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The "Where should I put this?" Thread;; Strange stories from the crazy world of football.
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Sky lose la liga games to eleven sports (Nope me neither) This season is skys last. Epl and nothing else is all the carrots care about.
Pish. I like my La Liga fill. Wonder how much that channel would be
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Sky lose la liga games to eleven sports (Nope me neither) This season is skys last. Epl and nothing else is all the carrots care about.
This seems bizarre. Eleven Sports are headquartered in London but have no broadcasting presence in the UK at all.

The Chief Exec is from MP & Silva so are they acting as a wholesaler to another broadcaster or do they intend to begin their own UK platform showing purely La Liga?
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Sky lose la liga games to eleven sports (Nope me neither) This season is skys last. Epl and nothing else is all the carrots care about.
This seems bizarre. Eleven Sports are headquartered in London but have no broadcasting presence in the UK at all.

The Chief Exec is from MP & Silva so are they acting as a wholesaler to another broadcaster or do they intend to begin their own UK platform showing purely La Liga?
That's really annoying, love my La Liga fix on sunday evenings. They could still sell their package on to Sky but I doubt it.

Another reason for me to negotiate my Sky package downwards
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2 May 2018, 11:54 AM
Sky lose la liga games to eleven sports (Nope me neither) This season is skys last. Epl and nothing else is all the carrots care about.
This seems bizarre. Eleven Sports are headquartered in London but have no broadcasting presence in the UK at all.

The Chief Exec is from MP & Silva so are they acting as a wholesaler to another broadcaster or do they intend to begin their own UK platform showing purely La Liga?
That's really annoying, love my La Liga fix on sunday evenings. They could still sell their package on to Sky but I doubt it.

Another reason for me to negotiate my Sky package downwards
From their press release they have indicated that they will be announcing how they propose to broadcast these games in due course. The wording of it make it seem like it will be a streaming service.

Their CEO: "this is an incredibly exciting time for our young and dynamic company and we will announce soon how we will introduce innovative ways for dedicated fans to watch and engage in the live action."
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That's really annoying, love my La Liga fix on sunday evenings. They could still sell their package on to Sky but I doubt it.

Another reason for me to negotiate my Sky package downwards
From their press release they have indicated that they will be announcing how they propose to broadcast these games in due course. The wording of it make it seem like it will be a streaming service.

Their CEO: "this is an incredibly exciting time for our young and dynamic company and we will announce soon how we will introduce innovative ways for dedicated fans to watch and engage in the live action."
It’ll leave a large gap in the Sky Sports schedule. I think this could be a good thing if the SPFL don’t mess up the negotiations this year. I wonder if Sky will try to make a play for the Serie A rights?
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From their press release they have indicated that they will be announcing how they propose to broadcast these games in due course. The wording of it make it seem like it will be a streaming service.

Their CEO: "this is an incredibly exciting time for our young and dynamic company and we will announce soon how we will introduce innovative ways for dedicated fans to watch and engage in the live action."
It’ll leave a large gap in the Sky Sports schedule. I think this could be a good thing if the SPFL don’t mess up the negotiations this year. I wonder if Sky will try to make a play for the Serie A rights?
The Serie A deal with BT is up at the end of this season. This could well be Sky's play. La Liga have put a few high profile games in 3pm UK Saturday time slots in recent years, including Clasicos, so it wouldn't surprise me if they think there is a limit to what the rights are worth, because they can't always broadcast the best games.

A bit of digging suggests that Sky bid £18m per year for La Liga rights this time round. To beat the most well established sports subscription broadcaster in a market the size of the UK, you would imagine that Eleven Sports will have had to have completely blown that out of the water, by maybe up to 25%, for La Liga to have even considered it.

For that money, Sky previously got access to over 300 live games. That's quite a bit of programming to fill in the schedule.

Will be interesting to see how Eleven Sports think they can drive subscriptions and audiences in the UK using one product which is from outside the UK, however marketable it has proved to be.
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Well that will be me Spanish football free then. No way am I paying Sky, BT and some other station.

Wish BT would just buy the rights to the SPFL and I could be done with Sky as well.
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It’ll leave a large gap in the Sky Sports schedule. I think this could be a good thing if the SPFL don’t mess up the negotiations this year. I wonder if Sky will try to make a play for the Serie A rights?
The Serie A deal with BT is up at the end of this season. This could well be Sky's play. La Liga have put a few high profile games in 3pm UK Saturday time slots in recent years, including Clasicos, so it wouldn't surprise me if they think there is a limit to what the rights are worth, because they can't always broadcast the best games.

A bit of digging suggests that Sky bid £18m per year for La Liga rights this time round. To beat the most well established sports subscription broadcaster in a market the size of the UK, you would imagine that Eleven Sports will have had to have completely blown that out of the water, by maybe up to 25%, for La Liga to have even considered it.

For that money, Sky previously got access to over 300 live games. That's quite a bit of programming to fill in the schedule.

Will be interesting to see how Eleven Sports think they can drive subscriptions and audiences in the UK using one product which is from outside the UK, however marketable it has proved to be.
There’s still two Premier League packages kicking about after Scudamore’s disastrous attempt to flush out Amazon and Google. Sky and BT don’t seem to be interested and Eleven Sports might fancy getting them at a discounted rate.

This theoretically should put the SPFL in a stronger position with rights coming up within the next few weeks. Then again, it wouldn’t surprise me that Doncaster and co take the first offer heading their way.

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The Serie A deal with BT is up at the end of this season. This could well be Sky's play. La Liga have put a few high profile games in 3pm UK Saturday time slots in recent years, including Clasicos, so it wouldn't surprise me if they think there is a limit to what the rights are worth, because they can't always broadcast the best games.

A bit of digging suggests that Sky bid £18m per year for La Liga rights this time round. To beat the most well established sports subscription broadcaster in a market the size of the UK, you would imagine that Eleven Sports will have had to have completely blown that out of the water, by maybe up to 25%, for La Liga to have even considered it.

For that money, Sky previously got access to over 300 live games. That's quite a bit of programming to fill in the schedule.

Will be interesting to see how Eleven Sports think they can drive subscriptions and audiences in the UK using one product which is from outside the UK, however marketable it has proved to be.
There’s still two Premier League packages kicking about after Scudamore’s disastrous attempt to flush out Amazon and Google. Sky and BT don’t seem to be interested and Eleven Sports might fancy getting them at a discounted rate.

This theoretically should put the SPFL in a stronger position with rights coming up within the next few weeks. Then again, it wouldn’t surprise me that Doncaster and co take the first offer heading their way.

Could be, but the remaining two packages are for three entire midweek fixture rounds and an entire Bank Holiday fixtures round. It's not something any new broadcaster to the PL market can spread across a schedule for an entire season.

It has been handled dreadfully by Scudamore because unless you are an existing broadcaster you are not going to go all in on very infrequent rights that have to be used in literally only four separate weeks out of a 42 week football season, unless you are getting them relatively cheaply.

I think there is a better chance of BT picking them up for a song, relatively speaking. Sky can't bid for them because under the EU anti-monopoly rules (which will presumably be mirrored in UK law post Brexit, but you never know with the Tories and Murdoch) they have reached their limit of purchased live games.

As for the SPFL, I don't doubt the rights value will appreciate. Sky losing a further 30 live games a season may only be a tenth of what they are losing with La Liga, but I think they could ill afford to lose any more. Especially live football programming that actually involves UK teams. Not even regular non-Clasico Barcelona and Real matches get the audiences of the vast majority of Celtic and Sevco matches.

More pressing is the SFA deal with Sky for the Scottish Cup and Scottish international games. That is up this season. Still no announcement on who will be screening either come September, but presumably they have been waiting for the appointment of a new Chief Exec at the SFA before doing anything.

EDIT: Hey presto. Looks like Eleven Sports actually do have these remaining PL rights in their sights right enough. https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/leeds-chairmans-company-eyes-premier-league-tv-rights-after-beating-sky-to-la-liga-deal-r2zhfh7lg
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David Squires' latest cartoon in the Guardian featuring Peter Drury is worth reading, one of his funnier ones :lol:

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There’s still two Premier League packages kicking about after Scudamore’s disastrous attempt to flush out Amazon and Google. Sky and BT don’t seem to be interested and Eleven Sports might fancy getting them at a discounted rate.

This theoretically should put the SPFL in a stronger position with rights coming up within the next few weeks. Then again, it wouldn’t surprise me that Doncaster and co take the first offer heading their way.

Could be, but the remaining two packages are for three entire midweek fixture rounds and an entire Bank Holiday fixtures round. It's not something any new broadcaster to the PL market can spread across a schedule for an entire season.

It has been handled dreadfully by Scudamore because unless you are an existing broadcaster you are not going to go all in on very infrequent rights that have to be used in literally only four separate weeks out of a 42 week football season, unless you are getting them relatively cheaply.

I think there is a better chance of BT picking them up for a song, relatively speaking. Sky can't bid for them because under the EU anti-monopoly rules (which will presumably be mirrored in UK law post Brexit, but you never know with the Tories and Murdoch) they have reached their limit of purchased live games.

As for the SPFL, I don't doubt the rights value will appreciate. Sky losing a further 30 live games a season may only be a tenth of what they are losing with La Liga, but I think they could ill afford to lose any more. Especially live football programming that actually involves UK teams. Not even regular non-Clasico Barcelona and Real matches get the audiences of the vast majority of Celtic and Sevco matches.

More pressing is the SFA deal with Sky for the Scottish Cup and Scottish international games. That is up this season. Still no announcement on who will be screening either come September, but presumably they have been waiting for the appointment of a new Chief Exec at the SFA before doing anything.

EDIT: Hey presto. Looks like Eleven Sports actually do have these remaining PL rights in their sights right enough. https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/leeds-chairmans-company-eyes-premier-league-tv-rights-after-beating-sky-to-la-liga-deal-r2zhfh7lg
I wonder if Eleven Sports fancy launching a DAZN-like service in the U.K.? If they are successful in getting the Premier League packages and mount a bid for the Serie A, they could actually have a decent portfolio for a relatively cheap start up cost.
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David Squires' latest cartoon in the Guardian featuring Peter Drury is worth reading, one of his funnier ones :lol:

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I don't see that there's any evidence that Sky losing La Liga will result in them paying more for Scottish football. Sports rights looks to be a declining market at the moment with people finding alternative means for watching live football. Sky are paying 14% less for their beloved EPL in the new deal and they were reportedly unwilling to pay the £18million they had been to screen Spanish football. Everything points to them cutting back on their spending on sports, rather than increasing it.
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It’ll leave a large gap in the Sky Sports schedule. I think this could be a good thing if the SPFL don’t mess up the negotiations this year. I wonder if Sky will try to make a play for the Serie A rights?
The Serie A deal with BT is up at the end of this season. This could well be Sky's play. La Liga have put a few high profile games in 3pm UK Saturday time slots in recent years, including Clasicos, so it wouldn't surprise me if they think there is a limit to what the rights are worth, because they can't always broadcast the best games.

A bit of digging suggests that Sky bid £18m per year for La Liga rights this time round. To beat the most well established sports subscription broadcaster in a market the size of the UK, you would imagine that Eleven Sports will have had to have completely blown that out of the water, by maybe up to 25%, for La Liga to have even considered it.

For that money, Sky previously got access to over 300 live games. That's quite a bit of programming to fill in the schedule.

Will be interesting to see how Eleven Sports think they can drive subscriptions and audiences in the UK using one product which is from outside the UK, however marketable it has proved to be.
It is unclear how the action will be packaged and shown in the UK and Ireland from the start of next term.
Eleven Sports is currently accessible online - although it is unavailable in the UK.

For users in the United States, a full subscription package costs $214.90 (£157) or $19.90 (£14.57).

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/sky-sports-lose-la-liga-12466557
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There’s still two Premier League packages kicking about after Scudamore’s disastrous attempt to flush out Amazon and Google. Sky and BT don’t seem to be interested and Eleven Sports might fancy getting them at a discounted rate.

This theoretically should put the SPFL in a stronger position with rights coming up within the next few weeks. Then again, it wouldn’t surprise me that Doncaster and co take the first offer heading their way.

Could be, but the remaining two packages are for three entire midweek fixture rounds and an entire Bank Holiday fixtures round. It's not something any new broadcaster to the PL market can spread across a schedule for an entire season.

It has been handled dreadfully by Scudamore because unless you are an existing broadcaster you are not going to go all in on very infrequent rights that have to be used in literally only four separate weeks out of a 42 week football season, unless you are getting them relatively cheaply.

I think there is a better chance of BT picking them up for a song, relatively speaking. Sky can't bid for them because under the EU anti-monopoly rules (which will presumably be mirrored in UK law post Brexit, but you never know with the Tories and Murdoch) they have reached their limit of purchased live games.

As for the SPFL, I don't doubt the rights value will appreciate. Sky losing a further 30 live games a season may only be a tenth of what they are losing with La Liga, but I think they could ill afford to lose any more. Especially live football programming that actually involves UK teams. Not even regular non-Clasico Barcelona and Real matches get the audiences of the vast majority of Celtic and Sevco matches.

More pressing is the SFA deal with Sky for the Scottish Cup and Scottish international games. That is up this season. Still no announcement on who will be screening either come September, but presumably they have been waiting for the appointment of a new Chief Exec at the SFA before doing anything.

EDIT: Hey presto. Looks like Eleven Sports actually do have these remaining PL rights in their sights right enough. https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/leeds-chairmans-company-eyes-premier-league-tv-rights-after-beating-sky-to-la-liga-deal-r2zhfh7lg
Most Scotland games are now covered by the central deals done for UEFA qualification and Nations League. That just leaves the Scottish Cup and any home friendlies* for the SFA to sell. That isn't that attractive, particularly when you consider that the Scottish Cup final is a listed event in Scotland.

*as it happens, there are a couple coming up (Belgium and Portugal) because Scotland happened to be drawn in the three-team group for the Nations League. But in future there shouldn't be nearly as many friendlies as there have been in the past.
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I don't see that there's any evidence that Sky losing La Liga will result in them paying more for Scottish football. Sports rights looks to be a declining market at the moment with people finding alternative means for watching live football. Sky are paying 14% less for their beloved EPL in the new deal and they were reportedly unwilling to pay the £18million they had been to screen Spanish football. Everything points to them cutting back on their spending on sports, rather than increasing it.
The Premier League's fall in value is down to Scudamore's attempts to "flush" out Amazon and Google. Sky and BT knew that Google and Amazon entering the UK sports market was a non-starter and put a safe, but lower, offer in. The Premier League has two packages that they are struggling to sell now and I suspect that rights will fall again in the UK.

Sky has a big gap in their schedule now and have to fill it. The chances are they'll make a play for the Serie A, but that won't be enough to fill the space left by the La Liga as Barcelona and Real Madrid are more attractive to the average football fan. If they're successful in getting the Serie A, that leaves a big gap in BT Sport and they'll have to fill the gaps somehow. I genuinely think that Sky will now want exclusive rights of the SPFL rather than sharing the rights with BT this time around.

With the El Clasico gone, Sky can't afford to lose our games against Sevco now.
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I don't see that there's any evidence that Sky losing La Liga will result in them paying more for Scottish football. Sports rights looks to be a declining market at the moment with people finding alternative means for watching live football. Sky are paying 14% less for their beloved EPL in the new deal and they were reportedly unwilling to pay the £18million they had been to screen Spanish football. Everything points to them cutting back on their spending on sports, rather than increasing it.
The Premier League's fall in value is down to Scudamore's attempts to "flush" out Amazon and Google. Sky and BT knew that Google and Amazon entering the UK sports market was a non-starter and put a safe, but lower, offer in. The Premier League has two packages that they are struggling to sell now and I suspect that rights will fall again in the UK.

Sky has a big gap in their schedule now and have to fill it. The chances are they'll make a play for the Serie A, but that won't be enough to fill the space left by the La Liga as Barcelona and Real Madrid are more attractive to the average football fan. If they're successful in getting the Serie A, that leaves a big gap in BT Sport and they'll have to fill the gaps somehow. I genuinely think that Sky will now want exclusive rights of the SPFL rather than sharing the rights with BT this time around.

With the El Clasico gone, Sky can't afford to lose our games against Sevco now.
Celtic - Rangers games pulled in more viewers for Sky than Barca - Real. Perhaps not too surprising but they won’t want to lose both of them.
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I don't see that there's any evidence that Sky losing La Liga will result in them paying more for Scottish football. Sports rights looks to be a declining market at the moment with people finding alternative means for watching live football. Sky are paying 14% less for their beloved EPL in the new deal and they were reportedly unwilling to pay the £18million they had been to screen Spanish football. Everything points to them cutting back on their spending on sports, rather than increasing it.
The Premier League's fall in value is down to Scudamore's attempts to "flush" out Amazon and Google. Sky and BT knew that Google and Amazon entering the UK sports market was a non-starter and put a safe, but lower, offer in. The Premier League has two packages that they are struggling to sell now and I suspect that rights will fall again in the UK.

Sky has a big gap in their schedule now and have to fill it. The chances are they'll make a play for the Serie A, but that won't be enough to fill the space left by the La Liga as Barcelona and Real Madrid are more attractive to the average football fan. If they're successful in getting the Serie A, that leaves a big gap in BT Sport and they'll have to fill the gaps somehow. I genuinely think that Sky will now want exclusive rights of the SPFL rather than sharing the rights with BT this time around.

With the El Clasico gone, Sky can't afford to lose our games against Sevco now.
Celtic - Rangers games pulled in more viewers for Sky than Barca - Real. Perhaps not too surprising but they won’t want to lose both of them.
Sky were looking to pay £18m max for 300+ Spanish games per season.

They pay somewhere between £10-12m for 30 Scottish games. They know the value of the SPFL.

And that is as it should be. No matter the size of the appeal of Real and Barca, they are still foreign clubs. They are not more valuable to Sky in the UK than two big clubs and league that are actually UK based, regardless of what you think the fanbase is for the SPFL.

The issue is volume. There are not enough SPFL games to justify putting out live, so the maximum is probably 60 to 70 for any company looking for exclusivity. It doesn't even amount to a quarter of what they are losing from La Liga, and they can't out any SPFL in the late Saturday and Sunday timeslots.
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Celtic - Rangers games pulled in more viewers for Sky than Barca - Real. Perhaps not too surprising but they won’t want to lose both of them.
Sky were looking to pay £18m max for 300+ Spanish games per season.

They pay somewhere between £10-12m for 30 Scottish games. They know the value of the SPFL.

And that is as it should be. No matter the size of the appeal of Real and Barca, they are still foreign clubs. They are not more valuable to Sky in the UK than two big clubs and league that are actually UK based, regardless of what you think the fanbase is for the SPFL.

The issue is volume. There are not enough SPFL games to justify putting out live, so the maximum is probably 60 to 70 for any company looking for exclusivity. It doesn't even amount to a quarter of what they are losing from La Liga, and they can't out any SPFL in the late Saturday and Sunday timeslots.
Until recently BT were courting the SPFL over sole ownership of the rights. I’m not too sure if that’s still the case with the deal that they struck with Sky over carriage of BT channels on Sky platforms.

All of this should be clear by the next few months, but I’m optimistic of a decent increase in the value of the SPFL broadcasting revenue.


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Sky were looking to pay £18m max for 300+ Spanish games per season.

They pay somewhere between £10-12m for 30 Scottish games. They know the value of the SPFL.

And that is as it should be. No matter the size of the appeal of Real and Barca, they are still foreign clubs. They are not more valuable to Sky in the UK than two big clubs and league that are actually UK based, regardless of what you think the fanbase is for the SPFL.

The issue is volume. There are not enough SPFL games to justify putting out live, so the maximum is probably 60 to 70 for any company looking for exclusivity. It doesn't even amount to a quarter of what they are losing from La Liga, and they can't out any SPFL in the late Saturday and Sunday timeslots.
Until recently BT were courting the SPFL over sole ownership of the rights. I’m not too sure if that’s still the case with the deal that they struck with Sky over carriage of BT channels on Sky platforms.

All of this should be clear by the next few months, but I’m optimistic of a decent increase in the value of the SPFL broadcasting revenue.


I just hope it is more transparent. It would be good for the SPFL to share what they want to get out of any future rights agreement and roughly when they expect it to be concluded. There will only be one more full season after next under the present deal, so we should really be seeing evidence of it pretty soon into the new season.

The last two or three have either been hushed up extensions with minimal increases, or been announced before anyone really knew there were talks, with the meagre terms agreed almost going unreported they are that bad. That's also a tactic Sky have used with the EFL, and plenty of their members have been increasingly annoyed by the lack of transparency.

In England, we always know roughly when the PL tender is scheduled for every three years, and the number of packages and games available.

Would be good to know what number of games they see being live and whether they want an increase, rules on number of a home team's games that can be shown (would make a lot more of the better games available), transparency over who all of the potential partners are, how much more total SPFL programming hours are being sought, whether they are considering a streaming platform (obviously aside from existing services on Now TV and the BT Player). If they don't have targets around this, then they should.

The barometer should something like the Danish TV deal.

Sky's deal is a chokehold on crucial elements like the quality of highlights coverage offered domestically, and the MP & Silva produced SPFL highlights programme is also pretty low quality.
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