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The "Where should I put this?" Thread;; Strange stories from the crazy world of football.
Topic Started: 25 Sep 2012, 05:56 PM (237,995 Views)
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VBI
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Again, it's about looking at all the possible options. The only ways we are ever going to get a "better" league here, and therefore more sponsors/tv money, which leads to more fans, then even more sponsors, and so on and so on, are :
Having a more competitive league (which means teams who can win it, not just fulfil fixture lists)
Getting a better quality of player in the league.

These things have to be done as an uphill battle due to already having a much bigger, stronger, richer league right next door, which is already hoovering up our kids both as talents and particularly as supporters. When I was in school, everyone supported us or the huns, except for like 4 people due to family reasons, supporting Killie or Aberdeen. Now, tons of kids cut about Glasgow more interested in Chelsea and Arsenal than anything happening up here.

All options should be analysed, I think. Someone said a playoff may just have a grand final of us vs huns 9/10 times. Well, we'd currently have it as 10/10 times historically, so that would still be an improvement. A Leicester story will never happen up here. Ever.

I said it'd likely be a Celtic v Sevco final 9/10 times. The other would be a Celtic v Aberdeen/Hibs/Other final, and we'd still win.

The point is, year after year Celtic, Sevco, probably Aberdeen and one other would qualify for the play offs. On the odd occasion a plucky lightweight like Motherwell grabs fourth spot the extent of the mismatch would mean there is no point in actually watching the second leg.

One of the current problems with the play offs to the Scottish Premiership is that you've got 10 Championship clubs playing each other four times a season, and then the fourth place team faces a further two games against the team who finished third and possibly second. These teams may also face one another in League Cup, Scottish Cup or Challenge Cup in any given season. Far too repetitive, despite end of season promotion play offs being a good thing.

So play a 38 game league season where you play Aberdeen 4 times, then play them in a play off tie home and away, having maybe played them in the Scottish Cup, all for the right to have a final (and fifth game) against a Sevco team (who you've also beaten in the League Cup), who finished 20 points behind, for the right to determine who is the best team in Scotland.

This appears to be the reason why the Scottish Cup is still played for at the very end of the footballing season. And the Scottish Cup being as it is means you stand a far greater chance of... not Celtic winning silverware. The Scottish Cup would be absolutely drowned out by a Grand Final happening basically the week before or after, so you'd arguably be taking the shine off the achievement that tends to come with the real prospect of an upset, as we've seen in recent seasons with ICT, St Johnstone, Hibs.
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Forza
31 Oct 2017, 02:24 PM



One of the current problems with the play offs to the Scottish Premiership is that you've got 10 Championship clubs playing each other four times a season, and then the fourth place team faces a further two games against the team who finished third and possibly second. These teams may also face one another in League Cup, Scottish Cup or Challenge Cup in any given season. Far too repetitive, despite end of season promotion play offs being a good thing.

So play a 38 game league season where you play Aberdeen 4 times, then play them in a play off tie home and away, having maybe played them in the Scottish Cup, all for the right to have a final (and fifth game) against a Sevco team (who you've also beaten in the League Cup), who finished 20 points behind, for the right to determine who is the best team in Scotland.

This appears to be the reason why the Scottish Cup is still played for at the very end of the footballing season. And the Scottish Cup being as it is means you stand a far greater chance of... not Celtic winning silverware. The Scottish Cup would be absolutely drowned out by a Grand Final happening basically the week before or after, so you'd arguably be taking the shine off the achievement that tends to come with the real prospect of an upset, as we've seen in recent seasons with ICT, St Johnstone, Hibs.
The change could address the number of games played against each other also. We could go to 18 team league play home and away (34 games) then from that break off for playoffs . And nothing to stop Scottish cup final being earlier. You have to get out of mindset of current set up. There is no perfect solution including keeping it as it is . I would like to see a change just not sure what to and definitely after we have hit 10 :)
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31 Oct 2017, 02:43 PM
Forza
31 Oct 2017, 02:24 PM



One of the current problems with the play offs to the Scottish Premiership is that you've got 10 Championship clubs playing each other four times a season, and then the fourth place team faces a further two games against the team who finished third and possibly second. These teams may also face one another in League Cup, Scottish Cup or Challenge Cup in any given season. Far too repetitive, despite end of season promotion play offs being a good thing.

So play a 38 game league season where you play Aberdeen 4 times, then play them in a play off tie home and away, having maybe played them in the Scottish Cup, all for the right to have a final (and fifth game) against a Sevco team (who you've also beaten in the League Cup), who finished 20 points behind, for the right to determine who is the best team in Scotland.

This appears to be the reason why the Scottish Cup is still played for at the very end of the footballing season. And the Scottish Cup being as it is means you stand a far greater chance of... not Celtic winning silverware. The Scottish Cup would be absolutely drowned out by a Grand Final happening basically the week before or after, so you'd arguably be taking the shine off the achievement that tends to come with the real prospect of an upset, as we've seen in recent seasons with ICT, St Johnstone, Hibs.
The change could address the number of games played against each other also. We could go to 18 team league play home and away (34 games) then from that break off for playoffs . And nothing to stop Scottish cup final being earlier. You have to get out of mindset of current set up. There is no perfect solution including keeping it as it is . I would like to see a change just not sure what to and definitely after we have hit 10 :)
I think the Scottish Cup Final being played at the end of May to finish the football season is one of the few scheduling traditions that actually works. Not sure it would have the same resonance in February or March.

Not sure the Challenge Cup has ever been the same in rugby league ever since they moved to a summer season and introduced play offs and a Grand Final.

I understand that when you have a regular season followed by play offs, the whole point is normally to limit the the former as much as possible in favour prolonging the latter. It doesn't do much for the clubs that don't make the play offs though. Presumably the majority of them are lying idle at the end of every season unless they are involved in a relegation play off. So that's less games total, less home games and and less visits from Celtic and the other lot.

For a lot of clubs, this would probably look like a device that means that Celtic, Sevco, Aberdeen and one other get to play in some big games at the end of most seasons, and disproportionately share the money and exposure that comes with it. I don't necessarily see how that helps any of the SPFL's backmarkers.
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Swedish side Dalkurd FF founded by Kurdish immigrants in 2004 have taken the the Swedish division by storm

From playing in division 6 in 2006 (the 7th tier) they clinched promotion to the best Swedish division (Allsvenkan) on Saturday with a 1-0 win

They have a decent 1.5 million followers on Facebook

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31 Oct 2017, 07:26 PM
Swedish side Dalkurd FF founded by Kurdish immigrants in 2004 have taken the the Swedish division by storm

From playing in division 6 in 2006 (the 7th tier) they clinched promotion to the best Swedish division (Allsvenkan) on Saturday with a 1-0 win

They have a decent 1.5 million followers on Facebook

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:thumbsup: Good on them.
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Forza
31 Oct 2017, 12:30 PM
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31 Oct 2017, 12:09 PM
ronny_is_not_da_man
31 Oct 2017, 12:00 PM
If they want to change things then they need to start marketing the game better and looking at getting as much money into the game as possible.
Barry Hearn said much the same thing three years ago at a presentation at Hampden.

Needless to say eff all has happened since.
If the SPFL were serious about marketing the professional game properly in Scotland, they would not have invited Barry Hearn. The head of Marketing for the MLS maybe, but not Barry Hearn.

Him and his sport are the equivalent of the Daily Star: bang out scantily clad burdz on the arms of middle aged fat blokes throwing darts, adorn them with outlandish nicknames, garments and entry sequences. Layover an OTT commentary that makes you think you are watching the pinnacle of sporting endeavour and not just a 50 year old bloke throwing a dart at a board. And make sure those watching get plenty watered down lager and screen time, letting the dullards drone away to the same tune 50 times a night during the "spectacle", as they hold up their witty placards.

He recognised darts was an amateur "sport" played in dark, smoky rooms by mulleted men. He turned the lights on, pushed the volume up, sold it to Sky and made it all "professional".

Marketing genius right enough.
Why only focus on Darts in regard to Hearn?

Matchroom are probably the biggest promoters in Boxing. The money they generate is incredible.
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31 Oct 2017, 02:01 PM
The only ways we are ever going to get a "better" league here, and therefore more sponsors/tv money, which leads to more fans, then even more sponsors, and so on and so on
Is that really how it works? More sponsors and TV money results in more fans?
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I was just rereading all the old articles written about the introduction of a league play-off around the time Rangers* won nine in a row. I was curious to see if...


Oh no wait. I wasn't, because it was fine when they did it.
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31 Oct 2017, 07:48 PM
DKB
31 Oct 2017, 07:26 PM
Swedish side Dalkurd FF founded by Kurdish immigrants in 2004 have taken the the Swedish division by storm

From playing in division 6 in 2006 (the 7th tier) they clinched promotion to the best Swedish division (Allsvenkan) on Saturday with a 1-0 win

They have a decent 1.5 million followers on Facebook

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:thumbsup: Good on them.
Decent? Celtic has 1.6m.

Arsenal has 37m. Man Utd has 71m. Barca has 100m.
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Shuggie Edvaldsson
31 Oct 2017, 09:49 PM
In The Heat of Lisbon
31 Oct 2017, 07:48 PM
DKB
31 Oct 2017, 07:26 PM
Swedish side Dalkurd FF founded by Kurdish immigrants in 2004 have taken the the Swedish division by storm

From playing in division 6 in 2006 (the 7th tier) they clinched promotion to the best Swedish division (Allsvenkan) on Saturday with a 1-0 win

They have a decent 1.5 million followers on Facebook

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:thumbsup: Good on them.
Decent? Celtic has 1.6m.

Arsenal has 37m. Man Utd has 71m. Barca has 100m.
Those figures are incredible, what is the marketing department doing about that?
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31 Oct 2017, 09:49 PM
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Decent? Celtic has 1.6m.

Arsenal has 37m. Man Utd has 71m. Barca has 100m.
Those figures are incredible, what is the marketing department doing about that?
Everyone in Asia is never off Facebook so it makes sense that Man U, Arsenal etc have massive Facebook followings.

Why do you think Barca signed Paulinho straight after Neymar left?
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Those figures are incredible, what is the marketing department doing about that?
Everyone in Asia is never off Facebook so it makes sense that Man U, Arsenal etc have massive Facebook followings.

Why do you think Barca signed Paulinho straight after Neymar left?
To get more Facebook likes?
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Stefano Salvatori RIP

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/41828908

49 ffs.
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1 Nov 2017, 02:08 PM
That's awful news, remember him well.
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Seen on Twitter than Mince from Celtic Minded has died, sad news.
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Seen on Twitter than Mince from Celtic Minded has died, sad news.
eff sake. :(
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ffs :(

He was a bit of a figure of fun on here at times with his Ł10 membership fee and his insistence that we were going to sign Torres that one time, but he was a pretty big player in the Timternet.
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He can't have been old , ffs :(
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VAR is effin useless. Sounders denied a clear penalty because the ref wouldbt change his mind. Sometimes it doesnt even work.

Bundesliga having issues with it too.
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Patrice Evra sent off before match begins for kicking out at Marseille supporter
• Marseille player appeared to kick fan in head before Europa League tie
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/nov/02/patrice-evra-sent-off-kicking-fan-marseille
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