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The "Where should I put this?" Thread;; Strange stories from the crazy world of football.
Topic Started: 25 Sep 2012, 05:56 PM (237,966 Views)
IainG
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Ah but I was so much older then,I'm younger than that now
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SaMule
17 Jan 2018, 11:34 AM
IainG
17 Jan 2018, 11:24 AM
The Championship was the third most-watched league in European football during the 2016-17 season.

The Premier League tops the list with total attendances of more than 13m, with Germany's Bundesliga second.

England's second tier, with an total of more than 11m, ranks higher than Spain's La Liga, Italy's Serie A and France's Ligue 1.

I'm impressed. I really am considering some of the teams are just not very good.
That's the power of marketing for you. Although the fact that they play something like 44 league games a season in the English "Championship" probably helps too.

From what was presumably the same set of statistics, I noticed yesterday that Scotland has the highest percentage of its population attending games in all of Europe.
I'm not sure if it's in this report. Haven't got round to readin git all yet.
https://uefa.app.box.com/v/benchmarking

This also.....

For the first time in European football, 11 clubs have reported aggregate league attendances of over one million.
West Ham, Celtic and Liverpool have now surpassed the one million mark, joining Man Utd, Arsenal and Man City in the top 11.

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IainG
17 Jan 2018, 11:24 AM
The Championship was the third most-watched league in European football during the 2016-17 season.

The Premier League tops the list with total attendances of more than 13m, with Germany's Bundesliga second.

England's second tier, with an total of more than 11m, ranks higher than Spain's La Liga, Italy's Serie A and France's Ligue 1.

I'm impressed. I really am considering some of the teams are just not very good.
That's what happens when you've got Newcastle, Villa, Leeds, Derby and Sheffield Wednesday in the second tier, and Bournemouth, Burnley, Swansea, Watford and Hull (last season) in the top flight. Pretty anomalous period for English football for that scenario to happen and has been the case for a while now. Nevertheless, it doesn't half make for a strong Championship, and they've done very well out of it as a result.

All the data comes from the latest UEFA Club Benchmarking Report for 2016: https://uefa.app.box.com/v/benchmarking

A serious mind scrambler this. Total information overload, but quite interesting in a lot of areas.

Page 14 shows that Celtic had the 8th highest aggregate attendance in Europe in 2016/17, Huns 13th. Second highest year on year increase after West Ham, who moved to a new stadium. Interesting that despite being 8th in aggregate attendance, we are not in the top 30 in terms of gate receipts (page 72).

Page 64 shows that Scottish TV revenue is about half of what it is in Denmark (19m v 35m euros), but that there has been some growth.
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Ah but I was so much older then,I'm younger than that now
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17 Jan 2018, 12:00 PM
IainG
17 Jan 2018, 11:24 AM
The Championship was the third most-watched league in European football during the 2016-17 season.

The Premier League tops the list with total attendances of more than 13m, with Germany's Bundesliga second.

England's second tier, with an total of more than 11m, ranks higher than Spain's La Liga, Italy's Serie A and France's Ligue 1.

I'm impressed. I really am considering some of the teams are just not very good.
That's what happens when you've got Newcastle, Villa, Leeds, Derby and Sheffield Wednesday in the second tier, and Bournemouth, Burnley, Swansea, Watford and Hull (last season) in the top flight. Pretty anomalous period for English football for that scenario to happen and has been the case for a while now. Nevertheless, it doesn't half make for a strong Championship, and they've done very well out of it as a result.

All the data comes from the latest UEFA Club Benchmarking Report for 2016: https://uefa.app.box.com/v/benchmarking

A serious mind scrambler this. Total information overload, but quite interesting in a lot of areas.

Page 14 shows that Celtic had the 8th highest aggregate attendance in Europe in 2016/17, Huns 13th. Second highest year on year increase after West Ham, who moved to a new stadium. Interesting that despite being 8th in aggregate attendance, we are not in the top 30 in terms of gate receipts (page 72).

Page 64 shows that Scottish TV revenue is about half of what it is in Denmark (19m v 35m euros), but that there has been some growth.
Aye I'll get round to reading most of the report eventually. A bit daunting! English league 1 is 9th in the attendance tables which I was surprised at.
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currently watching PSG v Dijon - 3 - 0 after 20 minutes - Dijon are Lique1 mid table - PSG are a joy to watch
4 -0 & not halftime yet
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Youngest son loves any sport and can watch any football match on TV. Was trying to explain that I only watch Celtic and find it difficult to retain the interest to watch any other football match for 90 minutes which he couldn't understand. The conversation developed into how football could be changed to make it more interesting to 'outsiders;. Covered all sorts of ideas from the sensible such as changing size of goals to the ridiculous like having 4 teams on pitch at same time. Other sports like cricket and rugby continue to evolve in an attempt to increase popularity whilst changes to football rules and format are few and far between likely because of it's popularity. Has anyone got any realistic suggestions as to how the game could be improved?
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joe_lead
17 Jan 2018, 09:50 PM
Youngest son loves any sport and can watch any football match on TV. Was trying to explain that I only watch Celtic and find it difficult to retain the interest to watch any other football match for 90 minutes which he couldn't understand. The conversation developed into how football could be changed to make it more interesting to 'outsiders;. Covered all sorts of ideas from the sensible such as changing size of goals to the ridiculous like having 4 teams on pitch at same time. Other sports like cricket and rugby continue to evolve in an attempt to increase popularity whilst changes to football rules and format are few and far between likely because of it's popularity. Has anyone got any realistic suggestions as to how the game could be improved?
throw ins - why? Why not a kick in?
Sheperding the ball out - deliberately obstructing your opponent without making any attempt to play the ball - should be a free kick.
4th official should keep time and have a stop watch that he puts on and off as the ball goes out of play / restarts game - 90 minutes should be 90 minutes
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joe_lead
17 Jan 2018, 09:50 PM
Youngest son loves any sport and can watch any football match on TV. Was trying to explain that I only watch Celtic and find it difficult to retain the interest to watch any other football match for 90 minutes which he couldn't understand. The conversation developed into how football could be changed to make it more interesting to 'outsiders;. Covered all sorts of ideas from the sensible such as changing size of goals to the ridiculous like having 4 teams on pitch at same time. Other sports like cricket and rugby continue to evolve in an attempt to increase popularity whilst changes to football rules and format are few and far between likely because of it's popularity. Has anyone got any realistic suggestions as to how the game could be improved?
Only way I would, would be to eliminate penalty shoot outs to end knock out games, or at the very least finals. Play 30 minutes of normal extra time, with each team able to use 3 more subs. Afterwards 15 minute periods of "golden goal" with all unused subs available to play. Would force teams to have go for a win, instead of just sitting back hoping for penalties. Other than that, there really isn't a whole lot that needs to be done in football. I'm like your son though, I can watch any game any time really. I would be just as happy sitting in with 60,000 at Celtic Park as I would be watching my local, low division university side here in the US playing in front of maybe 60 spectators.
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justinjest
17 Jan 2018, 10:30 PM
joe_lead
17 Jan 2018, 09:50 PM
Youngest son loves any sport and can watch any football match on TV. Was trying to explain that I only watch Celtic and find it difficult to retain the interest to watch any other football match for 90 minutes which he couldn't understand. The conversation developed into how football could be changed to make it more interesting to 'outsiders;. Covered all sorts of ideas from the sensible such as changing size of goals to the ridiculous like having 4 teams on pitch at same time. Other sports like cricket and rugby continue to evolve in an attempt to increase popularity whilst changes to football rules and format are few and far between likely because of it's popularity. Has anyone got any realistic suggestions as to how the game could be improved?
throw ins - why? Why not a kick in?
Sheperding the ball out - deliberately obstructing your opponent without making any attempt to play the ball - should be a free kick.
4th official should keep time and have a stop watch that he puts on and off as the ball goes out of play / restarts game - 90 minutes should be 90 minutes
If you're within touching distance of the ball, you're in possession and can obstruct to your heart's content. It's called shielding.
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justinjest
17 Jan 2018, 10:30 PM
joe_lead
17 Jan 2018, 09:50 PM
Youngest son loves any sport and can watch any football match on TV. Was trying to explain that I only watch Celtic and find it difficult to retain the interest to watch any other football match for 90 minutes which he couldn't understand. The conversation developed into how football could be changed to make it more interesting to 'outsiders;. Covered all sorts of ideas from the sensible such as changing size of goals to the ridiculous like having 4 teams on pitch at same time. Other sports like cricket and rugby continue to evolve in an attempt to increase popularity whilst changes to football rules and format are few and far between likely because of it's popularity. Has anyone got any realistic suggestions as to how the game could be improved?
throw ins - why? Why not a kick in?
Sheperding the ball out - deliberately obstructing your opponent without making any attempt to play the ball - should be a free kick.
4th official should keep time and have a stop watch that he puts on and off as the ball goes out of play / restarts game - 90 minutes should be 90 minutes
they tried kick ins in the early 90s, at the U-17 world cup. Nobody liked them, encouraged too many mindless long balls and made the game too "British". The time keeping thing is bad. They stop the clock constantly in American sports like American football, basketball, and ice hockey. The result is that a 60 minute football or hockey game takes 3 hours, a 48 minute basketball game takes 2 hours, etc. They do the time stop thing for goals, penalties, and injuries in US university soccer, and it sucks.
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barrybhoy
17 Jan 2018, 10:37 PM
justinjest
17 Jan 2018, 10:30 PM
joe_lead
17 Jan 2018, 09:50 PM
Youngest son loves any sport and can watch any football match on TV. Was trying to explain that I only watch Celtic and find it difficult to retain the interest to watch any other football match for 90 minutes which he couldn't understand. The conversation developed into how football could be changed to make it more interesting to 'outsiders;. Covered all sorts of ideas from the sensible such as changing size of goals to the ridiculous like having 4 teams on pitch at same time. Other sports like cricket and rugby continue to evolve in an attempt to increase popularity whilst changes to football rules and format are few and far between likely because of it's popularity. Has anyone got any realistic suggestions as to how the game could be improved?
throw ins - why? Why not a kick in?
Sheperding the ball out - deliberately obstructing your opponent without making any attempt to play the ball - should be a free kick.
4th official should keep time and have a stop watch that he puts on and off as the ball goes out of play / restarts game - 90 minutes should be 90 minutes
they tried kick ins in the early 90s, at the U-17 world cup. Nobody liked them, encouraged too many mindless long balls and made the game too "British". The time keeping thing is bad. They stop the clock constantly in American sports like American football, basketball, and ice hockey. The result is that a 60 minute football or hockey game takes 3 hours, a 48 minute basketball game takes 2 hours, etc. They do the time stop thing for goals, penalties, and injuries in US university soccer, and it sucks.
Agreed about the stopping the clock thing, you then head to American sport territory where there would be advert breaks for each stoppage and teams would learn to milk it to get longer breaks to rest etc. I think Americans originally had no draws as well and each game that ended in one had to have a shoot out.

I don't think much needs to be done to the game- maybe a salary cap to provide parity and stop the sugar daddy teams dominating. Not sure what level of fee or wages you would say is enough though? Not sure its possible though or that there is any will for it.
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Vinnie Bhoy
17 Jan 2018, 10:41 PM
barrybhoy
17 Jan 2018, 10:37 PM
justinjest
17 Jan 2018, 10:30 PM

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they tried kick ins in the early 90s, at the U-17 world cup. Nobody liked them, encouraged too many mindless long balls and made the game too "British". The time keeping thing is bad. They stop the clock constantly in American sports like American football, basketball, and ice hockey. The result is that a 60 minute football or hockey game takes 3 hours, a 48 minute basketball game takes 2 hours, etc. They do the time stop thing for goals, penalties, and injuries in US university soccer, and it sucks.
Agreed about the stopping the clock thing, you then head to American sport territory where there would be advert breaks for each stoppage and teams would learn to milk it to get longer breaks to rest etc. I think Americans originally had no draws as well and each game that ended in one had to have a shoot out.

I don't think much needs to be done to the game- maybe a salary cap to provide parity and stop the sugar daddy teams dominating. Not sure what level of fee or wages you would say is enough though? Not sure its possible though or that there is any will for it.
MLS started out with the running up shoot outs, where a player started 35 yards from goal and had 5 seconds to shoot. Dumb for ordinary league games, but imo, preferable to shots from the penalty spot for a knock out game.

For the salary cap etc. I would require teams to only use revenue from football activities to spent on the team, and to make the open their books. Fair enough if you make loads of money from TV, ticket sales, and merchandising/marketing. But people shouldn't be able to chuck their own money on a team or players just to soothe their egos.
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If a striker runs onto a pass just inside the opposition half and is immediately blown offside can he now run on another 40 yards and put the ball in the goal if he thinks it was the wrong call? Will the existence of VAR mean that he no longer gets booked for doing that?
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17 Jan 2018, 10:32 PM
justinjest
17 Jan 2018, 10:30 PM
joe_lead
17 Jan 2018, 09:50 PM
Youngest son loves any sport and can watch any football match on TV. Was trying to explain that I only watch Celtic and find it difficult to retain the interest to watch any other football match for 90 minutes which he couldn't understand. The conversation developed into how football could be changed to make it more interesting to 'outsiders;. Covered all sorts of ideas from the sensible such as changing size of goals to the ridiculous like having 4 teams on pitch at same time. Other sports like cricket and rugby continue to evolve in an attempt to increase popularity whilst changes to football rules and format are few and far between likely because of it's popularity. Has anyone got any realistic suggestions as to how the game could be improved?
throw ins - why? Why not a kick in?
Sheperding the ball out - deliberately obstructing your opponent without making any attempt to play the ball - should be a free kick.
4th official should keep time and have a stop watch that he puts on and off as the ball goes out of play / restarts game - 90 minutes should be 90 minutes
If you're within touching distance of the ball, you're in possession and can obstruct to your heart's content. It's called shielding.
I know what it is, I do it / have done it often enough - it's still wrong though.
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Watch this tribute to Laurie Cunningham to the end: <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">"Hi Peter, can you just give us a nice touching tribute on what Laurie Cunningham meant to you please"<br><br>"Sure, no worries..." <a href="https://t.co/AWNX4h0Jvd">pic.twitter.com/AWNX4h0Jvd</a></p>— Jim Daly (@jimdalycomedy) <a href="https://twitter.com/jimdalycomedy/status/953731785015341067?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 17, 2018</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> [/class=tweet].
Edited by Roland, 18 Jan 2018, 10:36 AM.
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IainG
17 Jan 2018, 11:43 AM
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17 Jan 2018, 11:34 AM
IainG
17 Jan 2018, 11:24 AM
The Championship was the third most-watched league in European football during the 2016-17 season.

The Premier League tops the list with total attendances of more than 13m, with Germany's Bundesliga second.

England's second tier, with an total of more than 11m, ranks higher than Spain's La Liga, Italy's Serie A and France's Ligue 1.

I'm impressed. I really am considering some of the teams are just not very good.
That's the power of marketing for you. Although the fact that they play something like 44 league games a season in the English "Championship" probably helps too.

From what was presumably the same set of statistics, I noticed yesterday that Scotland has the highest percentage of its population attending games in all of Europe.
I'm not sure if it's in this report. Haven't got round to readin git all yet.
https://uefa.app.box.com/v/benchmarking

This also.....

For the first time in European football, 11 clubs have reported aggregate league attendances of over one million.
West Ham, Celtic and Liverpool have now surpassed the one million mark, joining Man Utd, Arsenal and Man City in the top 11.

Like stuff like this in a geeky way. Not read all of it but some interesting stuff. Surprised out of the clubs with the most online traffic we have the highest percent through mobile as opposed to desktop. No idea what it means but probably useful to someone at the club :lol:
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17 Jan 2018, 10:49 PM
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17 Jan 2018, 10:37 PM

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Agreed about the stopping the clock thing, you then head to American sport territory where there would be advert breaks for each stoppage and teams would learn to milk it to get longer breaks to rest etc. I think Americans originally had no draws as well and each game that ended in one had to have a shoot out.

I don't think much needs to be done to the game- maybe a salary cap to provide parity and stop the sugar daddy teams dominating. Not sure what level of fee or wages you would say is enough though? Not sure its possible though or that there is any will for it.
MLS started out with the running up shoot outs, where a player started 35 yards from goal and had 5 seconds to shoot. Dumb for ordinary league games, but imo, preferable to shots from the penalty spot for a knock out game.

For the salary cap etc. I would require teams to only use revenue from football activities to spent on the team, and to make the open their books. Fair enough if you make loads of money from TV, ticket sales, and merchandising/marketing. But people shouldn't be able to chuck their own money on a team or players just to soothe their egos.
You'll then just get these guys paying ridiculous money to sponsor the team bus or training gear.
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18 Jan 2018, 10:34 AM
Watch this tribute to Laurie Cunningham to the end: <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">"Hi Peter, can you just give us a nice touching tribute on what Laurie Cunningham meant to you please"<br><br>"Sure, no worries..." <a href="https://t.co/AWNX4h0Jvd">pic.twitter.com/AWNX4h0Jvd</a></p>— Jim Daly (@jimdalycomedy) <a href="https://twitter.com/jimdalycomedy/status/953731785015341067?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 17, 2018</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> [/class=tweet].
:lol:

Seen it on twitter earlier but didn’t get chance to watch it. You just know Reid thinks that’s a really nice story about the pair of them too.
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Watch this tribute to Laurie Cunningham to the end: <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">"Hi Peter, can you just give us a nice touching tribute on what Laurie Cunningham meant to you please"<br><br>"Sure, no worries..." <a href="https://t.co/AWNX4h0Jvd">pic.twitter.com/AWNX4h0Jvd</a></p>— Jim Daly (@jimdalycomedy) <a href="https://twitter.com/jimdalycomedy/status/953731785015341067?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 17, 2018</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> [/class=tweet].
:lol:

Seen it on twitter earlier but didn’t get chance to watch it. You just know Reid thinks that’s a really nice story about the pair of them too.
What's the joke? :ponder:

I read it as Reid explaining how parochial and insulated he was and how cultured Cunningham was at the time.
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18 Jan 2018, 10:51 PM
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18 Jan 2018, 10:34 AM
Watch this tribute to Laurie Cunningham to the end: <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">"Hi Peter, can you just give us a nice touching tribute on what Laurie Cunningham meant to you please"<br><br>"Sure, no worries..." <a href="https://t.co/AWNX4h0Jvd">pic.twitter.com/AWNX4h0Jvd</a></p>— Jim Daly (@jimdalycomedy) <a href="https://twitter.com/jimdalycomedy/status/953731785015341067?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 17, 2018</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> [/class=tweet].
:lol:

Seen it on twitter earlier but didn’t get chance to watch it. You just know Reid thinks that’s a really nice story about the pair of them too.
What's the joke? :ponder:

I read it as Reid explaining how parochial and insulated he was and how cultured Cunningham was at the time.
Aye, I think that is what Reid is doing, maybe also trying to show how generous Cunningham was as well. It’s quite a bizarre story to tell in that circumstance though - a bit surreal(I think that’s the right word) I thought.
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