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Champions League Qualifying 2018/19; 1st Round - Alashkert (ARM). Away first. 2nd Round - Valur Reykjavic (ISL) or Rosenborg (NOR). Home first.
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20 May 2018, 11:18 PM
On the back of the great news that Livingstone are making it 3 plastic pitches out of 12 in our own league, can we assume that maybe the first 3 away qualifiers, if we get that far, will be played on the same surfaces as the Red Imps farce last year?
Everyone under 40 will tell you 4G is the future, of course :(
One of the strangest criticisms of artificial pitches is that they are all different. It's almost like all grass pitches are uniform
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20 May 2018, 11:18 PM
Everyone under 40 will tell you 4G is the future, of course :(
No they won't
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20 May 2018, 10:37 PM
All 26 automatic group places now filled. There are 22 teams who would be ranked above us, 4 ranked below. It means that if any 2 of the teams who come through qualifying are ranked above us then we'll be Pot 4 again - should we reach the group stage ourselves of course. In short, to make Pot 3 we'd need 6 of PSV, Ludogorets, Salzburg, Dynamo Kyiv, Ajax, Basel and Benfica to be eliminated in qualifying. Pot 4 it is then. If we get there. :ph43r:
Do all CL qualifiers from the "big leagues" go straight into the group stages?

If so then we will have:

Liverpool, 25 points behind MC
Valencia, 20 points behind Barca
Dortmund, 29 points behind Bayern
Lyon, only 15 points behind PSG
Inter, 23 points behind Juve

What a feckin joke, some of these teams will be as close to relegation spots in their own leagues as they are to their actual Champions. (maybe not, but you get where I'm coming from)

I would seriously be in favour of telling these leagues to feck off and play wae yersel.
Edited by bigdavie, 21 May 2018, 10:07 AM.
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21 May 2018, 10:05 AM
moravcik67
20 May 2018, 10:37 PM
All 26 automatic group places now filled. There are 22 teams who would be ranked above us, 4 ranked below. It means that if any 2 of the teams who come through qualifying are ranked above us then we'll be Pot 4 again - should we reach the group stage ourselves of course. In short, to make Pot 3 we'd need 6 of PSV, Ludogorets, Salzburg, Dynamo Kyiv, Ajax, Basel and Benfica to be eliminated in qualifying. Pot 4 it is then. If we get there. :ph43r:
Do all CL qualifiers from the "big leagues" go straight into the group stages?

If so then we will have:

Liverpool, 25 points behind MC
Valencia, 20 points behind Barca
Dortmund, 29 points behind Bayern
Lyon, only 15 points behind PSG
Inter, 23 points behind Juve

What a feckin joke, some of these teams will be as close to relegation spots in their own leagues as they are to their actual Champions. (maybe not, but you get where I'm coming from)

I would seriously be in favour of telling these leagues to feck off and play wae yersel.
Although Inter have a decent European pedigree in their history, the fact they have been in the wilderness for the last 6/7 years and will go straight into the CL by scraping 4th place last night does piss me off slightly.
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21 May 2018, 11:15 AM
bigdavie
21 May 2018, 10:05 AM
moravcik67
20 May 2018, 10:37 PM
All 26 automatic group places now filled. There are 22 teams who would be ranked above us, 4 ranked below. It means that if any 2 of the teams who come through qualifying are ranked above us then we'll be Pot 4 again - should we reach the group stage ourselves of course. In short, to make Pot 3 we'd need 6 of PSV, Ludogorets, Salzburg, Dynamo Kyiv, Ajax, Basel and Benfica to be eliminated in qualifying. Pot 4 it is then. If we get there. :ph43r:
Do all CL qualifiers from the "big leagues" go straight into the group stages?

If so then we will have:

Liverpool, 25 points behind MC
Valencia, 20 points behind Barca
Dortmund, 29 points behind Bayern
Lyon, only 15 points behind PSG
Inter, 23 points behind Juve

What a feckin joke, some of these teams will be as close to relegation spots in their own leagues as they are to their actual Champions. (maybe not, but you get where I'm coming from)

I would seriously be in favour of telling these leagues to feck off and play wae yersel.
Although Inter have a decent European pedigree in their history, the fact they have been in the wilderness for the last 6/7 years and will go straight into the CL by scraping 4th place last night does piss me off slightly.
Was one of the reasons I wanted Lazio to hold on, despite how loathsome they are.

Inter were one of the biggest agitators for this recent carve up. Partly because they are mince and are nowhere near a title, or even been close to a CL place recently, and have been building up massive debts.
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bigdavie
21 May 2018, 10:05 AM
moravcik67
20 May 2018, 10:37 PM
All 26 automatic group places now filled. There are 22 teams who would be ranked above us, 4 ranked below. It means that if any 2 of the teams who come through qualifying are ranked above us then we'll be Pot 4 again - should we reach the group stage ourselves of course. In short, to make Pot 3 we'd need 6 of PSV, Ludogorets, Salzburg, Dynamo Kyiv, Ajax, Basel and Benfica to be eliminated in qualifying. Pot 4 it is then. If we get there. :ph43r:
Do all CL qualifiers from the "big leagues" go straight into the group stages?

If so then we will have:

Liverpool, 25 points behind MC
Valencia, 20 points behind Barca
Dortmund, 29 points behind Bayern
Lyon, only 15 points behind PSG
Inter, 23 points behind Juve

What a feckin joke, some of these teams will be as close to relegation spots in their own leagues as they are to their actual Champions. (maybe not, but you get where I'm coming from)

I would seriously be in favour of telling these leagues to feck off and play wae yersel.
The current system pretty much ensures that happens anyway, after a few hilarious gubbings around the continent.
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Forza
21 May 2018, 11:57 AM
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21 May 2018, 10:05 AM

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Although Inter have a decent European pedigree in their history, the fact they have been in the wilderness for the last 6/7 years and will go straight into the CL by scraping 4th place last night does piss me off slightly.
Was one of the reasons I wanted Lazio to hold on, despite how loathsome they are.

Inter were one of the biggest agitators for this recent carve up. Partly because they are mince and are nowhere near a title, or even been close to a CL place recently, and have been building up massive debts.
...and now, no doubt, their revenue stream will increase and their Chinese backers will plough more money into their coffers.

Carve up is right.
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21 May 2018, 08:20 AM
Moravcik, first, great work. Any thoughts/news/hints on regionalization? The draw is done on the same day for 2 rounds, so probably it will be harder to do the regionalization, they may just do "groups" on equal strength if at all, IMO.

All leagues are done, except Hungarian, Danish and Slovenian, where we are still waiting for the entrants. My Olimpija is just 2 games and 4 points away for being champions after we won 3-2 Maribor away this Saturday. We'll be unseeded throughout, a chance of meeting each other is there, I'd rather avoid it, though.
They previously regionalised the draws for the 1st, 2nd and 3rd rounds, with the playoff (4th) as an open draw.

There's no reason to believe that it will be different this season. There are new regulations in place for this 3 season cycle which don't seem to change things, but they're a bit vague around the subject. Bascally, the UEFA Competition Committee can form what groups it likes ahead of the draw.

The draw dates are all ahead of the rounds before, but that should not change the regionalisation. They'd just have to put the tie into a regional group rather than the winner, which is fairly easy given they were drawn together on a geographic basis in the first place.

At the moment you'd imagine Q1 we would get some combination of Iceland, NI, Ireland, Faroes, Denmark, Andorra, Malta or Luxembourg.

Q2 will be Scandinavia or Wales.

Q3 may not be regionalised as there are only six ties. As it stands right now, the likely opponents for us would be Croatian, Belarusian or Moldovan.

If we make the groups, it would take us 8 matches to do so. To put it into perspective, this season our domestic cup double took us 9 matches.

If we get to both Cup finals in a season and have European football after Xmas, that's 63 games.

You can see why we don't want our players involved in international friendlies.
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Although the CL is stacked against us, we do still benefit from the payouts when we get there.

Those payouts are far higher because of the introduction of more top teams, who we are becoming increasingly less competitive with due to the money they get from their domestic leagues.

It would be great to have an old school CL, or even a fairer system.

A fairer system is unlikely to be as financially lucrative
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Besiktas, Donetsk, Basel, Gent, Zenit, Dinamo Kiev and PSV have all got to the last 16 in the last few years.

I appreciate that some of them have substantially bigger budgets than us but none of those teams are a million miles away from us. The last 16 is not irreparably beyond reach (yet, at least).

We need a few chunky slices of luck but, most importantly, we really need to learn how to defend much better at European level. Regardless of the gulf between us and the likes of PSG, we should not be shipping 5, 6, 7 goals on a regular basis.
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Besiktas, Donetsk, Basel, Gent, Zenit, Dinamo Kiev and PSV have all got to the last 16 in the last few years.

I appreciate that some of them have substantially bigger budgets than us but none of those teams are a million miles away from us. The last 16 is not irreparably beyond reach (yet, at least).

We need a few chunky slices of luck but, most importantly, we really need to learn how to defend much better at European level. Regardless of the gulf between us and the likes of PSG, we should not be shipping 5, 6, 7 goals on a regular basis.
We also need a slightly kinder draw by getting one of the weaker teams from Pots 2 and 3 like we did this season with Anderlecht - basically the kind of group Man Utd get every year
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Gonga
21 May 2018, 01:46 PM
Although the CL is stacked against us, we do still benefit from the payouts when we get there.

Those payouts are far higher because of the introduction of more top teams, who we are becoming increasingly less competitive with due to the money they get from their domestic leagues.

It would be great to have an old school CL, or even a fairer system.

A fairer system is unlikely to be as financially lucrative
I worked it out years ago.

http://kerrydalestreet.co.uk/topic/517243/

It would be awful.

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Edited by Country Mac, 21 May 2018, 03:10 PM.
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Kris
20 May 2018, 11:18 PM
Everyone under 40 will tell you 4G is the future, of course :(

I’m under 40 and will tell you 4G is absolute pish. A major factor in the reason my back and hips are effed.
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Just seen that Aberdeen start back up 2 weeks after our first qualifier. Seems obvious now, but I hadn't realised that.
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21 May 2018, 02:22 PM
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21 May 2018, 02:12 PM
Besiktas, Donetsk, Basel, Gent, Zenit, Dinamo Kiev and PSV have all got to the last 16 in the last few years.

I appreciate that some of them have substantially bigger budgets than us but none of those teams are a million miles away from us. The last 16 is not irreparably beyond reach (yet, at least).

We need a few chunky slices of luck but, most importantly, we really need to learn how to defend much better at European level. Regardless of the gulf between us and the likes of PSG, we should not be shipping 5, 6, 7 goals on a regular basis.
We also need a slightly kinder draw by getting one of the weaker teams from Pots 2 and 3 like we did this season with Anderlecht - basically the kind of group Man Utd get every year
This.
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Celtic will play the earliest fixture out of all the Scottish teams. Hilarious
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21 May 2018, 04:42 PM
Celtic will play the earliest fixture out of all the Scottish teams. Hilarious
And we're always involved in the latest domestic one :(

Who was it said the huns cheered at the draw cos they got an extra weeks holiday again ?
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Midtjylland just wrapped up the Danish league. They were 5pts behind Brondby with just 4 games to play, and ended up winning it by 4pts. Brondby's last 4 games - 3 draws and a defeat. Fans must be ragin'.

Midtjylland are potential 2nd round opponents.
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21 May 2018, 07:01 PM
Midtjylland just wrapped up the Danish league. They were 5pts behind Brondby with just 4 games to play, and ended up winning it by 4pts. Brondby's last 4 games - 3 draws and a defeat. Fans must be ragin'.

Midtjylland are potential 2nd round opponents.
Wonder if this changes Rodgers opinion of Erik.
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