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The "Where should I put this?" Thread;; Strange stories from the crazy world of football.
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I'm sure this would get a good discussion going in the pubs and clubs on a Saturday night. Punishment for cocaine use while taking part in sport does not fit the crime Spoiler: click to toggle Peru’s Paolo Guerrero is trying to overturn a drugs ban so he can appear in the World Cup.© Reuters Peru’s Paolo Guerrero is trying to overturn a drugs ban so he can appear in the World Cup. Warrior by name, warrior by nature but three weeks before the World Cup Peru’s all-time top scorer, Paolo Guerrero, is facing a battle he not only cannot win but arguably should not be fighting at all. Until last week the 34-year-old thought he was off to Russia for his career swansong. Instead he is off to Switzerland to beg the Fifa president, Gianni Infantino, for a reprieve after the court of arbitration for sport extended his ban for testing positive for cocaine from six to 14 months. Sadly for Guerrero the meeting is the footballing equivalent of attempting a 50-yard scissor-kick after the ball has been deflated. No matter how audacious the effort the shot is unlikely to fly into the top corner – even though Cas accepts that Guerrero, who says he accidentally ingested cocaine in a tea, did not intend to enhance his performance. Peru national soccer team captain Paolo Guerrero talks during an interview with Reuters in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil December 21, 2017. His tattoo reads "Faith".© REUTERS/Ricardo Moraes Peru national soccer team captain Paolo Guerrero talks during an interview with Reuters in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil December 21, 2017. His tattoo reads "Faith". Guererro’s case does at least shine an overdue spotlight on the rules that govern sports people taking cocaine. No one disputes it should be on the World Anti-Doping Agency’s banned list, given the effect it has on people’s health and communities. Or that a form of punishment should exist for those who take it. But the current rules have many in anti-doping circles shaking their heads. For a start taking cocaine out of competition is considered fine under the Wada code. A footballer testing positive on a summer holiday, for instance, is likely to walk away with a get-out-of-jail-free card. Yet that same player testing positive after a match will face a ban of between 12 months and four years – as well as the eternal shame of being a branded a drug cheat. In my mind such people are not drug cheats – a term that should be saved for those who use banned substances to cheat. Rather they are drug takers. There is, moreover, a second important point here: cocaine’s performance-enhancing qualities are questionable at best. One senior anti-doping figure told me: “The idea that someone would use a euphoric substance like cocaine in competition is nuts. Yes, there are science papers that explain how it is theoretically feasible to have a beneficial effect. But I am not familiar with a single case where an athlete has been proved to use cocaine in competition in order to get an advantage.” A fan holds a poster of Peru's captain Paolo Guerrero, as he waits for his arrival, in Lima, Peru, Tuesday, May 15, 2018. The global footballers' union wants FIFA's help to review anti-doping rules after Guerrero was banned from the World Cup for a positive test for cocaine caused by contaminated tea. FIFPro says a 14-month ban barring the 34-year-old Guerrero from his World Cup debut is "unfair and disproportionate."© AP Photo/Martin Mejia A fan holds a poster of Peru's captain Paolo Guerrero, as he waits for his arrival, in Lima, Peru, Tuesday, May 15, 2018. The global footballers' union wants FIFA's help to review anti-doping rules after Guerrero was banned… There is a further twist in all this. Athletes hardly ever test positive for cocaine as such but for its metabolite benzoylecgonine, which lingers in the body for several days after the drug has been taken. The vast majority of the time athletes are taking the drug several days before a match – which is allowed – yet they still have a tiny bit lurking in their system when they are tested on a match day. This is exactly what happened to the Castleford rugby league player Zak Hardaker last September – he was banned for 14 months – and Dan Evans, the British tennis player, who was banned for one year after testing positive for cocaine last April. Essentially we have a bizarre situation where using cocaine away from sport is fine but evidence that you have used it can get you a huge ban. Think about this for a moment. We know that UK Anti‑Doping tests at amateur level – that means a budding cyclist or university rugby player could end up being banned for four years for taking a line of cocaine a few days before a race or match. It seems wildly excessive. 2018 World Cup: Russia will host the 21st edition of the World Cup next summer, with the action getting under way on 14 June and concluding with the final in Moscow on 15 July.Thirty-two countries from five confederations will be represented at the tournament, and in this slideshow we’ve picked out the key man from each participating nation.EVERY nation's most important player at the 2018 World Cup How did we get into this mess? Most people say the problem is that Wada classifies cocaine as a “non‑specified” substance – like anabolic steroids and EPO – which carry a ban of between 12 months and four years, rather than a “specified” substance, such as marijuana or salbutamol, which can be used for both medicinal and doping purposes. Because cocaine is a non-specified substance, the minimum ban is a year unless an athlete can show he or she is not at fault for having it in the body. Peru's Christian Cueva (R) and Jefferson Farfan show a number nine jersey in support of their suspended teammate Paolo Guerrero, during their 2018 World Cup qualifying play-off second leg football match against New This is easier said than done. Richard Gasquet managed it after persuading Cas that cocaine was present only due to him passionately kissing a woman who had taken cocaine at a nightclub. So did the West Brom and England footballer Jake Livermore, who was cleared after taking cocaine following the death of his son. But these are rare exceptions. What needs to change? One expert I spoke to suggested that a maximum six-month ban for a first offence for cocaine along with a fine that would go into the pot to fight doping is a good start. Another pointed out it was time Wada’s rule for cannabis was adopted for cocaine. This would mean someone testing positive but proving it was used in a context unrelated to sport would be deemed to have acted without significant fault and would be likely to escape a ban. Jake Livermore had a ban for taking cocaine overturned in 2015© Getty Jake Livermore had a ban for taking cocaine overturned in 2015 But changing the law will not be easy when politicians are so afraid of the public deeming them to be soft on drugs. A year before the London Olympics UKAD asked for cocaine to be changed to be treated the same as cannabis and quickly found itself slapped down by politicians on all sides. Perhaps, with Wada currently reviewing its code, there will be a change in the next year. However, as things stand, we have the farcical situation where a convicted drugs cheat such as the Mexican boxer Canelo Álvarez gets a six-month ban testing positive for clenbuterol in a sport where he could kill someone, while Guerrero looks like missing what should be the greatest moment of his career merely for sipping the wrong tea. http://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/news/punishment-for-cocaine-use-while-taking-part-in-sport-does-not-fit-the-crime/ar-AAxyIas?li=BBoPWjP&ocid=iehp
Banning Guerrero for the WC is insanity and it pretty much sinks Peru before they've started. [awaits outpouring of sympathy from Scots] The captains of Peru's World Cup group rivals (France, Denmark & Australia) have asked FIFA to let him play;
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44207640
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22 May 2018, 11:39 AM
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I'm sure this would get a good discussion going in the pubs and clubs on a Saturday night. Punishment for cocaine use while taking part in sport does not fit the crime Spoiler: click to toggle Peru’s Paolo Guerrero is trying to overturn a drugs ban so he can appear in the World Cup.© Reuters Peru’s Paolo Guerrero is trying to overturn a drugs ban so he can appear in the World Cup. Warrior by name, warrior by nature but three weeks before the World Cup Peru’s all-time top scorer, Paolo Guerrero, is facing a battle he not only cannot win but arguably should not be fighting at all. Until last week the 34-year-old thought he was off to Russia for his career swansong. Instead he is off to Switzerland to beg the Fifa president, Gianni Infantino, for a reprieve after the court of arbitration for sport extended his ban for testing positive for cocaine from six to 14 months. Sadly for Guerrero the meeting is the footballing equivalent of attempting a 50-yard scissor-kick after the ball has been deflated. No matter how audacious the effort the shot is unlikely to fly into the top corner – even though Cas accepts that Guerrero, who says he accidentally ingested cocaine in a tea, did not intend to enhance his performance. Peru national soccer team captain Paolo Guerrero talks during an interview with Reuters in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil December 21, 2017. His tattoo reads "Faith".© REUTERS/Ricardo Moraes Peru national soccer team captain Paolo Guerrero talks during an interview with Reuters in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil December 21, 2017. His tattoo reads "Faith". Guererro’s case does at least shine an overdue spotlight on the rules that govern sports people taking cocaine. No one disputes it should be on the World Anti-Doping Agency’s banned list, given the effect it has on people’s health and communities. Or that a form of punishment should exist for those who take it. But the current rules have many in anti-doping circles shaking their heads. For a start taking cocaine out of competition is considered fine under the Wada code. A footballer testing positive on a summer holiday, for instance, is likely to walk away with a get-out-of-jail-free card. Yet that same player testing positive after a match will face a ban of between 12 months and four years – as well as the eternal shame of being a branded a drug cheat. In my mind such people are not drug cheats – a term that should be saved for those who use banned substances to cheat. Rather they are drug takers. There is, moreover, a second important point here: cocaine’s performance-enhancing qualities are questionable at best. One senior anti-doping figure told me: “The idea that someone would use a euphoric substance like cocaine in competition is nuts. Yes, there are science papers that explain how it is theoretically feasible to have a beneficial effect. But I am not familiar with a single case where an athlete has been proved to use cocaine in competition in order to get an advantage.” A fan holds a poster of Peru's captain Paolo Guerrero, as he waits for his arrival, in Lima, Peru, Tuesday, May 15, 2018. The global footballers' union wants FIFA's help to review anti-doping rules after Guerrero was banned from the World Cup for a positive test for cocaine caused by contaminated tea. FIFPro says a 14-month ban barring the 34-year-old Guerrero from his World Cup debut is "unfair and disproportionate."© AP Photo/Martin Mejia A fan holds a poster of Peru's captain Paolo Guerrero, as he waits for his arrival, in Lima, Peru, Tuesday, May 15, 2018. The global footballers' union wants FIFA's help to review anti-doping rules after Guerrero was banned… There is a further twist in all this. Athletes hardly ever test positive for cocaine as such but for its metabolite benzoylecgonine, which lingers in the body for several days after the drug has been taken. The vast majority of the time athletes are taking the drug several days before a match – which is allowed – yet they still have a tiny bit lurking in their system when they are tested on a match day. This is exactly what happened to the Castleford rugby league player Zak Hardaker last September – he was banned for 14 months – and Dan Evans, the British tennis player, who was banned for one year after testing positive for cocaine last April. Essentially we have a bizarre situation where using cocaine away from sport is fine but evidence that you have used it can get you a huge ban. Think about this for a moment. We know that UK Anti‑Doping tests at amateur level – that means a budding cyclist or university rugby player could end up being banned for four years for taking a line of cocaine a few days before a race or match. It seems wildly excessive. 2018 World Cup: Russia will host the 21st edition of the World Cup next summer, with the action getting under way on 14 June and concluding with the final in Moscow on 15 July.Thirty-two countries from five confederations will be represented at the tournament, and in this slideshow we’ve picked out the key man from each participating nation.EVERY nation's most important player at the 2018 World Cup How did we get into this mess? Most people say the problem is that Wada classifies cocaine as a “non‑specified” substance – like anabolic steroids and EPO – which carry a ban of between 12 months and four years, rather than a “specified” substance, such as marijuana or salbutamol, which can be used for both medicinal and doping purposes. Because cocaine is a non-specified substance, the minimum ban is a year unless an athlete can show he or she is not at fault for having it in the body. Peru's Christian Cueva (R) and Jefferson Farfan show a number nine jersey in support of their suspended teammate Paolo Guerrero, during their 2018 World Cup qualifying play-off second leg football match against New This is easier said than done. Richard Gasquet managed it after persuading Cas that cocaine was present only due to him passionately kissing a woman who had taken cocaine at a nightclub. So did the West Brom and England footballer Jake Livermore, who was cleared after taking cocaine following the death of his son. But these are rare exceptions. What needs to change? One expert I spoke to suggested that a maximum six-month ban for a first offence for cocaine along with a fine that would go into the pot to fight doping is a good start. Another pointed out it was time Wada’s rule for cannabis was adopted for cocaine. This would mean someone testing positive but proving it was used in a context unrelated to sport would be deemed to have acted without significant fault and would be likely to escape a ban. Jake Livermore had a ban for taking cocaine overturned in 2015© Getty Jake Livermore had a ban for taking cocaine overturned in 2015 But changing the law will not be easy when politicians are so afraid of the public deeming them to be soft on drugs. A year before the London Olympics UKAD asked for cocaine to be changed to be treated the same as cannabis and quickly found itself slapped down by politicians on all sides. Perhaps, with Wada currently reviewing its code, there will be a change in the next year. However, as things stand, we have the farcical situation where a convicted drugs cheat such as the Mexican boxer Canelo Álvarez gets a six-month ban testing positive for clenbuterol in a sport where he could kill someone, while Guerrero looks like missing what should be the greatest moment of his career merely for sipping the wrong tea. http://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/news/punishment-for-cocaine-use-while-taking-part-in-sport-does-not-fit-the-crime/ar-AAxyIas?li=BBoPWjP&ocid=iehp
Banning Guerrero for the WC is insanity and it pretty much sinks Peru before they've started. [awaits outpouring of sympathy from Scots]
The captains of Peru's World Cup group rivals (France, Denmark & Australia) have asked FIFA to let him play; https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44207640 I know whos suitcase will be getting swabbed if he does get the nod
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22 May 2018, 12:09 PM
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Champions League final tickets resale through the roof. Some are on sale for more than 20 times face value, with one ticket on a resale website priced at more than £14,000.
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22 May 2018, 12:22 PM
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Champions League final tickets resale through the roof. Some are on sale for more than 20 times face value, with one ticket on a resale website priced at more than £14,000. https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_nkw=champions+league+final+ticket&ssPageName=GSTL&LH_Complete=1&_sop=13 You can keep track of the madness on eBay
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22 May 2018, 12:27 PM
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Nainggolan doesn't make the Belgian squad, Martinez says they can't accommodate him.
Apparently they were in the same restaurant in Ibiza one time and Martinez didn't even acknowledge him.
No Fabregas, Morata or Alonso for Spain either. Now Nainggolan announces his retirement from international football. According to a Belgian mate, Martinez doesn't like his drinking and smoking habits.
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22 May 2018, 01:36 PM
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Nainggolan doesn't make the Belgian squad, Martinez says they can't accommodate him.
Apparently they were in the same restaurant in Ibiza one time and Martinez didn't even acknowledge him.
No Fabregas, Morata or Alonso for Spain either.
Now Nainggolan announces his retirement from international football. According to a Belgian mate, Martinez doesn't like his drinking and smoking habits. I know Martinez is contracted until Euro2020 which would perhaps be Nainggolans last big effort for Belgium, but I think giving it the retirement guff is a bit much. No guarantees in football.
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22 May 2018, 02:03 PM
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Nainggolan doesn't make the Belgian squad, Martinez says they can't accommodate him.
Apparently they were in the same restaurant in Ibiza one time and Martinez didn't even acknowledge him.
No Fabregas, Morata or Alonso for Spain either.
Now Nainggolan announces his retirement from international football. According to a Belgian mate, Martinez doesn't like his drinking and smoking habits.
I know Martinez is contracted until Euro2020 which would perhaps be Nainggolans last big effort for Belgium, but I think giving it the retirement guff is a bit much. No guarantees in football. Means nothing these days really, I can understand him being effed off. He's a top player who would get a game for most international sides.
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22 May 2018, 02:17 PM
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Five page about Nainggolan in Belgium top French newspaper. 
A demonstration is planned too. Apparently, there's less emotion in Flanders. Martinez won't survive a failure in the World Cup.
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22 May 2018, 02:21 PM
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I know Martinez is contracted until Euro2020 which would perhaps be Nainggolans last big effort for Belgium, but I think giving it the retirement guff is a bit much. No guarantees in football.
Means nothing these days really, I can understand him being effed off. He's a top player who would get a game for most international sides. Absolutely. Happy for him to spit the dummy and call Martinez all the bastards under the sun. Why come out and retire when the manager you've an issue with might not even be there though? It's daft.
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Means nothing these days really, I can understand him being effed off. He's a top player who would get a game for most international sides.
Absolutely. Happy for him to spit the dummy and call Martinez all the bastards under the sun. Why come out and retire when the manager you've an issue with might not even be there though? It's daft. Aye it is, especially when they'll be amongst the favourites at the next 3 tournaments at least and you'd expect Martinez to be shown the door unless he makes the semi's. He can go to Ibiza and smoke and drink his tits off instead though, there are worse ways of spending a summer.
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A demonstration is planned too.
wtf?
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Means nothing these days really, I can understand him being effed off. He's a top player who would get a game for most international sides.
Absolutely. Happy for him to spit the dummy and call Martinez all the bastards under the sun. Why come out and retire when the manager you've an issue with might not even be there though? It's daft. He can easily come out of retirement though. It's been done lots of times before.
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Absolutely. Happy for him to spit the dummy and call Martinez all the bastards under the sun. Why come out and retire when the manager you've an issue with might not even be there though? It's daft.
He can easily come out of retirement though. It's been done lots of times before. Aye, I know that anaw. Just seemed like a pointless venture. Be as well just saying he's no interest of playing under Martinez, or saying bugger all.
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He can easily come out of retirement though. It's been done lots of times before.
Aye, I know that anaw. Just seemed like a pointless venture. Be as well just saying he's no interest of playing under Martinez, or saying bugger all. Going for the oul martyrdom to undermine Martinez by the look of it.
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Deloitte states that either Villa or Fulham will benefit immediately to the tune of £160m for winning the Championship playoff. If they survive their first season in the EPL, the number will rise to at least £280m even if they were relegated after two seasons.
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22 May 2018, 09:46 PM
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Wants him as his assistant?
Mourinho said he isn't bringing anyone in to his coaching team to replace the departing Rui Faria. He was on the phone to him, that’s from a rock solid source. As to the conversation, that’s up to speculation.
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Mourinho said he isn't bringing anyone in to his coaching team to replace the departing Rui Faria.
He was on the phone to him, that’s from a rock solid source. As to the conversation, that’s up to speculation. Hopefully telling him he’s still a carrot for Seville.
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ONE FOR THE GHIRLS Missguided launches ‘Celtic-inspired’ green and white striped T-shirt dress – and Hoops fans are loving it
Spoiler: click to toggle The online retailer took to social media to flog the 'oversized tee', which bears a striking resemblance to the Parkhead side's team colours MISSGUIDED is selling a Celtic-inspired green and white striped T-shirt dress online – and Hoops fans are loving it. The online retailer took to social media to flog the “oversized tee”, which bears a striking resemblance to the Parkhead side’s team colours. Posting on Twitter yesterday, the clothing giant said: “Monday’s = oversized tee’s. Shop the green striped tshirt dress.” And the B.A.B.E. tee has already sold out on the fashion brand’s website – as supporters joke they have launched a Celtic collection. One Twitter user said: “Charlie and the Bhoys outfit sorted.” Another added: “Missguided’s Celtic collection?” And Dionne Mclennan wrote: “Celtic new strip for girls.” It’s not the first time a fashion outlet has caused a stir with Scottish football fans over their merchandise. MOST READ IN FOOTBALL We told earlier how Primark was forced to apologise and axe hats sporting “Hun” from their Scottish stores. The retail giant made the move after concerns were raised about the derogatory term for Rangers supporters on the front of caps. A spokeswoman said any offence caused by the product was “unintentional” and admitted it must be aware of “cultural sensitivities” in certain regions. 
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Joe Biden’s secret service code name was Celtic. As chosen by himself. I only found this out tonight, was this widely known?
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