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Champions League Qualifying 2018/19; 1st Round - Alashkert (ARM). Away first. 2nd Round - Valur Reykjavic (ISL) or Rosenborg (NOR). Home first.
Topic Started: 27 Feb 2018, 10:42 AM (112,721 Views)
GanleyBhoy95
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wigwam
27 Feb 2018, 03:05 PM
GanleyBhoy95
27 Feb 2018, 02:59 PM
This is getting beyond a joke now, were one step off the whole competition becoming a closed shop. UEFA are afraid to stand up to the elite clubs too in fear of them leaving the competition all together but they need to do something. 4 leagues having 4 automatic spots is a piss take. All non champions should be going through at least one qualifier to get into the competition.

As Lawwell had mentioned in an interview a few weeks back, the future looks to be going towards an extended Europa league. Hopefully the elite clubs eff off to their own competition and the rest of us can compete in a fair European league of some sort.
What would be the point? Liverpool are taking 5 of post Christmas opponents FFS and they will be nowhere near the prize.
I get what you're saying, it's already gone too far but UEFA aren't doing anything to help by giving more money to the rich. I could see there being a big breakaway in 10 years or so
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Wailer
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Kingslim
27 Feb 2018, 12:16 PM
2 x ST’s, 4 qualifiers, then CL tickets in the space of 3 months.

Wife will be delighted.

Pray for Slim :pray:
Ah well at least you won't need to worry about your baws when the time comes !
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pablo5
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Whatever it is, there's not enough of it
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GanleyBhoy95
27 Feb 2018, 03:44 PM
wigwam
27 Feb 2018, 03:05 PM
GanleyBhoy95
27 Feb 2018, 02:59 PM
This is getting beyond a joke now, were one step off the whole competition becoming a closed shop. UEFA are afraid to stand up to the elite clubs too in fear of them leaving the competition all together but they need to do something. 4 leagues having 4 automatic spots is a piss take. All non champions should be going through at least one qualifier to get into the competition.

As Lawwell had mentioned in an interview a few weeks back, the future looks to be going towards an extended Europa league. Hopefully the elite clubs eff off to their own competition and the rest of us can compete in a fair European league of some sort.
What would be the point? Liverpool are taking 5 of post Christmas opponents FFS and they will be nowhere near the prize.
I get what you're saying, it's already gone too far but UEFA aren't doing anything to help by giving more money to the rich. I could see there being a big breakaway in 10 years or so
From UEFA'S point of view that's actually what they're trying to prevent.

The Champions League really doesn't make the money it should. Considering the size of the market and the money generated by comparible North American sport it's underperforming.

The big clubs are threatening to break off and play a competition outside of UEFA if they don't get their way, which is to increase the number of guaranteed big name clubs in the matches.
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Balham_Tic
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Football has been largely ruined at this level for me now. Little enjoyment in it. It is what it is: a loaded deck.

Completely frustrating. Something needs to change for clubs in our situation.
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Bhoyball
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SaMule
27 Feb 2018, 03:42 PM
Are they keeping the same number of coefficient points for EL wins as for CL wins?

If so we might be able to remain seeded for a while even if we don't qualify this year, you'd have to think we'd win more games in an average EL group than we've managed in the CL groups lately.
Yes 2 for a win , one for a draw.
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pablo5
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You get more points for getting to the CL groups though.
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Bhoyball
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pablo5
27 Feb 2018, 03:58 PM
You get more points for getting to the CL groups though.
Yeah you get one more but chances of getting bonus win or draw points are obviously greatly reduced.
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CARLOW BHOY
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Its getting boring and predictable the sooner the small nations break away the better
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There's nothing positive to say about any of this. I want out. Don't care how it's done but we need to leave UEFA competition and take the rest of the also rans with us. Leave the cartel to their own devices.
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wigwam
27 Feb 2018, 03:05 PM
GanleyBhoy95
27 Feb 2018, 02:59 PM
This is getting beyond a joke now, were one step off the whole competition becoming a closed shop. UEFA are afraid to stand up to the elite clubs too in fear of them leaving the competition all together but they need to do something. 4 leagues having 4 automatic spots is a piss take. All non champions should be going through at least one qualifier to get into the competition.

As Lawwell had mentioned in an interview a few weeks back, the future looks to be going towards an extended Europa league. Hopefully the elite clubs eff off to their own competition and the rest of us can compete in a fair European league of some sort.
What would be the point? Liverpool are taking 5 of post Christmas opponents FFS and they will be nowhere near the prize.
A bit of fairness and credibility?

What's the point in us pumping teams in the 1st and 2nd round qualifiers? There is no point to the games, but we still have to play them because we're not in a league getting billions of pounds poured into it.

There is no credibility to a competition admitting more and more clubs from the same top leagues, it is as close to being invite only as you can get other than actually hand picking the teams.
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CARLOW BHOY
27 Feb 2018, 04:22 PM
Its getting boring and predictable the sooner the small nations break away the better
This.

I barely bother watching it if Celtic aren't in it and if we are I just pray we don't get humiliated.

From the way Lawwell was talking recently there is changes coming to the Europa and sounds like that is where he sees us. Couldn't care less if we aren't in the CL anymore as long as it's because the Europa has been revamped and there is more money involved from being part of that.
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Greenock_Celt
27 Feb 2018, 04:53 PM
CARLOW BHOY
27 Feb 2018, 04:22 PM
Its getting boring and predictable the sooner the small nations break away the better
This.

I barely bother watching it if Celtic aren't in it and if we are I just pray we don't get humiliated.

From the way Lawwell was talking recently there is changes coming to the Europa and sounds like that is where he sees us. Couldn't care less if we aren't in the CL anymore as long as it's because the Europa has been revamped and there is more money involved from being part of that.
I never watch it unless Celtic are playing. I haven't seen any of the last 3 finals.
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weeShughie
27 Feb 2018, 04:56 PM
Greenock_Celt
27 Feb 2018, 04:53 PM
CARLOW BHOY
27 Feb 2018, 04:22 PM
Its getting boring and predictable the sooner the small nations break away the better
This.

I barely bother watching it if Celtic aren't in it and if we are I just pray we don't get humiliated.

From the way Lawwell was talking recently there is changes coming to the Europa and sounds like that is where he sees us. Couldn't care less if we aren't in the CL anymore as long as it's because the Europa has been revamped and there is more money involved from being part of that.
I never watch it unless Celtic are playing. I haven't seen any of the last 3 finals.
Same as that....or if i did watch i cant remember. Games that mean nothing to me...like tgat shampooty cup in england on Sunday...manufactured bollox
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weeShughie
27 Feb 2018, 04:56 PM
Greenock_Celt
27 Feb 2018, 04:53 PM
CARLOW BHOY
27 Feb 2018, 04:22 PM
Its getting boring and predictable the sooner the small nations break away the better
This.

I barely bother watching it if Celtic aren't in it and if we are I just pray we don't get humiliated.

From the way Lawwell was talking recently there is changes coming to the Europa and sounds like that is where he sees us. Couldn't care less if we aren't in the CL anymore as long as it's because the Europa has been revamped and there is more money involved from being part of that.
I never watch it unless Celtic are playing. I haven't seen any of the last 3 finals.
Same here. Can't get motivated to watch it all that much if Celtic are not involved. Same teams passing the cup around.

Having said that, the wife asks me occasionally if I ever get bored Celtic winning everything domestically........but that's different......
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27 Feb 2018, 03:46 PM
Kingslim
27 Feb 2018, 12:16 PM
2 x ST’s, 4 qualifiers, then CL tickets in the space of 3 months.

Wife will be delighted.

Pray for Slim :pray:
Ah well at least you won't need to worry about your baws when the time comes !
:lol:
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Kingslim
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weeShughie
27 Feb 2018, 04:56 PM
Greenock_Celt
27 Feb 2018, 04:53 PM
CARLOW BHOY
27 Feb 2018, 04:22 PM
Its getting boring and predictable the sooner the small nations break away the better
This.

I barely bother watching it if Celtic aren't in it and if we are I just pray we don't get humiliated.

From the way Lawwell was talking recently there is changes coming to the Europa and sounds like that is where he sees us. Couldn't care less if we aren't in the CL anymore as long as it's because the Europa has been revamped and there is more money involved from being part of that.
I never watch it unless Celtic are playing. I haven't seen any of the last 3 finals.
I was at the final last season, but other than when we're in it, I don't' bother now.
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Wailer
27 Feb 2018, 03:46 PM
Kingslim
27 Feb 2018, 12:16 PM
2 x ST’s, 4 qualifiers, then CL tickets in the space of 3 months.

Wife will be delighted.

Pray for Slim :pray:
Ah well at least you won't need to worry about your baws when the time comes !
:lol:

:boxer:
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Tim Waits
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A lot of this was known in outline already thanks to the diligent reporting of Moravcik67 and others, but it is still grim reading to see it all laid out like this. We're going to struggle. Our players are already playing more games & minutes than almost anyone else in Europe, and now we'll need to hit the ground running even harder before the domestic league is even properly underway. We'll be running on fumes by next December if we manage to stay in every competition. Either that or we'll need a 40-man squad ...
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The CL doesn’t have a soul. For us it’s now about taking our cheque along with our pumpins. Haven’t enjoyed the last two campaigns.
It’s built to serve the elite clubs. I like the though of a breakaway competition with Dutch, Belgian, Scandinavian sides, but don’t see this as a reality. Our club is now a development club for these elite sides who walk into the competition.
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With the odd exception very few different teams will make the CL semi finals. In the past 6 years only 9 different teams have made the semis, with 4 teams accounting for 17 out of 24 of those participants i.e. Real, Bayern, Barca and Atletico. Safe to say, but for a freak draw, SF's are well out of our grasp.
QF's should be an aspiration especially with a kinder draw, like Leicester last year. In the past few years teams closer to our ability than to Real's have reached the QF's. This includes Apoel, Marseille, Galatasary, Malaga, Porto, Wolfsburg and Benfica.
Boils down to, is an occasional last 16 or QF appearance good enough for us? I would say so. If not we may as well always try to finish third in the CL groups and hope to go further in the EL.
Reality is that outside the top 10/12 teams, probably realistically only 5/6, no one else is going to win the CL for the foreseeable.
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