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The "Where should I put this?" Thread;; Strange stories from the crazy world of football.
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Topic Started: 25 Sep 2012, 05:56 PM (238,096 Views)
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tonyjaa-csc
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14 Dec 2016, 06:25 PM
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- Forza
- 14 Dec 2016, 06:07 PM
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- 14 Dec 2016, 05:51 PM
Where's all the intricate analysis of this Mackay appointment?
U know the same folk who dissected Cathro ahead of his first game v sevco last week?
Not sure there is anything stopping you adding any if you wish? At a guess, I'd think there's probably less understanding generally of what a Performance Director for the SFA actually does compared to what's involved in being the Head Coach of Hearts. So maybe people feel more confident taking a view about one and not the other. Its the fellows in the SMSM I was referring to
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14 Dec 2016, 06:32 PM
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- tonyjaa-csc
- 14 Dec 2016, 06:25 PM
- Forza
- 14 Dec 2016, 06:07 PM
- tonyjaa-csc
- 14 Dec 2016, 05:51 PM
Where's all the intricate analysis of this Mackay appointment?
U know the same folk who dissected Cathro ahead of his first game v sevco last week?
Not sure there is anything stopping you adding any if you wish? At a guess, I'd think there's probably less understanding generally of what a Performance Director for the SFA actually does compared to what's involved in being the Head Coach of Hearts. So maybe people feel more confident taking a view about one and not the other.
Its the fellows in the SMSM I was referring to The ever more angry Euan Murray has already spewed his ring about this appointment in the Guardian, while bigging up Cathro in the process.
To save you having to go reading it, it's basically: Hearts = visionaries, SFA = dinosaurs.
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14 Dec 2016, 08:21 PM
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Ref in the World Club Championship used video tech to award a penalty. First time its been used in a competitive game I think.
Link in portuguese with video of ref checking the video and awarding the penalty.
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15 Dec 2016, 08:26 AM
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Surely not? We are trying to encourage grass roots football, egt the youngsters off the couch and out onto the park, why would they if they are not being paid a decent wage?
SPFL lawyers tell clubs players must go on ZERO HOUR contracts to avoid government pay levels SPFL advised by their lawyers to ask Scottish government to exclude football from living wage regulations.
Spoiler: click to toggle BYGARY RALSTON The SPFL are running so scared of national minimum wage legislation their lawyers have advised signing players on zero hours contracts. A Record Sport investigation has revealed the despised deals are among a raft of controversial suggestions made to combat the growing issue of illegal pay levels in Scottish football. The SPFL have even been advised by their lawyers, Harper Macleod, to consider a request to the Scottish government to exclude football from living wage regulations, which guarantees workers aged 25 and over at least £7.20 an hour. However, that scandalous suggestion has been slammed by SNP MSP James Dornan, who accused the SPFL of “arrogance” in believing it can operate outside the law. Over the last 18 months, Record Sport has reported on increasing concerns over the failure of clubs to pay national minimum wage after St Mirren handed a young professional, Kieran Doran, a £1-a-week contract and Falkirk midfielder Will Vaulks agreed a deal that netted him just £4.33 a month. Tomorrow, we will name and shame more clubs in a move that will put SPFL chief executive Neil Doncaster on the back foot amid claims he is not on top of his brief. Our report comes a week before parliament debates the issue, now part of a long running petition first put forward by grassroots campaigners Willie Smith and Scott Robertson in 2010. Dornan said: “At a time when society is trying to move away from zero hours contracts it is completely unacceptable for the SPFL to propose them for discussion in the Scottish game. “The suggestions clubs be excluded from living wage legislation only highlights the arrogance of the mindset of the football authorities. It is ridiculous to believe it would even be considered.” Grassroots campaigner Smith added: “Neil Doncaster wrote to us in September and told us he was unaware of any SPFL member club which pays its players less than the relevant minimum wage. “It’s clear he doesn’t even know what’s going on under his own roof. Even a cursory glance at the contracts his clubs are offering players would expose the scandal of the failure to pay national minimum wage. “The document from Harper Macleod is a panic cry from an organisation in the SPFL that is unwilling, or unable, to govern on an issue of growing concern.” An SPFL spokesman said: “All companies in the UK, including SPFL clubs, are bound by minimum wage legislation.” An HMRC spokesman added: “HMRC continues to crack down on employers who ignore the law, ensuring that their employees receive the wages they are entitled to.” http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/spfl-lawyers-tell-clubs-players-9459186
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15 Dec 2016, 02:05 PM
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Rio Ferdinand has donated £500,000 of toys to charity for kids Christmas.
Great gesture, always like the big guy.
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15 Dec 2016, 08:16 PM
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Rio Ferdinand has donated £500,000 of toys to charity for kids Christmas.
Great gesture, always like the big guy. what a man. Absolutely brilliant. Lots of players should follow his example.
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16 Dec 2016, 01:53 AM
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Scottish Premiership winners will soon face FOUR Champions League qualifiers before groups
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16 Dec 2016, 09:48 AM
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Tragic but uplifting story of a 5 year old Sunderland fan
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/38336070
And another great football tale regarding San Lorenzo in Argentina
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6ZMflR39R8
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16 Dec 2016, 10:01 AM
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Turf them out of Hampden now! Oh, wait that would leave the national stadium empty, if only there was another club that could use it.
Queen’s Park break 150 years of amateur tradition and now face HMRC crackdown The Spiders now have players on contracts and break minimum wage regulations – with Dundee and Stirling Albion are also in the dock.
Spoiler: click to toggle BYGARY RALSTON The grand amateurs of Scottish football could face an HMRC crackdown after handing out £1-a-week professional deals to players. Record Sport have seen contracts that show Queen’s Park have ended almost 150 years of tradition and are in blatant breach of national minimum wage regulations. We have been investigating the failure of the SPFL and its clubs to tackle low pay legislation and can reveal the Spiders are riding roughshod over their own heritage by offering the illegal, peppercorn salaries. Dundee and Stirling Albion are also in the dock while concern has also been raised at unpaid hours worked by young professionals at two other non-Premiership clubs. Queen’s Park, motto ‘to play for the sake of playing’, were formed in 1867, the oldest club in Scottish football, and there is dismay at their decision to break with their amateur traditions. However their failure to pay the going rate, currently £7.20 an hour for players aged over 25, could potentially cost them tens of thousands in back pay to players this season alone. SNP MSP James Dornan, whose Cathcart constituency covers Hampden, expressed his concern as Holyrood prepares to debate the issue of good governance across the national game next week. He said: “I’m more disappointed than anything else. Queen’s Park have prided themselves for more than a century on being the standard bearers and have stood for everything that is good about the game. Something has clearly gone wrong with the ethos of that club. “Not only have they abandoned their laudable principles but they have only added to the controversy by offering contracts in such a miserly and illegal fashion. “The SPFL and SFA should ensure these contracts are completed legally and appropriately and if not they should be handed back to be amended in line with the law. “HMRC are taking the issue of football very seriously and the under payment of players is on their agenda. Clubs should be aware.” Queen’s Park have defended their position and say they have signed players on professional deals for many years to ease their move to the amateur club from other senior Scottish outfits. General manager Christine Wright said: “Many of our players come to us from professional clubs so we put them on professional contracts of £1-a-week, in lieu of expenses. HMRC have looked into this and are comfortable with what we’re doing.” However, she admitted there has been no dialogue with HMRC on the issue for at least the eight years she has been with the club. Asked if the contracts would stand legal scrutiny, she added: “I can’t answer that. I’m not a lawyer.” Queen’s Park players sign standard SPFL contracts, which make no reference to their weekly wage being paid “in lieu of expenses”. Fraser Wishart, chief executive of PFA Scotland, reckons the Queen’s Park argument cuts little ice legally. He said: “When a player signs a professional deal it’s on a standard, SPFL contract. Any renumeration listed within brings it under the jurisdiction of minimum wage legislation.” Queen’s Park players, who are all part-time, train twice a week and work, on average, nine hours when matches are played at home. On the road, especially to more far flung destinations such as Peterhead, their working week can rise up to 17 hours. Under national minimum wage legislation, a player aged 25 or over would be entitled to between £65 and £140-a-week and back pay would soon mount up if a disgruntled employee was successful in arguing his case with HMRC. Queen’s Park have become a fertile breeding ground for young talent again in recent seasons and have developed players such as Scotland star Andy Robertson, Dundee United midfielder Blair Spittal and Aberdeen frontman Lawrence Shankland. Dundee United took Robertson as an amateur from Hampden, but generously gifted Queen’s Park a 10 per cent sell-on clause which netted the League One clubs £280,000 when he moved to Hull City. Queen’s Park retain the right to compensation and transfer fees when players are signed on professional contracts and can also dictate when they move from the club. As amateurs, players needed only give 28 days’ notice. Campaigner Willie Smith launched the petition aimed at overhauling many of Scottish football’s structures in 2010 and it is already the longest running in the history of the parliament. He said: “Such is the degree of mismanagement and exploitation the petition is far from finished. Football clubs and their member authorities in Scotland are out of control. If clubs can’t afford to pay minimum wage they should lose their professional status and become wholly amateur.” The SPFL have defended their governance of national minimum wage legislation, which Scottish clubs must respect by law and which is also enshrined in an autonomous agreement between the SFA, through UEFA, and world players’ union Fifpro. A spokesman for the SPFL said: “There are significant financial pressures on many clubs, especially those in the lower divisions who are currently part-time. Whilst increases in the national minimum wage have undoubtedly been challenging for a number of our smaller clubs, it is a legal requirement that all clubs fully comply with national minimum wage regulations. “All of our clubs have been reminded of their obligations under the legislation and are aware of these requirements. “The SPFL offers a free service to any professional player who considers that they have not been paid the minimum wage by their club.” http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/queens-park-break-150-years-9465208
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16 Dec 2016, 10:24 AM
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Turf them out of Hampden now! Oh, wait that would leave the national stadium empty, if only there was another club that could use it. Queen’s Park break 150 years of amateur tradition and now face HMRC crackdownThe Spiders now have players on contracts and break minimum wage regulations – with Dundee and Stirling Albion are also in the dock. Spoiler: click to toggle BYGARY RALSTON The grand amateurs of Scottish football could face an HMRC crackdown after handing out £1-a-week professional deals to players. Record Sport have seen contracts that show Queen’s Park have ended almost 150 years of tradition and are in blatant breach of national minimum wage regulations. We have been investigating the failure of the SPFL and its clubs to tackle low pay legislation and can reveal the Spiders are riding roughshod over their own heritage by offering the illegal, peppercorn salaries. Dundee and Stirling Albion are also in the dock while concern has also been raised at unpaid hours worked by young professionals at two other non-Premiership clubs. Queen’s Park, motto ‘to play for the sake of playing’, were formed in 1867, the oldest club in Scottish football, and there is dismay at their decision to break with their amateur traditions. However their failure to pay the going rate, currently £7.20 an hour for players aged over 25, could potentially cost them tens of thousands in back pay to players this season alone. SNP MSP James Dornan, whose Cathcart constituency covers Hampden, expressed his concern as Holyrood prepares to debate the issue of good governance across the national game next week. He said: “I’m more disappointed than anything else. Queen’s Park have prided themselves for more than a century on being the standard bearers and have stood for everything that is good about the game. Something has clearly gone wrong with the ethos of that club. “Not only have they abandoned their laudable principles but they have only added to the controversy by offering contracts in such a miserly and illegal fashion. “The SPFL and SFA should ensure these contracts are completed legally and appropriately and if not they should be handed back to be amended in line with the law. “HMRC are taking the issue of football very seriously and the under payment of players is on their agenda. Clubs should be aware.” Queen’s Park have defended their position and say they have signed players on professional deals for many years to ease their move to the amateur club from other senior Scottish outfits. General manager Christine Wright said: “Many of our players come to us from professional clubs so we put them on professional contracts of £1-a-week, in lieu of expenses. HMRC have looked into this and are comfortable with what we’re doing.” However, she admitted there has been no dialogue with HMRC on the issue for at least the eight years she has been with the club. Asked if the contracts would stand legal scrutiny, she added: “I can’t answer that. I’m not a lawyer.” Queen’s Park players sign standard SPFL contracts, which make no reference to their weekly wage being paid “in lieu of expenses”. Fraser Wishart, chief executive of PFA Scotland, reckons the Queen’s Park argument cuts little ice legally. He said: “When a player signs a professional deal it’s on a standard, SPFL contract. Any renumeration listed within brings it under the jurisdiction of minimum wage legislation.” Queen’s Park players, who are all part-time, train twice a week and work, on average, nine hours when matches are played at home. On the road, especially to more far flung destinations such as Peterhead, their working week can rise up to 17 hours. Under national minimum wage legislation, a player aged 25 or over would be entitled to between £65 and £140-a-week and back pay would soon mount up if a disgruntled employee was successful in arguing his case with HMRC. Queen’s Park have become a fertile breeding ground for young talent again in recent seasons and have developed players such as Scotland star Andy Robertson, Dundee United midfielder Blair Spittal and Aberdeen frontman Lawrence Shankland. Dundee United took Robertson as an amateur from Hampden, but generously gifted Queen’s Park a 10 per cent sell-on clause which netted the League One clubs £280,000 when he moved to Hull City. Queen’s Park retain the right to compensation and transfer fees when players are signed on professional contracts and can also dictate when they move from the club. As amateurs, players needed only give 28 days’ notice. Campaigner Willie Smith launched the petition aimed at overhauling many of Scottish football’s structures in 2010 and it is already the longest running in the history of the parliament. He said: “Such is the degree of mismanagement and exploitation the petition is far from finished. Football clubs and their member authorities in Scotland are out of control. If clubs can’t afford to pay minimum wage they should lose their professional status and become wholly amateur.” The SPFL have defended their governance of national minimum wage legislation, which Scottish clubs must respect by law and which is also enshrined in an autonomous agreement between the SFA, through UEFA, and world players’ union Fifpro. A spokesman for the SPFL said: “There are significant financial pressures on many clubs, especially those in the lower divisions who are currently part-time. Whilst increases in the national minimum wage have undoubtedly been challenging for a number of our smaller clubs, it is a legal requirement that all clubs fully comply with national minimum wage regulations. “All of our clubs have been reminded of their obligations under the legislation and are aware of these requirements. “The SPFL offers a free service to any professional player who considers that they have not been paid the minimum wage by their club.” http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/queens-park-break-150-years-9465208 What a stroke of luck that is
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16 Dec 2016, 10:30 AM
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Rio Ferdinand has donated £500,000 of toys to charity for kids Christmas.
Great gesture, always like the big guy. I've always thought he was a total plonker, but fair play to him, it's very good of him to do that.
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Rio Ferdinand has donated £500,000 of toys to charity for kids Christmas.
Great gesture, always like the big guy.
I've always thought he was a total plonker, but fair play to him, it's very good of him to do that. Ferdinand comes across as a thoroughly decent geezer in the English warped football world.
Loved his Paul McStay story from a few years ago!!!!
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16 Dec 2016, 05:11 PM
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Rio Ferdinand has donated £500,000 of toys to charity for kids Christmas.
Great gesture, always like the big guy.
I've always thought he was a total plonker, but fair play to him, it's very good of him to do that.
Ferdinand comes across as a thoroughly decent geezer in the English warped football world. Loved his Paul McStay story from a few years ago!!!! Never heard it can you post what it was or point me in the direction of it?
Remember after we beat the huns 1-0 at Christmas a few years ago he was all over twitter biggin us up and when he's up doing the CL for our games, he's always been very complimentary.
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16 Dec 2016, 05:18 PM
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Ferdinand comes across as a thoroughly decent geezer in the English warped football world. Loved his Paul McStay story from a few years ago!!!!
Never heard it can you post what it was or point me in the direction of it? Remember after we beat the huns 1-0 at Christmas a few years ago he was all over twitter biggin us up and when he's up doing the CL for our games, he's always been very complimentary. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUsxF2D9ZO8
Nearest I can get to it....Ive seen another video that Rio is more excitable about the incident.
Ferdinand was awe struck in Sydney I think it was ...McStay was with his kids looking for autographs and Rio got 3/4 United players back out on pitch to talk to him cause they just walked by him. Sounds as though he was a genuine fan growing up in London of Celtic and especially Paul.
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16 Dec 2016, 06:25 PM
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Never heard it can you post what it was or point me in the direction of it? Remember after we beat the huns 1-0 at Christmas a few years ago he was all over twitter biggin us up and when he's up doing the CL for our games, he's always been very complimentary. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUsxF2D9ZO8Nearest I can get to it....Ive seen another video that Rio is more excitable about the incident. Ferdinand was awe struck in Sydney I think it was ...McStay was with his kids looking for autographs and Rio got 3/4 United players back out on pitch to talk to him cause they just walked by him. Sounds as though he was a genuine fan growing up in London of Celtic and especially Paul. Yep , quotes along the lines of " that's Paul McStay!! U better go pay your respects !! "
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Never heard it can you post what it was or point me in the direction of it? Remember after we beat the huns 1-0 at Christmas a few years ago he was all over twitter biggin us up and when he's up doing the CL for our games, he's always been very complimentary. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUsxF2D9ZO8Nearest I can get to it....Ive seen another video that Rio is more excitable about the incident. Ferdinand was awe struck in Sydney I think it was ...McStay was with his kids looking for autographs and Rio got 3/4 United players back out on pitch to talk to him cause they just walked by him. Sounds as though he was a genuine fan growing up in London of Celtic and especially Paul. Watching that gives a warm feeling inside.
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17 Dec 2016, 01:12 AM
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Just saw a clip of Henry interview with Guardiola. Pep pretty much called the EPL shampooe 😂
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Stefam Johansen does it agaaaain.
Scores for Fulham for the 4th sucessive game
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All 4 home nations teams fined by UEFA for wearing the poppies and other associated acts.
So there you have it UEFA views this illicit act in the same vein as flying a Palestine flag or singing songs of Irish rebellion.
Thats going to sting the huns that is.
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19 Dec 2016, 02:33 PM
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All 4 home nations teams fined by UEFA for wearing the poppies and other associated acts.
So there you have it UEFA views this illicit act in the same vein as flying a Palestine flag or singing songs of Irish rebellion.
Thats going to sting the huns that is. Republic fined for the Easter 1916 symbol as well. Only after being grassed up by the North.
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