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Leigh Griffiths; in talks to extend contract
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Topic Started: 23 Jan 2018, 10:49 PM (70,049 Views)
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TheMaestro
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24 Jan 2018, 04:09 PM
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- 24 Jan 2018, 04:04 PM
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- 24 Jan 2018, 03:57 PM
You guys talk amongst yourselves. I'll let the stats do the talking.
On 15 January 2016, Griffiths scored his 50th goal for Celtic, opening the scoring in their 4–1 win over Dundee United at Tannadice; he became the fastest Celtic player to achieve this landmark since Charlie Nicholas in the 1980s, reaching the tally in fewer games than the likes of Henrik Larsson and John Hartson.[citation needed] He finished the season with 40 goals in all competitions for Celtic, making him the first player to do so since Larsson in the 2003–04 season.[
Everyone else uses their eyes. Not [citation needed] Wikipedia. Not a patch on Kris Boyd.
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24 Jan 2018, 04:12 PM
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- 24 Jan 2018, 03:57 PM
You guys talk amongst yourselves. I'll let the stats do the talking.
On 15 January 2016, Griffiths scored his 50th goal for Celtic, opening the scoring in their 4–1 win over Dundee United at Tannadice; he became the fastest Celtic player to achieve this landmark since Charlie Nicholas in the 1980s, reaching the tally in fewer games than the likes of Henrik Larsson and John Hartson.[citation needed] He finished the season with 40 goals in all competitions for Celtic, making him the first player to do so since Larsson in the 2003–04 season.[ If Griffiths plays 90 minutes on Saturday and fails to score the likelihood is that his goals per minute ratio this season will fall below Edouards.
Does that mean he's the third best striker at the club this year?
Stats only tell half the story.
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Ess
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24 Jan 2018, 04:13 PM
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- harryhoodshatrick
- 24 Jan 2018, 03:49 PM
- Ess
- 24 Jan 2018, 01:02 PM
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- 24 Jan 2018, 11:50 AM
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Viduka
Although I defend Griffiths and think he is a great 2nd striker in our financial situation I agree that all the strikers mentioned are better than him bar Viduka who never tried a leg for us and the only good thing he did for us was getting sold for £6M so we could buy Sutton.Viduka should never have kicked a ball for us again after refusing to come out in the second half v Inverness. No argument there - he was a complete cant, but a very talented player. Miles ahead of anyone we have now.
Edited by Ess, 24 Jan 2018, 04:14 PM.
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24 Jan 2018, 04:14 PM
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Although I defend Griffiths and think he is a great 2nd striker in our financial situation I agree that all the strikers mentioned are better than him bar Viduka who never tried a leg for us and the only good thing he did for us was getting sold for £6M so we could buy Sutton.Viduka should never have kicked a ball for us again after refusing to come out in the second half v Inverness.
Griffiths is nowhere near Viduka's level of ability. Harder worker definitely, but in terms of general play he isn't a patch on the bold Mark. I'm a harder worker than Viduka ffs, and I'm sat at my desk reading KDS
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Gonga
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24 Jan 2018, 04:20 PM
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- 24 Jan 2018, 03:35 PM
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- 24 Jan 2018, 12:10 AM
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I'm assuming Hartson and Sutton are discounted because they played with Larsson. Other than Dembele and a holidaying Robbie Keane only McDonald would be close to LG in my opinion. Although I appreciate that might say more about our level of striker. I've read that wrong. And he certainly isn't better than PVH Cadete Sutton or Hartson.
I'm going to answer this here and ;point out that he was inferring that "since Nicholas" Leigh Griffiths is the best striker we have had since Larsson. Patently rubbish. I'll add Bellamy in there for a start and see who else others have mentioned. I'm only on page 6 so I may edit this to add others. Whether or not he is technically better or worse than previous strikers is a flawed argument.
It should be about what these strikers actually did while at Celtic.
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24 Jan 2018, 04:25 PM
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Larsson Sutton McAvennie Hartson Griffiths Nicholas McClair Hooper Van Hooidonk
Then the rest..
That’s the order I would have off the top of my head of what strikers actually had most value for Celtic in overall goals/important games.
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Ess
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24 Jan 2018, 04:26 PM
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Cadette was some finisher btw
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24 Jan 2018, 04:31 PM
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- 24 Jan 2018, 04:25 PM
Larsson Sutton McAvennie Hartson Griffiths Nicholas McClair Hooper Van Hooidonk
Then the rest..
That’s the order I would have off the top of my head of what strikers actually had most value for Celtic in overall goals/important games. Whit ?
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IainG
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24 Jan 2018, 04:31 PM
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Ah but I was so much older then,I'm younger than that now
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- Gonga
- 24 Jan 2018, 04:25 PM
Larsson Sutton McAvennie Hartson Griffiths Nicholas McClair Hooper Van Hooidonk
Then the rest..
That’s the order I would have off the top of my head of what strikers actually had most value for Celtic in overall goals/important games. I don't see much to argue with there. They are all better players than Griffiths strangely enough with the possible exception of Hooper.
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24 Jan 2018, 04:38 PM
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- 24 Jan 2018, 04:14 PM
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- 24 Jan 2018, 03:49 PM
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Griffiths is nowhere near Viduka's level of ability. Harder worker definitely, but in terms of general play he isn't a patch on the bold Mark.
I'm a harder worker than Viduka ffs, and I'm sat at my desk reading KDS
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Gonga
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24 Jan 2018, 04:42 PM
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- 24 Jan 2018, 04:31 PM
- Gonga
- 24 Jan 2018, 04:25 PM
Larsson Sutton McAvennie Hartson Griffiths Nicholas McClair Hooper Van Hooidonk
Then the rest..
That’s the order I would have off the top of my head of what strikers actually had most value for Celtic in overall goals/important games.
I don't see much to argue with there. They are all better players than Griffiths strangely enough with the possible exception of Hooper. It’s rare that we have any players that aren’t bettered by some of who have gone before.
Griffiths has proven his worth time and again, and I think deep down he knows it’s not a bad deal to be playing 2nd fiddle to one of our ‘business ventures’ as he has shown repeatedly that he will still score goals and quite often important ones.
Griffiths may not be as talented as a dozen other Celtic strikers but it hasn’t stopped him outscoring many of them.
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IainG
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24 Jan 2018, 04:46 PM
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Ah but I was so much older then,I'm younger than that now
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Larsson Sutton McAvennie Hartson Griffiths Nicholas McClair Hooper Van Hooidonk
Then the rest..
That’s the order I would have off the top of my head of what strikers actually had most value for Celtic in overall goals/important games.
I don't see much to argue with there. They are all better players than Griffiths strangely enough with the possible exception of Hooper.
It’s rare that we have any players that aren’t bettered by some of who have gone before. Griffiths has proven his worth time and again, and I think deep down he knows it’s not a bad deal to be playing 2nd fiddle to one of our ‘business ventures’ as he has shown repeatedly that he will still score goals and quite often important ones. Griffiths may not be as talented as a dozen other Celtic strikers but it hasn’t stopped him outscoring many of them. I don't know if it was you earlier in the thread cthat said a striker should be judged on what he has done for Celtic,irrespective of his technical ability, or words to that effect. Which is spot on.
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24 Jan 2018, 04:46 PM
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- Gonga
- 24 Jan 2018, 04:25 PM
Larsson Sutton McAvennie Hartson Griffiths Nicholas McClair Hooper Van Hooidonk
Then the rest..
That’s the order I would have off the top of my head of what strikers actually had most value for Celtic in overall goals/important games.
I don't see much to argue with there. They are all better players than Griffiths strangely enough with the possible exception of Hooper.
It’s rare that we have any players that aren’t bettered by some of who have gone before. Griffiths has proven his worth time and again, and I think deep down he knows it’s not a bad deal to be playing 2nd fiddle to one of our ‘business ventures’ as he has shown repeatedly that he will still score goals and quite often important ones. Griffiths may not be as talented as a dozen other Celtic strikers but it hasn’t stopped him outscoring many of them. And he’s the only one never to have played against the full blown Huns and arguably against the weakest league compared to what any of the other players quoted played in.
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24 Jan 2018, 04:49 PM
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Cadete, PVH, Hooper.
Saved me having the edit my post. KEAne?
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24 Jan 2018, 04:51 PM
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It’s rare that we have any players that aren’t bettered by some of who have gone before. Griffiths has proven his worth time and again, and I think deep down he knows it’s not a bad deal to be playing 2nd fiddle to one of our ‘business ventures’ as he has shown repeatedly that he will still score goals and quite often important ones. Griffiths may not be as talented as a dozen other Celtic strikers but it hasn’t stopped him outscoring many of them.
And he’s the only one never to have played against the full blown Huns and arguably against the weakest league compared to what any of the other players quoted played in. Aye the weakness of the league can’t go without acknowledgment. Griffiths is decent. We should hold onto him unless big money comes in.
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24 Jan 2018, 05:16 PM
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And he’s the only one never to have played against the full blown Huns and arguably against the weakest league compared to what any of the other players quoted played in.
Aye the weakness of the league can’t go without acknowledgment. Griffiths is decent. We should hold onto him unless big money comes in. I’ve never heard anyone mention the lack of strength of domestic competition when looking at Dembeles performances.
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24 Jan 2018, 05:24 PM
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- 24 Jan 2018, 11:47 AM
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Fecking hell.
Wondered on to this thread this morning and I had the exact same reaction as Wailer. Anybody who saw Nicholas first time round and thinks Lee is a better player I personally can't fathom but each to their own opinion. Off the top of my head he isn't better than McClair/Johnston (Petit Merde variety)/McAvennie/Sutton/Bellamy and Hartson was a much more clinical finisher than Lee. Three of whom effed off at the first available opportunity. As well as being in the same general area for output as those mentioned, Griffiths is seemingly happy where he is - a rarity these days.
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24 Jan 2018, 05:29 PM
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Aye the weakness of the league can’t go without acknowledgment. Griffiths is decent. We should hold onto him unless big money comes in.
I’ve never heard anyone mention the lack of strength of domestic competition when looking at Dembeles performances. When people talk about Dembele's performances they very rarely mention anything he's done in the SPFL.
It's all centered around his performances against top class centre halfs in Europe.
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24 Jan 2018, 05:39 PM
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Aye the weakness of the league can’t go without acknowledgment. Griffiths is decent. We should hold onto him unless big money comes in.
I’ve never heard anyone mention the lack of strength of domestic competition when looking at Dembeles performances. You're the one that moved the goalposts. Guy claims Griffiths is the best since Larsson and posters name numerous players that were better. You then put value of goals as a formula to get Leigh back up the list but it's now unfair to point out Leigh has played in the weakest list to all the players in your list.
I think 1 poster mentioned Dembele as a better player in response to the 2nd to Larsson post. Leigh's done well there's no argument but I'm not having him in front of Charlie Nic in any list. He couldn't lace Charlie's boots.
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24 Jan 2018, 05:49 PM
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I’ve never heard anyone mention the lack of strength of domestic competition when looking at Dembeles performances.
You're the one that moved the goalposts. Guy claims Griffiths is the best since Larsson and posters name numerous players that were better. You then put value of goals as a formula to get Leigh back up the list but it's now unfair to point out Leigh has played in the weakest list to all the players in your list. I think 1 poster mentioned Dembele as a better player in response to the 2nd to Larsson post. Leigh's done well there's no argument but I'm not having him in front of Charlie Nic in any list. He couldn't lace Charlie's boots. I don’t value what this side or its players have achived any less because of a lack of a real hun challenge. We just won a treble and went undefeated for nearly a season and a half. Griffiths was a massive part of that, who gives a eff if Cadette was better at one on ones.
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