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The "Where should I put this?" Thread;; Strange stories from the crazy world of football.
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In The Heat of Lisbon
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10 May 2016, 06:58 PM
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- 9 May 2016, 04:15 PM
So Ajax not too popular in Hollandshire then.
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In The Heat of Lisbon
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10 May 2016, 06:59 PM
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 The numbers are the km away from Moscow Ouch.
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10 May 2016, 07:05 PM
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Stephen Ireland has a broken leg and Charlie Adam is suspended
Can't embed link but this is Stoke's tweet - #SCFC can confirm Stephen Ireland is facing an extended spell on the sidelines after suffering a broken leg in training this morning
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10 May 2016, 07:36 PM
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Stephen Ireland has a broken leg and Charlie Adam is suspended Can't embed link but this is Stoke's tweet - #SCFC can confirm Stephen Ireland is facing an extended spell on the sidelines after suffering a broken leg in training this morning Least he'll have time to attend the funreals of any dead grannies.
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33-rpm
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10 May 2016, 09:18 PM
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Still we sing with our heroes, thirty-three-rounds-per-minute
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Seems there's a host of rule changes being introduced from the beginning of June, chief amongst them the relaxing of the law that a goalscoring opportunity denied inside the box is an automatic red card and a penalty. From June on it will be a yellow card and a penalty, provided a clear attempt was made to play the ball. A few others mentioned here...
"Football plans to introduce penalty goals" Penalty goals could be introduced in football for the first time in an attempt to punish incidents such as blatant handballs on the line.
Until now referees have been allowed to award only a penalty kick, but football officials are considering following the example of rugby, where penalty tries can be awarded. You decide: should this have been a penalty? The Times
The new move would apply in incidents such as Luis Suárez’s “save” for Uruguay against Ghana at the 2010 World Cup, when he punched the ball off the line in the last minute. Asamoah Gyan missed the resulting penalty and Uruguay went through to the semi-finals via a penalty shoot-out.
Football rule-makers have until now regarded goals as sacrosanct, refusing to allow them to be granted unless the ball has crossed the line.
“One of the main things we are going to look at next is handballs,’’ said David Elleray, the technical director of the International FA Board, who has overseen the rewrite of the laws, making alterations to 95 of them.
The move will not be brought in before Euro 2016, although a whole host of other law changes will be officially introduced from June 1. England will be subject to them during warm-up fixtures on May 22 and May 27.
One of the key measures involves relaxing the law which sees a penalty awarded and the offender sent off when an obvious goalscoring opportunity is denied inside the penalty area.
Under the new law, a player who makes a genuine attempt to play the ball will receive a yellow card, in addition to conceding a penalty. Denying obvious goalscoring opportunities outside of the box will still result in a red card.
In other changes, players can be given a red card before a match starts, although they would be able to be replaced so matches start 11 v 11. And if a player taking a penalty “feints” at the end of their run, the opposition will be given a free kick and the penalty-taker a yellow card. The Times (paywall)
Henry Winter: Messi could be a victim of biggest overhaul of football's rules Concerned officials at the International FA Board have sliced through the Laws of the Game, a tome first penned in Victorian ink. They have slashed almost 10,000 of the 22,600 words, tightening and tweaking 95 rules, essentially seeking to simplify and clarify but unwittingly causing more fevered debate.
Changes in the laws range from the laughable (hem colours) to the significant (a yellow card, rather than red for a foul in the box when attempting to play the ball and denying an obvious goalscoring opportunity) to the controversial (sending off players before kick-off).
The mammoth makeover undertaken by David Elleray, the technical director of IFAB, is to be welcomed. The laws were full of anachronisms, sub-clauses and cobwebs. “The laws had not kept pace with modern football,” Elleray, speaking at Wembley yesterday, said. “They were written when football was played by gentlemen who were not expected to break the laws of the game. Thirty, forty years ago being sent off was a disgrace.” A red card is deemed an occupational hazard now.
In revising the laws, Elleray called on the wisdom and experience of two new IFAB advisory panels, one involving ex-referees and the other made up of former footballers and managers. The new laws come into force worldwide from June 1, although the FA has dispensation for using them in the friendlies against Turkey at the Etihad on May 22, and Australia at the Stadium of Light on May 27. Elleray will talk Roy Hodgson’s squad through the changes.
England’s three goalkeepers, Joe Hart, Fraser Forster and Tom Heaton, will be particularly interested in the new law that “if a player commits a Denial of an Obvious Goal Scoring Opportunity offence inside the penalty area it will now be a yellow card if the foul was an attempt to play the ball or challenge an opponent for the ball”.
Elleray showed footage from 2014 of Arsenal’s then keeper, Wojciech Szczesny, rushing out, attempting to get the ball at the feet of Galatasaray’s Burak Yilmaz. Szczesny brought down Yilmaz, conceded a penalty and was sent off. This would now be a yellow-card offence because of the clear attempt to play the ball. IFAB argues that a goalscoring opportunity has been restored with the award of a penalty. The old triple punishment of dismissal, penalty and ban was deemed excessive.
Elleray believes that the penalty count “may go up” because referees are more likely to give decisions knowing the outcome is less draconian now. Elleray acknowledged that goalkeepers may come out more forcefully now, knowing only a yellow card is at risk, not expulsion. “This is a two-year experiment worldwide,” he emphasised. Laws evolve. Red cards will still be administered for “handball; holding, pulling or pushing; not attempting to play the ball; not having the chance to play the ball; serious foul challenges, violent conduct etc”. On the latter point, the FA expects more claims for wrongful dismissals, with clubs contesting the force of the challenge. The new law that “attempted violence is a red card even if no contact is made” could also trigger some appeals.
Given that IFAB stresses that “holding, pulling or pushing” remain a red, there needs to be consistency of referees in implementing this. Leicester City were enraged when Jon Moss decided to penalise Wes Morgan for grappling with West Ham’s Winston Reid when the offence goes on unchecked elsewhere. While the new Denial of an Obvious Goal Scoring Opportunity law is admirable, the old ones also need applying. Simulation and dissent are major issues for Elleray and his law men to confront. They should also end the continued pettiness that demands a goalscorer be cautioned for removing his shirt in celebration.
Elleray’s 14,500-word opus makes fascinating reading. Red cards can now be given to players fighting in the tunnel before kick-off (although they would be replaced so teams start 11 apiece). “If Roy Keane and Patrick Vieira had become an almighty punch-up in the tunnel (in 2005), Graham Poll could now have sent them off under the new laws,’’ said Elleray. “For the image of the game, you wouldn’t want them to play.” Each would receive a minimum three-match ban.
Cynics would fear the (slim) possibility of a less scrupulous manager sacrificing an expendable player, instructing him to pick a fight with the opponents’ star during the warm-up or in the tunnel, getting both sent off.
Penalty-taking has also come under the decision-makers’ scrutiny. Elleray showed footage of Lionel Messi feinting during the run-up, deceiving the keeper, and converting. “If the kicker stops and ‘feints’ at the end of their run it will always be an indirect free-kick and yellow card even if they score (ie no retake),” read the revised laws. Good luck to the referee who cautions Messi and chalks off a successful penalty at the Nou Camp. Cristiano Ronaldo, Eden Hazard and Mario Balotelli are also at risk.
Elleray points out that “you are allowed a stuttering run”. Yet surely the advantage should lie with the victim, ie the team sinned against. Feinting, a legitimate weapon when running through one-on-one with a keeper, should be allowed. The frustration is that the change affects the most skilful and audacious, those like Messi and Ronaldo who love outwitting a keeper. One excellent revision involves keepers who move early being cautioned (as well as having the kick retaken if required).
Penalty shoot-outs have been updated with one notable amendment: “a kick is completed/over when the ball stops moving”. This clarification comes after a Moroccan Cup tie ended in farce in 2010 when the FAR Rabat keeper, Khalid Askri, saved the key Maghreb Fez kick, ran off celebrating and the loose ball spun back over the line. The goal was awarded.
Of the offside changes, one has recent resonance. Villarreal appealed for offside against Liverpool’s Adam Lallana at Anfield but he was played onside by Mateo Musacchio, who had slid off the pitch when challenging Roberto Firmino. Danny Simpson appealed for offside against Chelsea but Danny Drinkwater was behind the goal, having fallen over the dead-ball line after chasing Oscar. Musacchio and Drinkwater were both deemed on the goal-line, so playing attackers on, but their “active” status would now be deemed for only one phase of play.
The amended regulations decree that “if a player is injured by a foul which results in a red card or yellow card for the opponent, the injured player can have quick assessment or treatment on the field and not have to go off”. Elleray defined “quick” as “20 seconds”; any longer, and the player has to go off. IFAB should surely consider the rugby way of treating a player while the game continues.
There are some sartorial amendments, namely that “undershorts” must be the same colour of the shorts “or the hem”. Manchester City players can now choose green or black undershorts when wearing the third kit to make sure they get the match of the day.
Referees in grass-roots football are being encouraged to “use your common-sense” to get games played and not call them off if “there are only three corner-flags, the goalposts are not white or there are minor inaccuracies on (painting) the line”. Sensible.
Made up of four representatives of the home nations and a quartet of appointments from other countries, IFAB prides itself on its history, celebrating its 130th birthday on June 2, and also its independence. “It’s not a Fifa sub-committee as one former Fifa president thought,” said Elleray. IFAB always seemed embroiled in politics when Sepp Blatter was around. The new Fifa president, Gianni Infantino, is far more collegiate. “He’s more sympathetic,’’ said Elleray.
IFAB should become more assertive, improving the game. Video technology is coming. Next week, the FA joins the Dutch, the Italians and 13 other like-minded associations countries at a workshop in Amsterdam to consider when to go “live” with trials. It could be as soon as the later stages of next season’s FA Cup. A fourth sub in extra time will also be trialled.
“One of the main things we are going to look at next is handballs,’’ added Elleray. The expectation is that incidents like Luis Suárez’s handball on the Uruguay line against Ghana in the 2010 World Cup quarter-final will be punished with a penalty goal. The law men are beginning to get tough.
The Times (paywall)
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Dannybhoy95
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10 May 2016, 11:37 PM
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- 10 May 2016, 01:26 PM
there were made a study earlier in the year that showed that Bayern were the the German Bunderliga club that bought the least players from other German clubs
the idea that they are raiding the Bunderliga are wrong They've signed Lewandowski, Götze and Hummels for a combined €75 Million (just under £60 Million)
I didn't say they were raiding Bundesliga clubs. However, they certainly enjoy a transfer from Dortmund. That's 3 out the last 4 Summer windows.
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Zurawski 7
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11 May 2016, 12:06 AM
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DKB
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11 May 2016, 07:40 AM
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there were made a study earlier in the year that showed that Bayern were the the German Bunderliga club that bought the least players from other German clubs
the idea that they are raiding the Bunderliga are wrong
They've signed Lewandowski, Götze and Hummels for a combined €75 Million (just under £60 Million) I didn't say they were raiding Bundesliga clubs. However, they certainly enjoy a transfer from Dortmund. That's 3 out the last 4 Summer windows.  like we have sought out Dun Utd for their 3 "star" (Ciftci, Armstrong and GMS) player the last couple of windows
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martino
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11 May 2016, 09:18 AM
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Le Conseguenze Dell'Amore
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- 11 May 2016, 12:06 AM
SFA leaving nothing to chance there! Ah well Hibs, maybe next year.
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Dannybhoy95
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11 May 2016, 03:12 PM
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- 11 May 2016, 07:40 AM
like we have sought out Dun Utd for their 3 "star" (Ciftci, Armstrong and GMS) player the last couple of windows Aye. However, no carrot wanted Cifci.
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11 May 2016, 03:14 PM
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Catch some light and it'll be alright
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SFA leaving nothing to chance there! Ah well Hibs, maybe next year. Jeeeesssso ye couldn't make that up.
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11 May 2016, 04:32 PM
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Mark Clattenburg to referee CL Final.
Actually think he is a good ref, seems to have respect of the players when he is doing a game.
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11 May 2016, 05:16 PM
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Retired and now a BT Sports pundit
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SFA leaving nothing to chance there! Ah well Hibs, maybe next year. Good appointments, IMO.
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11 May 2016, 05:36 PM
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- 11 May 2016, 12:06 AM
Hibs are wasting their time turning up for this Which MIB will score first?
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11 May 2016, 05:49 PM
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- 11 May 2016, 04:32 PM
Mark Clattenburg to referee CL Final.
Actually think he is a good ref, seems to have respect of the players when he is doing a game. yes, those chelsea and spurs players looked like they gave a feck what he thought the other night when they were kicking lumps out of each other, scrapping on the touchline, gouging each other in the eye and generally being completely out of control
the referee seemed determined to finish the game with 22 players on the park, i'll give him that
he seems ideal to take charge of a highly charged derby between two teams that can't stand each other, with several players on both sides who are masters of the dark arts
i predict a bloodbath
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11 May 2016, 05:53 PM
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- 11 May 2016, 04:32 PM
Mark Clattenburg to referee CL Final.
Actually think he is a good ref, seems to have respect of the players when he is doing a game.
yes, those chelsea and spurs players looked like they gave a feck what he thought the other night when they were kicking lumps out of each other, scrapping on the touchline, gouging each other in the eye and generally being completely out of control the referee seemed determined to finish the game with 22 players on the park, i'll give him that he seems ideal to take charge of a highly charged derby between two teams that can't stand each other, with several players on both sides who are masters of the dark arts i predict a bloodbath You could have put Collina in charge of that game and the players would still have acted the same.
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11 May 2016, 08:22 PM
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Totti played his 600th game for Roma the other day according to a hipster footy stat twitter page
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11 May 2016, 08:29 PM
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Dicey Reillys csc Belfast
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- 11 May 2016, 08:22 PM
Totti played his 600th game for Roma the other day according to a hipster footy stat twitter page Would've done so earlier if Spalletti wasn't such an arsehole.
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11 May 2016, 08:39 PM
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- Zurawski 7
- 11 May 2016, 12:06 AM
Is that real. if it is Hibs Cup
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11 May 2016, 09:13 PM
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Virgil wins Southampton Players Player of the Year
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