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Champions League Qualifying 2018/19; 1st Round - Alashkert (ARM). Away first. 2nd Round - Valur Reykjavic (ISL) or Rosenborg (NOR). Home first.
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This assumption that the #5 team in England (Europa league spot) is better than winners of mid-level leagues, geography shouldn't dictate who the best teams are
5th best in a league full of Brighton, Huddersfield, Bournemouth and the like.

:lol: rightio.
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Man City and Bayern both secured their places in the group stage for next season - which tells you how much they're running away with their leagues.

Looking like we're in with a shout of being seeded all the way through qualifying. Basel (17 behind) and Copenhagen (16 behind) would now need a hell of a turnaround to win their league - although Basel do have a couple of games in hand. That leaves just Olympiakos, PSV/Ajax, Salzburg, Ludogorets and Plzen as teams who could be ranked above us. The likelihood is that the Czech champ will go straight into the group stage, which means that for us to be unseeded all of the other teams mentioned would need to first win their league and make it to the playoff. In this scenario

- The Dutch champion would likely start at the playoff round, so couldn't be eliminated before.
- Olympiakos and Salzburg would start in Round 3, and have just one match before the playoff.
- Ludogorets would start in the same roundas us, and therefore play 3 rounds to reach the playoff.

Salzburg are coasting in Austria. Ludogorets have a narrow lead over the the bastard parasite zombie club from hell CSKA-Sofia (look them up. It makes the zombie huns story seem normal). And who the hell knows what's happening in Greece. The entire league was suspended after the PAOK chairman invaded the pitch with a gun. That's the last two PAOK games that have failed to finish.
Basel drew tonight so they’ve all but lost out on the Swiss league this year. It looks likely we will be seeded which is much better route than was expected when the changes to the qualification route were first announced. It’s still beyond a joke we have four rounds of ties in order to qualify.
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13 Mar 2018, 01:02 PM
Man City and Bayern both secured their places in the group stage for next season - which tells you how much they're running away with their leagues.

Looking like we're in with a shout of being seeded all the way through qualifying. Basel (17 behind) and Copenhagen (16 behind) would now need a hell of a turnaround to win their league - although Basel do have a couple of games in hand. That leaves just Olympiakos, PSV/Ajax, Salzburg, Ludogorets and Plzen as teams who could be ranked above us. The likelihood is that the Czech champ will go straight into the group stage, which means that for us to be unseeded all of the other teams mentioned would need to first win their league and make it to the playoff. In this scenario

- The Dutch champion would likely start at the playoff round, so couldn't be eliminated before.
- Olympiakos and Salzburg would start in Round 3, and have just one match before the playoff.
- Ludogorets would start in the same roundas us, and therefore play 3 rounds to reach the playoff.

Salzburg are coasting in Austria. Ludogorets have a narrow lead over the the bastard parasite zombie club from hell CSKA-Sofia (look them up. It makes the zombie huns story seem normal). And who the hell knows what's happening in Greece. The entire league was suspended after the PAOK chairman invaded the pitch with a gun. That's the last two PAOK games that have failed to finish.
Basel drew tonight so they’ve all but lost out on the Swiss league this year. It looks likely we will be seeded which is much better route than was expected when the changes to the qualification route were first announced. It’s still beyond a joke we have four rounds of ties in order to qualify.
Not really a Joke when you see the dross the rest get continually pumped off
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Bad couple of days for PAOK, which could affect seedings for next season. They've been docked 3 points for the game against AEK, where the chairman ran onto the park with a gun. The chairman has been banned for 3 years as well. Olympiakos have also been awarded the points from their game against PAOK - which didn't start when the Olympiakos manager was hit by a till roll before kick off. It knocks them (I think) back into 3rd place, 5pts behind AEK, 4pts behind Olympiakos. Olympiakos are the only Greek team who could be ranked ahead of us next season, so we want anyone but them to win the league.

The New Saints also became the first of the winter football teams to wrap up their league. They've now won 7 in a row, and play in green and white hoops. :suspect:
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Bad couple of days for PAOK, which could affect seedings for next season. They've been docked 3 points for the game against AEK, where the chairman ran onto the park with a gun. The chairman has been banned for 3 years as well. Olympiakos have also been awarded the points from their game against PAOK - which didn't start when the Olympiakos manager was hit by a till roll before kick off. It knocks them (I think) back into 3rd place, 5pts behind AEK, 4pts behind Olympiakos. Olympiakos are the only Greek team who could be ranked ahead of us next season, so we want anyone but them to win the league.

The New Saints also became the first of the winter football teams to wrap up their league. They've now won 7 in a row, and play in green and white hoops. :suspect:
Sorry for denseness, if Olympiakos wins their league that means we aren't seeded all the way through qualifying?
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29 Mar 2018, 12:55 PM
Bad couple of days for PAOK, which could affect seedings for next season. They've been docked 3 points for the game against AEK, where the chairman ran onto the park with a gun. The chairman has been banned for 3 years as well. Olympiakos have also been awarded the points from their game against PAOK - which didn't start when the Olympiakos manager was hit by a till roll before kick off. It knocks them (I think) back into 3rd place, 5pts behind AEK, 4pts behind Olympiakos. Olympiakos are the only Greek team who could be ranked ahead of us next season, so we want anyone but them to win the league.

The New Saints also became the first of the winter football teams to wrap up their league. They've now won 7 in a row, and play in green and white hoops. :suspect:
Sorry for denseness, if Olympiakos wins their league that means we aren't seeded all the way through qualifying?
I think there are a small number of improbable scenarios of other teams winning leagues where we can be seeded if Olympiakos win the league. But it would be better if they didn't.

AEK are a point clear with a game in hand. So it is basically mon the AEK.

Their next fixture is a cheeky wee Athens derby against Panathinaikos, always a quiet affair.
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29 Mar 2018, 12:55 PM
Bad couple of days for PAOK, which could affect seedings for next season. They've been docked 3 points for the game against AEK, where the chairman ran onto the park with a gun. The chairman has been banned for 3 years as well. Olympiakos have also been awarded the points from their game against PAOK - which didn't start when the Olympiakos manager was hit by a till roll before kick off. It knocks them (I think) back into 3rd place, 5pts behind AEK, 4pts behind Olympiakos. Olympiakos are the only Greek team who could be ranked ahead of us next season, so we want anyone but them to win the league.

The New Saints also became the first of the winter football teams to wrap up their league. They've now won 7 in a row, and play in green and white hoops. :suspect:
Sorry for denseness, if Olympiakos wins their league that means we aren't seeded all the way through qualifying?
It depends on what happens in the other leagues, and in the earlier qualifying rounds. There are only a handful of teams that could be ranked ahead of us in the Champions route - Basel, Olympiakos, Ajax/PSV, Salzburg, Ludogorets, Sparta Prague/Plzen and Copenhagen. If any 4 of them reach the playoff round we wouldn't be seeded in that final round.

However, the Czech champion will likely go straight into the group stage - this would happen if the CL winner also qualifies directly from their league. So unless someone like Seville wins the CL then it's pretty certain that Plzen won't need to qualify - which takes them out the equation. And Basel and Copenhagen are both 16pts behind in their league so, barring a spectacular turn of events, won't feature.

Of the remaining teams, Salzburg and one of PSV/Ajax are looking likely to win their league. That leaves Ludogorets and Olympiakos, who are both in close title races. If the worst comes to the worst, and all 4 win their leagues we would be unseeded in the playoff - unless one of them is eliminated at an earlier round of qualifying. If only 3 of them win their league then we'd be seeded all the way through.
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29 Mar 2018, 12:55 PM
Bad couple of days for PAOK, which could affect seedings for next season. They've been docked 3 points for the game against AEK, where the chairman ran onto the park with a gun. The chairman has been banned for 3 years as well. Olympiakos have also been awarded the points from their game against PAOK - which didn't start when the Olympiakos manager was hit by a till roll before kick off. It knocks them (I think) back into 3rd place, 5pts behind AEK, 4pts behind Olympiakos. Olympiakos are the only Greek team who could be ranked ahead of us next season, so we want anyone but them to win the league.

The New Saints also became the first of the winter football teams to wrap up their league. They've now won 7 in a row, and play in green and white hoops. :suspect:
Sorry for denseness, if Olympiakos wins their league that means we aren't seeded all the way through qualifying?
I think there are a small number of improbable scenarios of other teams winning leagues where we can be seeded if Olympiakos win the league. But it would be better if they didn't.

AEK are a point clear with a game in hand. So it is basically mon the AEK.

Their next fixture is a cheeky wee Athens derby against Panathinaikos, always a quiet affair.
What happened to the Champions route?
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29 Mar 2018, 12:55 PM
Bad couple of days for PAOK, which could affect seedings for next season. They've been docked 3 points for the game against AEK, where the chairman ran onto the park with a gun. The chairman has been banned for 3 years as well. Olympiakos have also been awarded the points from their game against PAOK - which didn't start when the Olympiakos manager was hit by a till roll before kick off. It knocks them (I think) back into 3rd place, 5pts behind AEK, 4pts behind Olympiakos. Olympiakos are the only Greek team who could be ranked ahead of us next season, so we want anyone but them to win the league.

The New Saints also became the first of the winter football teams to wrap up their league. They've now won 7 in a row, and play in green and white hoops. :suspect:
Sorry for denseness, if Olympiakos wins their league that means we aren't seeded all the way through qualifying?
I think there are a small number of improbable scenarios of other teams winning leagues where we can be seeded if Olympiakos win the league. But it would be better if they didn't.

AEK are a point clear with a game in hand. So it is basically mon the AEK.

Their next fixture is a cheeky wee Athens derby against Panathinaikos, always a quiet affair.
Panathinaikos are in serious bother just now. They have days to find enough money to show that they're financially viable for next season, otherwise they'll lose their license for the top league and be relegated. Leaving aside any SFA type shenanigans that might then occur to keep them in the league - as that's what football associations do, apparently.
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I think there are a small number of improbable scenarios of other teams winning leagues where we can be seeded if Olympiakos win the league. But it would be better if they didn't.

AEK are a point clear with a game in hand. So it is basically mon the AEK.

Their next fixture is a cheeky wee Athens derby against Panathinaikos, always a quiet affair.
Panathinaikos are in serious bother just now. They have days to find enough money to show that they're financially viable for next season, otherwise they'll lose their license for the top league and be relegated. Leaving aside any SFA type shenanigans that might then occur to keep them in the league - as that's what football associations do, apparently.
Yeah it's a strange one. The owner of the basketball club wants to buy the football team which was saved through a fans buy out only a few years ago. However the Greek government is involved and apparently the only way the deal will go through is if he buys the Athens Olympic Park too, something the Greek government seem to want rid of.
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Bad couple of days for PAOK, which could affect seedings for next season. They've been docked 3 points for the game against AEK, where the chairman ran onto the park with a gun. The chairman has been banned for 3 years as well. Olympiakos have also been awarded the points from their game against PAOK - which didn't start when the Olympiakos manager was hit by a till roll before kick off. It knocks them (I think) back into 3rd place, 5pts behind AEK, 4pts behind Olympiakos. Olympiakos are the only Greek team who could be ranked ahead of us next season, so we want anyone but them to win the league.

The New Saints also became the first of the winter football teams to wrap up their league. They've now won 7 in a row, and play in green and white hoops. :suspect:
Sorry for denseness, if Olympiakos wins their league that means we aren't seeded all the way through qualifying?
It depends on what happens in the other leagues, and in the earlier qualifying rounds. There are only a handful of teams that could be ranked ahead of us in the Champions route - Basel, Olympiakos, Ajax/PSV, Salzburg, Ludogorets, Sparta Prague/Plzen and Copenhagen. If any 4 of them reach the playoff round we wouldn't be seeded in that final round.

However, the Czech champion will likely go straight into the group stage - this would happen if the CL winner also qualifies directly from their league. So unless someone like Seville wins the CL then it's pretty certain that Plzen won't need to qualify - which takes them out the equation. And Basel and Copenhagen are both 16pts behind in their league so, barring a spectacular turn of events, won't feature.

Of the remaining teams, Salzburg and one of PSV/Ajax are looking likely to win their league. That leaves Ludogorets and Olympiakos, who are both in close title races. If the worst comes to the worst, and all 4 win their leagues we would be unseeded in the playoff - unless one of them is eliminated at an earlier round of qualifying. If only 3 of them win their league then we'd be seeded all the way through.
Thanks , I can just about manage to get my head around that...!
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I think there are a small number of improbable scenarios of other teams winning leagues where we can be seeded if Olympiakos win the league. But it would be better if they didn't.

AEK are a point clear with a game in hand. So it is basically mon the AEK.

Their next fixture is a cheeky wee Athens derby against Panathinaikos, always a quiet affair.
What happened to the Champions route?
It still exists. It's just that instead of five qualifying from it, it's now down to four.

The final qualifying round now only has eight teams instead of 10, so to be seeded we need to be in the top four.

That and the impact of some better teams who ordinarily might have qualified outright for the group stages now in the Champions Path qualifiers has made the threshold for seeding that bit higher if all the usual suspects qualify as league winners.

Luckily at least two leagues, Switzerland and Greece, are both up in the air this year, with Young Boys looking like they might win the Swiss League, and Basel well out of it. Similarly Olympiakos are no stick on in Greece either. Both Young Boys and AEK have poorer coefficients than us, and we'd be above them in any final round seeding.
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What happened to the Champions route?
It still exists. It's just that instead of five qualifying from it, it's now down to four.

The final qualifying round now only has eight teams instead of 10, so to be seeded we need to be in the top four.

That and the impact of some better teams who ordinarily might have qualified outright for the group stages now in the Champions Path qualifiers has made the threshold for seeding that bit higher if all the usual suspects qualify as league winners.

Luckily at least two leagues, Switzerland and Greece, are both up in the air this year, with Young Boys looking like they might win the Swiss League, and Basel well out of it. Similarly Olympiakos are no stick on in Greece either. Both Young Boys and AEK have poorer coefficients than us, and we'd be above them in any final round seeding.
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Might not be any Greek teams next year. FIFA thinking of suspending Greece, I would imagine this would include participation in UEFA comps.


http://www.insideworldfootball.com/2018/03/29/fifas-greek-watchdogs-call-council-suspend-hff-immediately/
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Olympiakos drop two points, hopefully aek can take advantage tomorrow
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Olympiakos drop two points, hopefully aek can take advantage tomorrow
AEK 3-0 victors yesterday which takes them 3 clear of Olympiakos with a game in hand. PAOK appear to be second, one clear of Olympiakos with a game in hand but unsure if they’ve still to be docked. :ponder:
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In the next 4 league games AEK play the bottom 3 teams (all away) and 10th place Levadiakos at home. 3 points in front with a game in hand (same goal difference as Olympiakos), so unless they throw it away things looking good for them to be League winners.

Edit: Just realised the game in hand is the one they played against PAOK where the chairman came onto the pitch with the gun. Also referee firstly disallowed 90th minute goal for PAOK, but 2 hours later said it was a goal. If this stands (sounds crazy), but that would be AEK's game in hand
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The situation is a bit muddled just now. The position is as you say without taking into account the recent point deductions for both PAOK and Olympiakos, and AEK being awarded the points from the game against PAOK. With all that taken into account AEK will be 8pts ahead of PAOK, with Olympiakos a further point back. But both Olympiakos and PAOK are appealing the decisions, so I don't think the points have been officially deducted yet.

Of course none of it might matter if, as barrybhoy said, FIFA suspend Greece completely.
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Of course none of it might matter if, as barrybhoy said, FIFA suspend Greece completely.
Who does that throw into hat for play-off's seeding wise.

I'm ok if Greece stay in as both AEK & PAOK are below Celtic seeding wise, so if either win league then we're safe. If Greece thrown out then???
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Of course none of it might matter if, as barrybhoy said, FIFA suspend Greece completely.
Who does that throw into hat for play-off's seeding wise.

I'm ok if Greece stay in as both AEK & PAOK are below Celtic seeding wise, so if either win league then we're safe. If Greece thrown out then???
If Greece is suspended, or Olympiakos don't win the league then it will pretty much ensure that we'll be seeded in the Playoff round - barring someone like Seville winning the Champions League, or Basel/Copenhagen making a miraculous league recovery. The access list will have to be modified to balance the qualifying rounds out if the Greeks are suspended (as it will have to be if the Czech champion automatically qualifies for the group stage, as is likely). It's all a bit up in the air just now.
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