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| duffsticks | 27 Feb 2018, 02:01 PM Post #41 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Cheap aftershave and bullshampoo
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Given that only one team from outwith the current top 10 leagues has won a European trophy in the last 22 years - and that was the UEFA Cup, when there wasn't the prize of a CL spot for winning it - it's fair to say the top 10 leagues have a lock-down on 26 of the 32 spots in the CL groups. For us, the Champions qualifying route is reduced to four places. Our current coefficient (which is what the seedings are based on) is 31.000. At present, the following teams with a higher (or equal) coefficient could still make the Champions qualifying route for next season:
League results are in our favour at the moment - Sparta Prague and Basel are miles off the pace in their respective leagues, and Copenhagen's poor form suggests they'll do well to win the Championship play-off in Denmark. So if we make it that far, we should be seeded in next season's final round of qualifying. However, that's not something we can take for granted anymore, given the calibre of the teams who could make it. Edited by duffsticks, 27 Feb 2018, 02:03 PM.
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| Hail!Hail! | 27 Feb 2018, 02:04 PM Post #42 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Retired and now a BT Sports pundit
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I take it country protection is away in the group stages then? Otherwise there gonna be hardly much point in having a "draw" | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| green_equals_silver | 27 Feb 2018, 02:12 PM Post #43 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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What's the point? Just call it the A-league and hand pick the teams that'll make UEFA more money and have a B-cup for the rest of us tits | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| Bhoyball | 27 Feb 2018, 02:15 PM Post #44 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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No trouble with trebles.
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Sevco have to get to group stages to even have a chance of increasing their coeficient for next season. They would get 2.5pts for being eliminated in the playoff round (their 4th qualifying tie) but that would only put them on 2.75 . So they would again use the country coefficient of 3.75 next year. ( though i guess that moves a little too) . Basically they are fecked for years to come unless they qualify for groups and win a few games once they get there. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| OverAndOver | 27 Feb 2018, 02:16 PM Post #45 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Considering retirement
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and if it wasn't they would be down in about 600th place |
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| Ned Rise | 27 Feb 2018, 02:23 PM Post #46 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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These boots were made for hunbustin'
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We shouldn't have to go through 4 rounds of qualifiers because 4 countries have put together a cartel where they've nabbed half the places and gave out scraps to everyone else to fight over, then further stacked the odds in their favour through seeding and effectively a gerrymandered group stage, before we even get to their creative accounting and transfer loopholes. It used to be a good competition because anyone could win it. Now it's brighter, shinier and drowning in tapped money, but it's poorer all the same. |
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| damosuzuki | 27 Feb 2018, 02:29 PM Post #47 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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First name on the team-sheet
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Cede and start a breakaway league, so no drop down for the carrots. It's a joke these days. The only reason they want a few weak teams even near it is to make some money for the top league teams in the group stages. I wish UEFA would eff off. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| weeShughie | 27 Feb 2018, 02:43 PM Post #48 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Getting on a bit
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If they're going to load the CL with teams from only 4 countries then why not just have another tournament for the rest of us? A season beginning in mid-July is ridiculous for any team but for those that make it to the CL and maybe into the EL that's a ludicrous number of games to play. If you add an international tournament to that players from some countries won't get a rest at all. |
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| Mrs HF4Ls Biggest fan | 27 Feb 2018, 02:45 PM Post #49 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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The sad thing is so are we. Until Sevco and Aberdeen start contributing serious points we are stuck with this nightmare of 4 rounds of qualifying (if we are lucky) to make the CL group stages. To make the 10th ranked nation it looks like we need to double our average points per team. I am not sure how many years it would take of the two of them reaching the group stages and doing well there to boost us to that level, but it could be as much as 4. And that assumes we keep performing at the same level as now
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| Bhoyball | 27 Feb 2018, 02:53 PM Post #50 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Automatic qualification is not a realistic aim now. We could get up to 17th and so start off in 2nd round but tough to improve on that in the near term,. A realsitic aim is for us to be seeded in these qualifiers. The whole format sucks but its not impossible just yet for us. |
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| One sharp cookie | 27 Feb 2018, 02:53 PM Post #51 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Getting on a bit
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Agree with this to a point. The other Scottish teams have been nothing short of an embarrassment but we’ve not shown ourselves to be a team worthy of automatic qualification. I’d say being seeded in the champions route (as we’ve been for the last few years) is probably about right for where we are as a team right now. |
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| Still Game | 27 Feb 2018, 02:54 PM Post #52 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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First name on the team-sheet
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Having to play that first round makes next to no difference, two friendlies. Our only problem will come in potentially facing a stronger team in the fourth round. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| justin thyme | 27 Feb 2018, 02:56 PM Post #53 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Yes, completely agree with you. UEFA should stop being hypocrites and say it like it is. a special league for all the big hitters who can give them lots of jubbly money! Everyone else should get together and create a good old fashioned knock out tournament called the HONEST CUP |
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| GanleyBhoy95 | 27 Feb 2018, 02:59 PM Post #54 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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This is getting beyond a joke now, were one step off the whole competition becoming a closed shop. UEFA are afraid to stand up to the elite clubs too in fear of them leaving the competition all together but they need to do something. 4 leagues having 4 automatic spots is a piss take. All non champions should be going through at least one qualifier to get into the competition. As Lawwell had mentioned in an interview a few weeks back, the future looks to be going towards an extended Europa league. Hopefully the elite clubs eff off to their own competition and the rest of us can compete in a fair European league of some sort. |
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| wigwam | 27 Feb 2018, 03:04 PM Post #55 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Older than dirt
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We could hand the CL cheque to charity to show how in-hypocritical we are?
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| Scotty_Bhoy_7 | 27 Feb 2018, 03:05 PM Post #56 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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vive le celtique
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A Dutch team perhaps? Or do we avoid them due to the home result v Zenit? Sure someone mentioned that. |
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| wigwam | 27 Feb 2018, 03:05 PM Post #57 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Older than dirt
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What would be the point? Liverpool are taking 5 of post Christmas opponents FFS and they will be nowhere near the prize. |
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| pablo5 | 27 Feb 2018, 03:19 PM Post #58 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Whatever it is, there's not enough of it
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It's actually in the best interests of Scottish football for us to win the league. If Sevco or Aberdeen went into CL or EL qualifying they'd have very little chance of making the groups because they'd be unseeded. We are actually in a position to make it and bring the bonus money in for all the teams in the league however. Wonder if they'll allow us to manipulate our schedule to maximise that return? |
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| duffsticks | 27 Feb 2018, 03:20 PM Post #59 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Cheap aftershave and bullshampoo
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Whether we get seeded or not depends largely on who wins the Czech, Swiss, Austrian, Dutch, Greek and Danish leagues. There are teams in those leagues who currently have a higher UEFA club coefficient than us. If they win their respective leagues, and we all make it to the last round of qualifying next season, Celtic would be unseeded. As it is, teams like Olympiakos, Sparta Prague, Copenhagen and Basel - all sides with a higher coefficient than us - are doing a good job of cocking their leagues up. So for next season, it looks like we will be seeded if we make it to the last round of qualifying. However - unless we dramatically improve our club coefficient by competing deep into European competitions over the next few seasons, I expect that to be the exception rather than the norm. |
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| SaMule | 27 Feb 2018, 03:42 PM Post #60 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Are they keeping the same number of coefficient points for EL wins as for CL wins? If so we might be able to remain seeded for a while even if we don't qualify this year, you'd have to think we'd win more games in an average EL group than we've managed in the CL groups lately. |
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