Welcome Guest [Log In] [Register]
Welcome to Kerrydale Street. We hope you enjoy your visit.

You're currently viewing our forum as a guest. This means you are limited to certain areas of the board and there are some features you can't use.

If you decide to register, please be aware that we don't accept email addresses from free web accounts like gmail, Hotmail, live.co.uk etc. Sorry, but almost all of the abuse and spam that we get is from free web accounts. The software on the forum will automatically block any requests using a free email account.

Upon Registration, you will be given access to all our varied Forums, and you will be expected to comply with our fairly stringent Rules and Regulations. Meantime, enjoy your visit

If you're already a member please log in to your account to access all of our features:

Username:   Password:
Add Reply
The "Where should I put this?" Thread;; Strange stories from the crazy world of football.
Topic Started: 25 Sep 2012, 05:56 PM (237,929 Views)
barrybhoy
Off treasure hunting in Holland
[ *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  * ]
https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2018/0514/963548-ireland-u17s-beaten-in-controversial-penalty-shootout/

Ireland U-17s undone in penalty shootout when their keeper is sent off, for a 2nd bookable offence, the offence being of course he moved off his line too early. Ridiculous to say the least. 99.9999% of keepers do what he did, including the Dutch keeper. Crock of shampoo, any ref who did in the real WC this summer will have his baws toed big time.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
KrnyBhoy
Member Avatar
Retired and now a BT Sports pundit
[ *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  * ]
barrybhoy
14 May 2018, 09:32 PM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2018/0514/963548-ireland-u17s-beaten-in-controversial-penalty-shootout/

Ireland U-17s undone in penalty shootout when their keeper is sent off, for a 2nd bookable offence, the offence being of course he moved off his line too early. Ridiculous to say the least. 99.9999% of keepers do what he did, including the Dutch keeper. Crock of shampoo, any ref who did in the real WC this summer will have his baws toed big time.
One of the many reasons refs deserve all the abuse they recieve when they make a shampooe decision. Feck this respect the referees and bending over for them like rugby players.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
san meegs
Member Avatar
...
[ *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  * ]
The King ( :wub: ) and MON confirmed as ITV pundits for the World Cup. Gary Neville doing it too which should be decent.

https://twitter.com/itvfootball/status/996027080860151813?s=21
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
tarff26
Member Avatar
Call it what it is
[ *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  * ]
KrnyBhoy
14 May 2018, 09:40 PM
barrybhoy
14 May 2018, 09:32 PM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2018/0514/963548-ireland-u17s-beaten-in-controversial-penalty-shootout/

Ireland U-17s undone in penalty shootout when their keeper is sent off, for a 2nd bookable offence, the offence being of course he moved off his line too early. Ridiculous to say the least. 99.9999% of keepers do what he did, including the Dutch keeper. Crock of shampoo, any ref who did in the real WC this summer will have his baws toed big time.
One of the many reasons refs deserve all the abuse they recieve when they make a shampooe decision. Feck this respect the referees and bending over for them like rugby players.
That seems to be the rules, though. If the keeper is off his line, which the Irish keeper certainly looked to be, then it’s a booking and a retake.

The issue is consistency in applying these rules.

Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Quemelachupen
Member Avatar
First team training
[ *  *  * ]
Gamboa in the Costa Rica world cup squad.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
KrnyBhoy
Member Avatar
Retired and now a BT Sports pundit
[ *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  * ]
tarff26
14 May 2018, 09:54 PM
KrnyBhoy
14 May 2018, 09:40 PM
barrybhoy
14 May 2018, 09:32 PM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2018/0514/963548-ireland-u17s-beaten-in-controversial-penalty-shootout/

Ireland U-17s undone in penalty shootout when their keeper is sent off, for a 2nd bookable offence, the offence being of course he moved off his line too early. Ridiculous to say the least. 99.9999% of keepers do what he did, including the Dutch keeper. Crock of shampoo, any ref who did in the real WC this summer will have his baws toed big time.
One of the many reasons refs deserve all the abuse they recieve when they make a shampooe decision. Feck this respect the referees and bending over for them like rugby players.
That seems to be the rules, though. If the keeper is off his line, which the Irish keeper certainly looked to be, then it’s a booking and a retake.

The issue is consistency in applying these rules.

Just seen that myself. Point still stands though eff refs for not booking every other keeper :lol:
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
The Notorious Larry Duff
Member Avatar
First-team captain
[ *  *  *  *  *  *  *  * ]
barrybhoy
14 May 2018, 09:32 PM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2018/0514/963548-ireland-u17s-beaten-in-controversial-penalty-shootout/

Ireland U-17s undone in penalty shootout when their keeper is sent off, for a 2nd bookable offence, the offence being of course he moved off his line too early. Ridiculous to say the least. 99.9999% of keepers do what he did, including the Dutch keeper. Crock of shampoo, any ref who did in the real WC this summer will have his baws toed big time.
It takes a certain type of bastard to make a decision like that. Literally ruined a kids dreams over something that iv'e never heard of as being a yellow card offence out of pure spite. And he barely came off his line!

He's probably a traffic warden by day.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Quiet Assasin
Member Avatar
..for the maintenance of dinner tables for the children and the unemployed
[ *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  * ]
Quemelachupen
14 May 2018, 10:02 PM
Gamboa in the Costa Rica world cup squad.
Bring him home
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Gunner
Member Avatar
I'll play anywhere, as long as I get a game!
[ *  *  *  *  *  *  * ]
The Notorious Larry Duff
14 May 2018, 11:24 PM
barrybhoy
14 May 2018, 09:32 PM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2018/0514/963548-ireland-u17s-beaten-in-controversial-penalty-shootout/

Ireland U-17s undone in penalty shootout when their keeper is sent off, for a 2nd bookable offence, the offence being of course he moved off his line too early. Ridiculous to say the least. 99.9999% of keepers do what he did, including the Dutch keeper. Crock of shampoo, any ref who did in the real WC this summer will have his baws toed big time.
It takes a certain type of bastard to make a decision like that. Literally ruined a kids dreams over something that iv'e never heard of as being a yellow card offence out of pure spite. And he barely came off his line!

He's probably a traffic warden by day.
The refs in between a rock and a hard place here. By the letter of the law, it's the right decision.

I accept its ultra harsh, but with so much riding on the game - who is he to determine which laws he enforces and which he doesn't.

Does he:

a) do nothing, and allow the save to stand whilst the team who have missed are unjustly out because of a penalty that was saved by a keeper off his line too soon? Would the other team kick off in the same way many have had in defence of the Irish keeper because the ref should have spotted that he was off his line and ordered a re-take?

b) order a retake due to the keeper being off his line and not give the goalkeeper a second caution - that will then be questioned by the other team and the football authorities as to why a second yellow wasn't issues as the infringement by the keeper leaves no room for doubt over the fact a yellow should have been issued?

As many have said, it's harsh.... particularly magnified by the importance of the game and the time that the offence occurred (during a shoot out).
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
greenjedi
Member Avatar
Jedi Master
[ *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  * ]
Gunner
15 May 2018, 09:59 AM
The Notorious Larry Duff
14 May 2018, 11:24 PM
barrybhoy
14 May 2018, 09:32 PM
https://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2018/0514/963548-ireland-u17s-beaten-in-controversial-penalty-shootout/

Ireland U-17s undone in penalty shootout when their keeper is sent off, for a 2nd bookable offence, the offence being of course he moved off his line too early. Ridiculous to say the least. 99.9999% of keepers do what he did, including the Dutch keeper. Crock of shampoo, any ref who did in the real WC this summer will have his baws toed big time.
It takes a certain type of bastard to make a decision like that. Literally ruined a kids dreams over something that iv'e never heard of as being a yellow card offence out of pure spite. And he barely came off his line!

He's probably a traffic warden by day.
The refs in between a rock and a hard place here. By the letter of the law, it's the right decision.

I accept its ultra harsh, but with so much riding on the game - who is he to determine which laws he enforces and which he doesn't.

Does he:

a) do nothing, and allow the save to stand whilst the team who have missed are unjustly out because of a penalty that was saved by a keeper off his line too soon? Would the other team kick off in the same way many have had in defence of the Irish keeper because the ref should have spotted that he was off his line and ordered a re-take?

b) order a retake due to the keeper being off his line and not give the goalkeeper a second caution - that will then be questioned by the other team and the football authorities as to why a second yellow wasn't issues as the infringement by the keeper leaves no room for doubt over the fact a yellow should have been issued?

As many have said, it's harsh.... particularly magnified by the importance of the game and the time that the offence occurred (during a shoot out).
He didn't book the other goalie for leaving his line though
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Rosco67
Member Avatar
We're here to eff shampoo up!
[ *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  * ]
Think option B is fair enough. Advantage to the the penalty taker with a retake after he has missed, and disadvantages the keeper who has made the save. Keepers are off their lines at penalties 99 times out of 100.
Edited by Rosco67, 15 May 2018, 10:05 AM.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Forza
Considering retirement
[ *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  * ]
Seen a few retakes caused by a keeper infringing. Don't think I've ever seen someone given a yellow for it though. It seems to be made worse by the fact that when the penalty is being hit, the keeper's foot is still actually touching the line. Although his momentum does end up taking him quite far off it for the evntual save.

This could do with being cleared up a bit. Goalies step forward all the time. Lewis did it for the Sheep at Pittodrie the other week against Hibs and got away with it when saving a penalty.

It must be close to impossible to expect a goalkeeper to keep his body on the line during a penalty.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Gunner
Member Avatar
I'll play anywhere, as long as I get a game!
[ *  *  *  *  *  *  * ]
Rosco67
15 May 2018, 10:04 AM
Think option B is fair enough. Advantage to the the penalty taker with a retake after he has missed, and disadvantages the keeper who has made the save. Keepers are off their lines at penalties 99 times out of 100.
I get that. But there are certain fouls that have pre-determined punishments... i.e a foul which is holding/pulling a jersey back from a player running away from you carries a yellow card.

A goalkeeper, coming off his line early AND saving the penalty - is a yellow card and retake.

- if the ref has penalised the keeper for coming off his line early AND saving the penalty - he should always be issuing a yellow card.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Gunner
Member Avatar
I'll play anywhere, as long as I get a game!
[ *  *  *  *  *  *  * ]
greenjedi
15 May 2018, 10:04 AM
Gunner
15 May 2018, 09:59 AM
The Notorious Larry Duff
14 May 2018, 11:24 PM
The refs in between a rock and a hard place here. By the letter of the law, it's the right decision.

I accept its ultra harsh, but with so much riding on the game - who is he to determine which laws he enforces and which he doesn't.

Does he:

a) do nothing, and allow the save to stand whilst the team who have missed are unjustly out because of a penalty that was saved by a keeper off his line too soon? Would the other team kick off in the same way many have had in defence of the Irish keeper because the ref should have spotted that he was off his line and ordered a re-take?

b) order a retake due to the keeper being off his line and not give the goalkeeper a second caution - that will then be questioned by the other team and the football authorities as to why a second yellow wasn't issues as the infringement by the keeper leaves no room for doubt over the fact a yellow should have been issued?

As many have said, it's harsh.... particularly magnified by the importance of the game and the time that the offence occurred (during a shoot out).
He didn't book the other goalie for leaving his line though
Did ireland score their penalty into him though? (I have only seen the 1 clip of the irish keepers yellow) - if they did, it becomes irrelevant if the goalie was off his line early.

FWIW

The referee's decision is affected by the penalty being scored:

https://imgur.com/a/zBMCZiv

That image will show you the table.

Sadly, the referee has 100% got the decision correct.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
littlegmbhoy
Member Avatar
Club Captain
[ *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  * ]
He surely is going to get jail time now? He has already been tagged ffs

Seems like a total bam the amount of trouble he gets into....one of those guys that just seems to cause trouble wherever he goes.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-tayside-central-44124706
Edited by littlegmbhoy, 15 May 2018, 02:38 PM.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
greenjedi
Member Avatar
Jedi Master
[ *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  * ]
Gunner
15 May 2018, 01:20 PM
greenjedi
15 May 2018, 10:04 AM
Gunner
15 May 2018, 09:59 AM
He didn't book the other goalie for leaving his line though
Did ireland score their penalty into him though? (I have only seen the 1 clip of the irish keepers yellow) - if they did, it becomes irrelevant if the goalie was off his line early.

FWIW

The referee's decision is affected by the penalty being scored:

https://imgur.com/a/zBMCZiv

That image will show you the table.

Sadly, the referee has 100% got the decision correct.
You can still be booked if you commit a foul and the ref gives the advantage
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Masterplanner
Occasional Substitute
[ *  *  *  * ]
Gunner
15 May 2018, 01:20 PM
greenjedi
15 May 2018, 10:04 AM
Gunner
15 May 2018, 09:59 AM
He didn't book the other goalie for leaving his line though
Did ireland score their penalty into him though? (I have only seen the 1 clip of the irish keepers yellow) - if they did, it becomes irrelevant if the goalie was off his line early.

FWIW

The referee's decision is affected by the penalty being scored:

https://imgur.com/a/zBMCZiv

That image will show you the table.

Sadly, the referee has 100% got the decision correct.
I wonder what happens if the keeper comes off line early to lets say his RHS and the pen taker puts the ball well wide to the opposite side?
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
ronny_is_not_da_man
Member Avatar
Off treasure hunting in Holland
[ *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  * ]
Don't think I have ever seen a ref book a keeper for that :ponder:
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Luca
Member Avatar
Off treasure hunting in Holland
[ *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  * ]
littlegmbhoy
15 May 2018, 02:37 PM
He surely is going to get jail time now? He has already been tagged ffs

Seems like a total bam the amount of trouble he gets into....one of those guys that just seems to cause trouble wherever he goes.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-tayside-central-44124706
Has he been in trouble before? I had no idea he was a wild yin. :ponder:
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
celticsean
Member Avatar
... part of the original cast ...
[ *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  * ]
https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2018/may/15/swansea-could-saved-themselves-premier-league-possession?CMP=share_btn_tw

Interesting piece
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
1 user reading this topic (1 Guest and 0 Anonymous)
ZetaBoards - Free Forum Hosting
Free Forums. Reliable service with over 8 years of experience.
Learn More · Sign-up for Free
Go to Next Page
« Previous Topic · Celtic Football Club Discussion Forum · Next Topic »
Add Reply