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The "Where should I put this?" Thread;; Strange stories from the crazy world of football.
Topic Started: 25 Sep 2012, 05:56 PM (238,263 Views)
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:nono: shampooebag Little.
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I cba waiting any longer, away to sleep and ill catch up with it in morning :sleep:
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Ralf Little on Clarke Carlisle

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Clarke context and comments
First and foremost, and I should know this by now, twitter is not the place for this sort of thing, as it takes more than 140 characters to talk about anything seriously. So already I wish I hadn’t said anything, not because I regret the comment, but because the choice of forum was wrong and frankly understandable if people are riled up.

Next thing is, I don’t suddenly want to air a list of grievances that sound sensationalist and do some tabloid’s job for them. Clarke and I have history, that involves money, lies, on one notable occasion me being interrogated by the police over something I knew nothing about… and all sorts of other stuff.

Now, when it comes to mental illness, I understand it, I’ve lived around it, I’ve supported it, I fight against the stigmatization of it and so on. I think it’s a very real issue with a long road to go to combat it.

So that said, on to this case… It’s extremely difficult to watch someone repeatedly ruin other people’s lives, then explain it in such a way that makes them immune to criticism. And it keeps happening. It’s now reached a point where, as this proves, it’s like emotional touch paper. And sure, I’m not a professional expert on mental health, and no doubt, neither are you. But I know more about this particular case than you do just because you read about it in the Sun, or saw a documentary.

There comes a point where it’s just frustrating to witness someone constantly hammering the pattern of destruction for those around – and I was once one of those around - only to see the destructive force make a moving and sincere apology… then do it again.

(On reflection, that’s the nature of addiction/illness, and I know that all too well, but as I say, a rash tweet and it’s not the place for it. )

I should also say that during the course of this twitter… whatever it is, Clarke has been in touch with a retrospective apology over things that went on a long time ago, and I think that has to be respected by all, myself included.

Anyway... You have to be in a dark place to attempt suicide, and only a fool would suggest otherwise. However, I do find myself thinking that when you’ve been driving drunk five (is it?) times, risking lives of countless other people, and even in your darkest hour still manage to involve a lorry driver who could have died himself, and now has to live with that trauma and memory every day fro the REST of his life… Personally my stores of empathy start to dry up after a while.

Am I really that out of order for suggesting that’s not on? Do we repeatedly overlook reckless destruction of other lives beacause someone apologizes, again and again, and says it’s an illness? Isn't there a point where we can go, "enough is enough"?

I hate drink driving, I really do. I know victims of it, who have died, been paralysed, or lost loved ones, and I’ve watched this man get caught doing it several times then publicly forgiven, lauded, and handed a bloody good career! I’m sorry but that annoys me!

And I think that’s my overriding feeling. I don’t feel sad for Clarke any more, I was drained of that some time ago. Instead I feel sad, and maybe a little angry, for Gemma, and the kids, and the lorry driver, and the people who dived out of the way of the car all those years ago, and all the other people who have been effed over and over and over… you know who you are.

Of course I wish Clarke a strong recovery – and not just from the crash. It would be a better world if he and all other sufferers of such an insidious disease could find a way to fight the good fight. But when he does end up facing the drink driving charges, this time around, I hope, not least out of respect for the hundreds of drink driving victims who tweet me every year, they throw the book at him.

I don’t think that makes me a carrot, or gobshampooe, or a winker, or any other delightful name some of you came up with, but hey it’s a free country.

Though, as a final thought, I would say again, I’m a fool for forgetting that twitter is not, and never will be, the place for a comment like that. It’s too reductive and simplistic, and yes, without context, I can see it would seem insensitive and crass. Not my intention.

I’m going to bed.
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I agree with Ralf though I don't know why he's went public with that? Depression is horrible and I wouldn't wish it upon anyone but he was selfish when he decided to take a course of action which could and may yet still ruin the lives of innocent people. Did he never consider the effects it could have on the driver or the depression it could cause him knowing he'd killed someone? Or that he may swerve to avoid him and kill himself and others in doing so?
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This is no brownie points but Carlisle is a convicted drink driver
God bless the lad if he is fighting depression absolutely but ffs do not drive after consumption
His case reminded me of that German sub keeper who took his own life at the tracks....?
Edited by tonyjaa-csc, 5 Feb 2015, 03:51 AM.
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tonyjaa-csc
5 Feb 2015, 03:49 AM
This is no brownie points but Carlisle is a convicted drink driver
God bless the lad if he is fighting depression absolutely but ffs do not drive after consumption
His case reminded me of that German sub keeper who took his own life at the tracks....?
Robert Enke yeah, his book gives a good insight into depression and battling it as a player.

Hasn't Clarkle Carlise tried to kill himself before? Swallowed a load in pills in a park I think, could be wrong but sure he mentioned it on a programme he did on the BBC.
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This is brilliant!!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31188264

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If you're bored and fancy a laugh, check out these morons http://nycfcforums.com/index.php?forums/nycfc-supporters-discussion.12/

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Arsenal fan on Harry Kane - before and after yesterday's game. <a href="https://t.co/CkB3I6BAAA">https://t.co/CkB3I6BAAA</a></p>— FootyHumour (@FootyHumour) <a href="https://twitter.com/FootyHumour/status/564400844700127232">February 8, 2015</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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Ravel Morrison has had his contract terminated by West Ham.

He's doing a great job of effing up his career. Taking him out of Manchester then putting him in London wasn't a wise move though.
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TheEvilGenius
8 Feb 2015, 01:48 PM
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Arsenal fan on Harry Kane - before and after yesterday's game. <a href="https://t.co/CkB3I6BAAA">https://t.co/CkB3I6BAAA</a></p>— FootyHumour (@FootyHumour) <a href="https://twitter.com/FootyHumour/status/564400844700127232">February 8, 2015</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Saw that goon on MOTD - get it right up him
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Deserved booking !!
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Bob Loblaw
8 Feb 2015, 01:55 PM
Ravel Morrison has had his contract terminated by West Ham.

He's doing a great job of effing up his career. Taking him out of Manchester then putting him in London wasn't a wise move though.
A complete idiot - fair play to Fergusn, he called that one 100% correctly
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8 Feb 2015, 01:56 PM





Deserved booking !!
Came in to post that. Lovely tackle :rubeyes:
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JamesJoyce
8 Feb 2015, 11:54 AM
If you're bored and fancy a laugh, check out these morons http://nycfcforums.com/index.php?forums/nycfc-supporters-discussion.12/

Yup, perfect combination of MLS and New York fans pretty much means they're about as moronic as you'll find.
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No idea how to embed facebook videos so here's the link.

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https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=417260145099238

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McStay
5 Feb 2015, 02:13 AM
Depression is horrible and I wouldn't wish it upon anyone but he was selfish when he decided to take a course of action which could and may yet still ruin the lives of innocent people. Did he never consider the effects it could have on the driver or the depression it could cause him knowing he'd killed someone? Or that he may swerve to avoid him and kill himself and others in doing so?
:ffs:
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Found a ton of old Celtic programmes today. Loads from late 80s and early 90s, few from 70s. Know anybody that still buys them or is it just binworthy now?
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cp7
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Anyone know the criteria for an "emergency loan"?
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cp7
11 Feb 2015, 02:11 AM
Anyone know the criteria for an "emergency loan"?
Basically anytime yer skint but the rates are awful.
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