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| The "Where should I put this?" Thread;; Strange stories from the crazy world of football. | |
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| VBI | 31 Oct 2017, 10:31 AM Post #7561 |
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First-team starter
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I happily admit I have no problem with a play-off system. After we have won 10 in a row, of course. It's infinitely better to have more teams capable of winning the title, than just padding the league out with more dross, that won't improve anything. Changing the colour of the strips for most of the muck teams we beat won't do anything, but Hibs and Aberdeen and Hearts having a real chance of winning titles would. South American football not only had play-offs all over the continent for decades, but pretty much all of their leagues shampoo all over ours in terms of strength, btw. It's not automatic, but it's something worth investigating. |
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| echo | 31 Oct 2017, 10:34 AM Post #7562 |
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Heart Of Saturday Afternoon
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So would the team that wins the "play offs" get the CL place? |
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| kevtic | 31 Oct 2017, 10:51 AM Post #7563 |
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Jam back on.
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Maybe old school but the best team in the league should 'win' the league. Breaking it down into a cup competition where the 4th best team in Scotland could win the league is just farcical and sinister in my opinion. Celtic are where they are today by good financial management and the death of their closest rivals who died in the pursuit of Celtic. Celtic are now reaping the rewards for a long term strategy that started back when Fergus took over. Jealously is a terrible thing. |
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| fatboab | 31 Oct 2017, 10:53 AM Post #7564 |
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Just before the Dawn
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they changed the system once before when we were unstoppable. Times may change, but the jealousies in Scottish Football stay the same. What's the point of a League if the winners aren't rewarded? It'll be interesting to see how much support this gains form elsewhere in Scotland. We are prepared for a long fight over this.
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| Joe the Baker | 31 Oct 2017, 10:57 AM Post #7565 |
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It feels like yesterday... I wish it was tomorrow.
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Last season the 4th placed team was St Johnstone with 58 points, we finished 48 points ahead of them. But you'd have no problem with St Johnstone being crowned champions ? |
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| Forza | 31 Oct 2017, 11:14 AM Post #7566 |
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Considering retirement
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There's nothing wrong in trying to open the SPFL up to more competition, but this is just an attempt to create more winners over a short series, knowing that who wins is less predictable/inevitable in a knock out format. It's also seen as a means of increasing TV audience, although that's debatable. Play offs can be unpredictable and can work in a sporting system where you have many evenly matched clubs. Whether that be through salary caps, luxury taxes, draft systems etc, and the fact that the best players who are under contract can't simply just move to the highest bidder, as happens in European football. So it works in the NFL/MLB/NBA because the level of competition is very high, and you routinely end up with a variety of clubs getting to the play offs over a five or ten year period. So even if the Pats get to the NFL play offs pretty much every year, and the Yankees normally end up in the MLB post season, there's never any guarantee that the same clubs will join them. English rugby league is a good comparator to the SPFL. Its the same teams every year. Leeds, St Helens, Wigan. Not so sure anyone remembers the fact that Castleford "won" the League, because Leeds won the Grand Final. Although in the SPFL, it will be even worse. Think about that in a Scottish context. Celtic getting to the "play-offs" would happen literally every year. Where's the drama in that? Sevco, Aberdeen are other probable shoo ins. That would make plenty of games at the tail end of a league season really tedious year on year. We then end up having to beat Hibs or Motherwell in a two legged play off semi final to play in a "Grand Final" v Sevco, nine years out of ten? That will get really boring, really quickly. Isn't that sort of unpredictability what national cup competitions are for? Edited by Forza, 31 Oct 2017, 11:16 AM.
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| Arsene Parcelie | 31 Oct 2017, 11:18 AM Post #7567 |
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¡ǝʞɐxnɟɹnɟ ɥo
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The way things are just now, Celtic would win any type of competition. Unless the financial disparity is sorted out (by accident or design), that won't change and the longer this goes on, the further apart the gap between Celtic and the rest will grow. The only way the gap will close is either a) Celtic take their eye off the ball because it's too "easy", and b) some other club get some sort of financial, long term, windfall that their custodians don't squander. Look around the leagues of Europe and you'll see there are very few clubs with a financial disadvantage can make much of a mark on the moneyed clubs apart from the odd one-off game where the big club isn't on form on a particular day. As time goes on, the gaps will get wider. We are in the third European tier, and unless something changes very soon, the gap between us and the 2nd tier will be as big as it is between us and the 1st tier just now. Having said all that, there is another scenario and one that is hitting other sports hard. People are fed up and pissed off at the price of spectating, and also participation. Eventually the big money will run dry up, but it will take a paying punter protest to initiate the slide. SKY viewing figure evidence shows that it might be starting. |
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| Larbertbhoy | 31 Oct 2017, 11:26 AM Post #7568 |
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Everyone's Fantasy Football first pick
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It’s a total nonsense idea. Celtic would be treading water from about March onwards as our position of top four would be assured by then. Rod Petrie is a blazer wearing, let’s move on ball sack of the highest Order. |
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| brianlara67 | 31 Oct 2017, 11:40 AM Post #7569 |
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Getting on a bit
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Call me old fashioned but the clue is in the title. It's a LEAGUE! I view the play off system they use in Rugby with absolute horror. It's an absolute disgrace that a team that has played everyone home and away and has accumulated the most points has to then go into a play off - a lottery where literally anything can happen in knock out completion. That's why we have knock out cup competitions in ADDITION to leagues. On a purely Scottish football angle - imagine the amount of "honest mistakes" we could endure in these knock out games. It would be off the scale. As BR said after that His penalty. This is knockout football with no replay, no second chance. At the moment over 38 league games the effect of honest mistakes can be mitred over those 38 games. But in a two legged game (or a one game final....) there is no comeback. We could win the league by 30 points and lose to a dodgy penalty in a play off final. Madness. |
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| Bhoyball | 31 Oct 2017, 11:41 AM Post #7570 |
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No trouble with trebles.
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It's over 30 years since someone else won the league. Do we really want to go on forever with just two possible winners.? Something has to be done. The playoff system does give others a much better chance . Maybe they could introduce it for a side trophy and not for European qualification. |
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| Joe the Baker | 31 Oct 2017, 11:45 AM Post #7571 |
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We already have two of those, The League Cup and The Scottish Cup. |
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| Fly Pelican | 31 Oct 2017, 11:46 AM Post #7572 |
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The nascent 45
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I'm quite happy to go on forever with just one possible winner thank you very much. If I eat my greens I may just cling on for 50IAR
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| Rosco67 | 31 Oct 2017, 11:46 AM Post #7573 |
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We're here to eff shampoo up!
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If somebody wants the crown they can bloody well earn it like Leicester did in the EPL. Consistency. Winning the league on the back of 3/4 good cup final like results is a nonsense. |
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| Bodom Bhoy | 31 Oct 2017, 11:47 AM Post #7574 |
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Imagine the honest mistakes in a Celtic/huns play off for CL entry
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| echo | 31 Oct 2017, 11:50 AM Post #7575 |
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I wonder who they would get to ref that one with 30m at stake.
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| Bhoyball | 31 Oct 2017, 11:53 AM Post #7576 |
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No trouble with trebles.
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We are talking about change here. Everything should be on the table. Don't get me wrong i don't think it is the solution but i also see the need for a change. I think we need to try something if it turns out to be crap then try something else. |
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| ronny_is_not_da_man | 31 Oct 2017, 11:56 AM Post #7577 |
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Off treasure hunting in Holland
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Anyone who would be happy with a play off system is a nutjob of the highest order ![]() What if we finish 30 points clear of 2nd. 40 of 3rd and 50 of 4th but get crippled by injuries before the play offs start? Pishflaps to that. The team who finishes first in a league campaign is the deserved winner (unless they cheated to win it). |
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| Bhoyball | 31 Oct 2017, 11:56 AM Post #7578 |
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No trouble with trebles.
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The interest in Scottish football and so the well being would shoot up if someone outside us were to win. The game up here will die if we win 50iar |
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| Joe the Baker | 31 Oct 2017, 11:56 AM Post #7579 |
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It feels like yesterday... I wish it was tomorrow.
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Why is there such a desperate need for a change now ? Oh, that's right. Because Celtic are dominating Scottish football. Can't have that can we. Let's sort these uppity bastards out. |
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| modest mouse | 31 Oct 2017, 11:57 AM Post #7580 |
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Retired and now a BT Sports pundit
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How can the president of the SFA introduce a play off to decide the winner of the SPFL? That's for the SPFL to decide. |
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