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Leigh Griffiths; in talks to extend contract
Topic Started: 23 Jan 2018, 10:49 PM (70,050 Views)
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Wondered on to this thread this morning and I had the exact same reaction as Wailer.

Anybody who saw Nicholas first time round and thinks Lee is a better player I personally can't fathom but each to their own opinion.

Off the top of my head he isn't better than McClair/Johnston (Petit Merde variety)/McAvennie/Sutton/Bellamy and Hartson was a much more clinical finisher than Lee.
Cadete, PVH, Hooper.

Was just quick and off the top of my head Chris but I agree with those three also Chris - Cadete in particular. :thumbsup:
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Wondered on to this thread this morning and I had the exact same reaction as Wailer.

Anybody who saw Nicholas first time round and thinks Lee is a better player I personally can't fathom but each to their own opinion.

Off the top of my head he isn't better than McClair/Johnston (Petit Merde variety)/McAvennie/Sutton/Bellamy and Hartson was a much more clinical finisher than Lee.
Cadete, PVH, Hooper.

Was just quick and off the top of my head Chris but I agree with those three also Chris - Cadete in particular. :thumbsup:
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Wondered on to this thread this morning and I had the exact same reaction as Wailer.

Anybody who saw Nicholas first time round and thinks Lee is a better player I personally can't fathom but each to their own opinion.

Off the top of my head he isn't better than McClair/Johnston (Petit Merde variety)/McAvennie/Sutton/Bellamy and Hartson was a much more clinical finisher than Lee.
Cadete, PVH, Hooper.

Viduka
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Griff has 9 goals, I think and Moussa 8.

For a variety of reasons they have not been as explosive as last season.

It's more down to game time than anything else.

The problem for me is the rotation.

Griffiths has played 1717 minutes this season and averages a goal every 156 minutes.
Dembele has played 1102 minutes this season and averages a goal every 137 minutes.
Edouard has played 641 minutes this season and averages a goal every 160 minutes.

If any of the three are given a sustained run their numbers - which aren't actually bad - will improve again.
Good post. :thumbsup:
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Did well last night and should get the nod on Saturday.

That should be the point here, but instead its mince about we'll no miss Dembele, better than Dembele, 2nd only to Larsson - the "poor Griffiths, the way hes been treated" mob are just as tiresome as the 'haters' they go on about.

BTW I also though Edouard looked better coming a bit deeper when Griffiths was playing further up in the second half, could be an option going forward if Dembele does indeed leave?
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Of course I am.

I can see his good and bad points.

But he won us the game so that is all that matters and yeez were booing him coz you hate him, you cried when he scored and he pumped her bird so GIRFUY and other quality Patter.

The previous thread got locked because the people who can’t see past him can’t take criticism of him.

He’s a very good SPFL striker. How many times do I have to say it?

He’s not a fantastic player or a top quality striker. I’ve seen plenty at Celtic. He isn’t in that league.
I've seen them all since Charlie Nicholas. Griff is 2nd only to Larsson. And like Larsson he shows the class to tuck away a goal after missing a chance. How many goals did Leigh Griffiths score the season before last? The guy is pure quality.
That means you must have seen Bobby Lennox, if you indeed did see Nicholas as you were old enough to objectively summarise his quality, or are you talking about 2nd time round?

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Did well last night and should get the nod on Saturday.

That should be the point here, but instead its mince about we'll no miss Dembele, better than Dembele, 2nd only to Larsson - the "poor Griffiths, the way hes been treated" mob are just as tiresome as the 'haters' they go on about.

BTW I also though Edouard looked better coming a bit deeper when Griffiths was playing further up in the second half, could be an option going forward if Dembele does indeed leave?
I think Edouard will be away at the end of the season and won't be missed either.
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I know! :rubeyes:

He did actually type all that rubbish!
I'm assuming Hartson and Sutton are discounted because they played with Larsson. Other than Dembele and a holidaying Robbie Keane only McDonald would be close to LG in my opinion. Although I appreciate that might say more about our level of striker.
I've read that wrong. And he certainly isn't better than PVH Cadete Sutton or Hartson.
I'm going to answer this here and ;point out that he was inferring that "since Nicholas" Leigh Griffiths is the best striker we have had since Larsson.

Patently rubbish. I'll add Bellamy in there for a start and see who else others have mentioned. I'm only on page 6 so I may edit this to add others.
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Wondered on to this thread this morning and I had the exact same reaction as Wailer.

Anybody who saw Nicholas first time round and thinks Lee is a better player I personally can't fathom but each to their own opinion.

Off the top of my head he isn't better than McClair/Johnston (Petit Merde variety)/McAvennie/Sutton/Bellamy and Hartson was a much more clinical finisher than Lee.
Cadete, PVH, Hooper.

Saved me having the edit my post.
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I've seen them all since Charlie Nicholas. Griff is 2nd only to Larsson. And like Larsson he shows the class to tuck away a goal after missing a chance. How many goals did Leigh Griffiths score the season before last? The guy is pure quality.
That means you must have seen Bobby Lennox, if you indeed did see Nicholas as you were old enough to objectively summarise his quality, or are you talking about 2nd time round?

WTF? I'm 50 not 70. I remember Lennox vaguely. Nicholas first time was superb, but I was a kid really so it's hard to judge. Out of every player mentioned I'd actually say Hooper and Keane were the only ones who challenged Griff AS A GOALSCORER. BMcClair usually was up front with McGarvey, who was phenomenal in terms of forming partnerships. Not Sutton, Hartson, Bellamy or anyone else bettered Griff in 2015 /16. I think if Moussa hadn't arrived, Leigh would have broken his record. I also think that he is as good in Europe as Dembele. In fact the only guy we had who was clearly better for these tough European games as one up fighting for scraps, holding up play etc was Samara. In a balanced high level European game between sides more or less matched, Griff would hold his own. Fabulous player who's career trajectory was stunted by the arrival of Moussa. Get him playing all the time and he will prove me right.
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That means you must have seen Bobby Lennox, if you indeed did see Nicholas as you were old enough to objectively summarise his quality, or are you talking about 2nd time round?

WTF? I'm 50 not 70. I remember Lennox vaguely. Nicholas first time was superb, but I was a kid really so it's hard to judge. Out of every player mentioned I'd actually say Hooper and Keane were the only ones who challenged Griff AS A GOALSCORER. BMcClair usually was up front with McGarvey, who was phenomenal in terms of forming partnerships. Not Sutton, Hartson, Bellamy or anyone else bettered Griff in 2015 /16. I think if Moussa hadn't arrived, Leigh would have broken his record. I also think that he is as good in Europe as Dembele. In fact the only guy we had who was clearly better for these tough European games as one up fighting for scraps, holding up play etc was Samara. In a balanced high level European game between sides more or less matched, Griff would hold his own. Fabulous player who's career trajectory was stunted by the arrival of Moussa. Get him playing all the time and he will prove me right.
Next you'll be saying that Chris Boyd is better than Larsson because he scored more goals :ffs:

It's not just about the player but it's about the team and all the players mentioned in this thread added a hell of a lot more to the team than LG.

Look, I like LG and think he is a great asset to have but you are talking rubbish when you say that he is next best after Larsson.
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Cadete, PVH, Hooper.

Viduka
Although I defend Griffiths and think he is a great 2nd striker in our financial situation I agree that all the strikers mentioned are better than him bar Viduka who never tried a leg for us and the only good thing he did for us was getting sold for £6M so we could buy Sutton.Viduka should never have kicked a ball for us again after refusing to come out in the second half v Inverness.
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Cadete, PVH, Hooper.

Was just quick and off the top of my head Chris but I agree with those three also Chris - Cadete in particular. :thumbsup:
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We've all missed the most obvious as well - Dembele.
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Viduka
Although I defend Griffiths and think he is a great 2nd striker in our financial situation I agree that all the strikers mentioned are better than him bar Viduka who never tried a leg for us and the only good thing he did for us was getting sold for £6M so we could buy Sutton.Viduka should never have kicked a ball for us again after refusing to come out in the second half v Inverness.
Viduka was a brilliant player. Far superior to Griffiths in every way.

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WTF? I'm 50 not 70. I remember Lennox vaguely. Nicholas first time was superb, but I was a kid really so it's hard to judge. Out of every player mentioned I'd actually say Hooper and Keane were the only ones who challenged Griff AS A GOALSCORER. BMcClair usually was up front with McGarvey, who was phenomenal in terms of forming partnerships. Not Sutton, Hartson, Bellamy or anyone else bettered Griff in 2015 /16. I think if Moussa hadn't arrived, Leigh would have broken his record. I also think that he is as good in Europe as Dembele. In fact the only guy we had who was clearly better for these tough European games as one up fighting for scraps, holding up play etc was Samara. In a balanced high level European game between sides more or less matched, Griff would hold his own. Fabulous player who's career trajectory was stunted by the arrival of Moussa. Get him playing all the time and he will prove me right.
Next you'll be saying that Chris Boyd is better than Larsson because he scored more goals :ffs:

It's not just about the player but it's about the team and all the players mentioned in this thread added a hell of a lot more to the team than LG.

Look, I like LG and think he is a great asset to have but you are talking rubbish when you say that he is next best after Larsson.
:ffs: The Boyd argument. FFS. That's just lame.
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You guys talk amongst yourselves. I'll let the stats do the talking.

On 15 January 2016, Griffiths scored his 50th goal for Celtic, opening the scoring in their 4–1 win over Dundee United at Tannadice; he became the fastest Celtic player to achieve this landmark since Charlie Nicholas in the 1980s, reaching the tally in fewer games than the likes of Henrik Larsson and John Hartson.[citation needed] He finished the season with 40 goals in all competitions for Celtic, making him the first player to do so since Larsson in the 2003–04 season.[
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Viduka
Although I defend Griffiths and think he is a great 2nd striker in our financial situation I agree that all the strikers mentioned are better than him bar Viduka who never tried a leg for us and the only good thing he did for us was getting sold for £6M so we could buy Sutton.Viduka should never have kicked a ball for us again after refusing to come out in the second half v Inverness.
Viduka scored 35 goals in 48 appearances for Celtic, a 73% scoring rate.
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Viduka
Although I defend Griffiths and think he is a great 2nd striker in our financial situation I agree that all the strikers mentioned are better than him bar Viduka who never tried a leg for us and the only good thing he did for us was getting sold for £6M so we could buy Sutton.Viduka should never have kicked a ball for us again after refusing to come out in the second half v Inverness.
Griffiths is nowhere near Viduka's level of ability.

Harder worker definitely, but in terms of general play he isn't a patch on the bold Mark.
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You guys talk amongst yourselves. I'll let the stats do the talking.

On 15 January 2016, Griffiths scored his 50th goal for Celtic, opening the scoring in their 4–1 win over Dundee United at Tannadice; he became the fastest Celtic player to achieve this landmark since Charlie Nicholas in the 1980s, reaching the tally in fewer games than the likes of Henrik Larsson and John Hartson.[citation needed] He finished the season with 40 goals in all competitions for Celtic, making him the first player to do so since Larsson in the 2003–04 season.[
Everyone else uses their eyes. Not [citation needed] Wikipedia.
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Although I defend Griffiths and think he is a great 2nd striker in our financial situation I agree that all the strikers mentioned are better than him bar Viduka who never tried a leg for us and the only good thing he did for us was getting sold for £6M so we could buy Sutton.Viduka should never have kicked a ball for us again after refusing to come out in the second half v Inverness.
Viduka scored 35 goals in 48 appearances for Celtic, a 73% scoring rate.
Matched his work rate.
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