have at points shown enough to either gets decent game time at us or old co or got a move to the premiership or a European team.

A lot of wasted potential but that's more what happened to them at first team level and off the field rather than in youth teams.

I have no idea how the youth system is run now but does Scotland have any players who have the potential as the above (before some of them pissed that potential away).

Ferguson's mistake was going to Blackburn. I think oldco forced him into it but he could and should have went to a better team.

Hartson got a lot of big moves but didn't take care of himself.

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Not listened to most of the last few. There have been some good ones, pretty funny in parts.

Ferry always talks extremely well of Tommy Burns too, as you'd expect, as do a lot of his interviewees.

The one down side in a lot of them I have watched is the apparent running theme that youth team level players at clubs nowadays don't know how good they've got it compared to what Simon would have you believe were salt mine shifts of days of yore.

This is coming from 30 year old Simon Ferry, interviewing many of his peers, most of whom, whatever way you want to cut it, have contributed to a stand out era of Scottish international and European competition failure.

Well aware there are exceptions to that. However it's a bit much hearing from players who achieved next to nothing at international level through youth to full international ranks talking about what's wrong with the way young players are coached or developed today, like their era was one of unbridled success.
Agree with this completely
My experience as well, enjoyed them and been impressed with si ferry's interview skills, but listening to a guy like Barry Ferguson who although a talented player couldve achieved a lot more, continuously criticise young players today for their attitudes and inteleiigence is a bit rich, esp given his scotland scandal, bankruptcy and getting sacked off clyde. The fact that si ferry was playing for peterhead before the age of 30 suggests wasted potential and a more productive youth team environment couldve made him a better player. Seems a lot of the Scottish players around this time, had a lot of confidence off the park but not on it.
Yeah, ironically I think the same 'problems' that plague the young Scottish players of today are the exact same that the last generation had. Doesn't matter how hard you train if you don't have the mindset of a professional.

If anything the young guys these days like Henderson, Burke, Gauld and even Watt (for month spells.. :lol: ) who went to another country outside of their comfort zone and tried to adapt deserve more credit than those that came before them, even if they don't make it. How is that spoiled? Mulgrew hiding in the cupboard to put sugar in his tea - that's spoiled ffs. You're paid thousands of pounds a week as a full time athlete so have a bit of self control.
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My experience as well, enjoyed them and been impressed with si ferry's interview skills, but listening to a guy like Barry Ferguson who although a talented player couldve achieved a lot more, continuously criticise young players today for their attitudes and inteleiigence is a bit rich, esp given his scotland scandal, bankruptcy and getting sacked off clyde. The fact that si ferry was playing for peterhead before the age of 30 suggests wasted potential and a more productive youth team environment couldve made him a better player. Seems a lot of the Scottish players around this time, had a lot of confidence off the park but not on it.
Yeah, ironically I think the same 'problems' that plague the young Scottish players of today are the exact same that the last generation had. Doesn't matter how hard you train if you don't have the mindset of a professional.

If anything the young guys these days like Henderson, Burke, Gauld and even Watt (for month spells.. :lol: ) who went to another country outside of their comfort zone and tried to adapt deserve more credit than those that came before them, even if they don't make it. How is that spoiled? Mulgrew hiding in the cupboard to put sugar in his tea - that's spoiled ffs. You're paid thousands of pounds a week as a full time athlete so have a bit of self control.
I wonder if they specifically mean Scottish football though or are they more talking about players who are getting vaccuumed up by Chelsea and Man City (and us to a far lesser extent?) and paid decent money for their age, in turn thinking they've made it already
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