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Squad; Post-transfer window discussion
Topic Started: 14 Nov 2017, 03:50 PM (112,470 Views)
johncfc
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Mcfj92
15 May 2018, 04:14 PM
Disagree with Rodgers saying there will be no drastic changes, for me we will loose 5/6 players, they players then need replaced then we have the small issue of sorting a full new defence with exception of Tierney imo. Before looking at forward areas where we need freshened up. I've said previously in this thread this is going to be the biggest transfer window in recent years and we need to act accordingly for a change.
Ideally I think we would like to see half a dozen or so players move on somewhere they will get game time.

The problem most teams have is finding a buyer. Gamboa and the club will want him to move on, but will anyone match our valuation and pay a similar wage? Hopefully, otherwise the best we can do is loan these players out (see Cifti).
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Mcfj92
15 May 2018, 04:14 PM
Disagree with Rodgers saying there will be no drastic changes, for me we will loose 5/6 players, they players then need replaced then we have the small issue of sorting a full new defence with exception of Tierney imo. Before looking at forward areas where we need freshened up. I've said previously in this thread this is going to be the biggest transfer window in recent years and we need to act accordingly for a change.
I'd take his comments with a pinch of salt. He's not going to say there will be wholesale changes in the summer just a matter of days before a cup final.
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15 May 2018, 04:12 PM
The Newcastle Chronicle has us after Mbemba from Newcastle, 23 year old CB. I think we've been linked with him before.
M'Bemba was a great Salif Keita cd and the first track on it was Bobo...an omen?

No, probably not.
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When is a football club not looking to bring in quality? "We're looking to bring in a load of auld shampoo, gies your money." I'm getting tired of that phrase, it's a given and I'm starting to think it only gets trotted out to manage expectations.
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Position to look examine this summer. Right Back. Lustig is going to world cup and will miss some euro qualifiers. He also seems to be nearly done as a Celtic player. Performances have really dropped.
Seems Ralston might not be performing at the level we expected. Dundee utd playoff he did manage a goal, but then was supposedly burned on a Livi goal? Didn't see it myself. Seems his development hasn't really been going as well as planned.
That leaves us with Gamboa. Look at his appearances for Celtic. Exactly 19. He has not played 1 minute or featured since his 19th game (which he played well in - unless I'm mistaken). I assume part of his deal included more money after 20 appearances. Doubt Celtic would want to pay the money for a guy they aren't that keen on. My bet is you'll never see the guy in Celtic jersey again unless we are really stuck.
Look for Celtic to sign a RB this summer.
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GK- personally happy with Gordon, Bain, Hazard/Doohan. punt DDV if possible. loan either Hazard or Doohan

RB- Gamboa will leave, you would think. need competition for Lustig, not just a backup. intrigued to see what BR does re:Ralston, him and Lustig as our only 2 RBs going into the season would give me the fear for sure. need to add starter level player

CB- Ajer obviously stays. if boyata doesn't want to re-sign he has to go. actually don't think keeping jozo around as cover would (necessarily) be the end of the world if you accept we could well punt boyata, sviat, maybe even compper too. sviat would like to sell if we could get a decent fee. compper, who knows, obviously since he has joined his minimal impact whether through injury issues or general shampooery is troubling. Hendry and bitton are reasonable backups. need to add at minimum one quality starter level player and ideally one more decent option.

LB- glaringly obvious we need a proper deputy for KT, not just McGregor or hayes. I actually like calvin miller but BR seems to not rate him. seems like a loan move would be beneficial as it would allow him to develop more as LB considering he never really played there before and he needs game time. however his contract up end of next season so if BR doesn't rate maybe get what we can this summer. Conclusion- need at least a suitable backup. going back to the RB position it would really be great if we had someone who could adeptly fill in at either fullback slot


midfield- assuming one of (if not both) of rogic and Armstrong are going. punt allan. that leaves ntcham brown McGregor, with bitton and kouassi also there. maybe ewan Henderson will also get more time. I actually think kouassi is decent to keep around but maybe a short term loan would benefit him. confusing how little he has played given he looks alright when he does. as stated bitton a good option who Brendan trusts in midfield and at the back. I think we need 2 players at least with one as an immediate impact player at a similar level to rogic or Armstrong. it would really, really be great to kick the can down the road with rogic like we did with Armstrong last summer if we cannot get him a long term contract. would like to keep both but doesn't seem likely ;

Roberts going. Forrest stays. Hayes back from injury. I would keep Sinclair. decisions to be made on Christie and morgan in terms of whether to keep them around. Johnston also back from injury. Forrest, Sinclair, Hayes, Morgan, Christie, Johnston not enough in my opinion. one more really quality addition would be good, maybe get rid of Christie. hayes was just finding some form and is a decent squad option. so ideally one more solid option. no idea what to do with benyu seems like that was a very unproductive loan spell for whatever reason

striker- would love to keep dembele one more yr, maybe a one yr extension to his current deal with a pay bump? but assuming he leaves that's LG and edouard. plus aitchison, who doesn't seem to have shown up on brendans radar at all. drive ciftci to his next destination for free. one more starter level player here is a must I feel given LGs injury problems. hernandez whose been linked would be sufficient






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GK: Gordon, Bain, Doohan

RB: New Starter, Ralston
LB: Tierney, New Backup
CB: Ajer, Compper, Hendry, New CB

CM: Brown, Kouassi, McGregor, Ntcham, Christie, Bitton

RW: Forrest, Morgan
LW: Sinclair, Hayes

ST: Dembele, Edouard, Griff

If we treat it as a 25 man squad as will be required for CL then I'd imagine we're looking at something like this. Would see outgoings of:

DDV (Free), Boyata (5-10m), Jozo (5-10m), Sviatchenko (2-5m), Lustig (1m), Gamboa(500k), Rogic (10-15m), Armstrong (7-13m) from the first team squad as well as punting deadwood like: Ciftci and Allan. Would hope with sales of so many players we'd bring in a decent wedge, I did ballpark figures and if we took the lowest estimate of each of the bracketed figures it would give us 30 million to spend to improve the squad with only 3 defensive signings imperative for squad depth.

Would hope some positions would be strengthened further (ie not going into the season with Ryan Christie and Nir Bitton vying for the Rogic positon) with the money from the VVD transfer as well as sales made and CL revenue. Edouard is the only assumed transfer in that I've made since it's been widely reported we're in negotiations atm for him. I think/hope we might see more of Compper after he's had the full preseason working with the coaching staff. If we're going to persist with 3 at the back the final squad position would hopefully be given to a further CB signing.

Hopefully see guys like Miller, Johnstone, Hazard, Henderson, Benyu, and Aitchison sent out on loan for their development

Edited by HenkesGhod, 15 May 2018, 06:28 PM.
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Some of those valuations are effing mental :lol:
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15 May 2018, 06:31 PM
Some of those valuations are effing mental :lol:
In today's market those are the prices we should be expecting, I actually felt like I was being conservative :lol:
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HenkesGhod
15 May 2018, 06:32 PM
remy mcswain
15 May 2018, 06:31 PM
Some of those valuations are effing mental :lol:
In today's market those are the prices we should be expecting, I actually felt like I was being conservative :lol:
Armstrong in last year of contract £7m to £13m. Conservative? :ph43r:
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remy mcswain
15 May 2018, 06:33 PM
HenkesGhod
15 May 2018, 06:32 PM
remy mcswain
15 May 2018, 06:31 PM
Some of those valuations are effing mental :lol:
In today's market those are the prices we should be expecting, I actually felt like I was being conservative :lol:
Armstrong in last year of contract £7m to £13m. Conservative? :ph43r:
Was quoted with a move to Southampton last summer for 7 million iirc? :ponder: That's where I took it from, with the higher figures meant to reflect that the market has gotten even more batshampoo crazy since then
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HenkesGhod
15 May 2018, 06:35 PM
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15 May 2018, 06:33 PM
HenkesGhod
15 May 2018, 06:32 PM

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Armstrong in last year of contract £7m to £13m. Conservative? :ph43r:
Was quoted with a move to Southampton last summer for 7 million iirc? :ponder: That's where I took it from, with the higher figures meant to reflect that the market has gotten even more batshampoo crazy since then
Armstrong’s form this year is a lot worse than it was last year.
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remy mcswain
15 May 2018, 06:36 PM
HenkesGhod
15 May 2018, 06:35 PM
remy mcswain
15 May 2018, 06:33 PM

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Was quoted with a move to Southampton last summer for 7 million iirc? :ponder: That's where I took it from, with the higher figures meant to reflect that the market has gotten even more batshampoo crazy since then
Armstrong’s form this year is a lot worse than it was last year.
That is very true, but not a chance SPLOB wouldn't be using that figure to drive up his price. I admit the higher end of the estimate is probably a bit extreme, but in today's market everything is nuts in football so someone might pay it :lol:
Edited by HenkesGhod, 15 May 2018, 06:38 PM.
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Not Celtic related, but Mulumbo seems to want to stay with Killie. Would be a great bit of business if they can keep him.
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15 May 2018, 06:32 PM
remy mcswain
15 May 2018, 06:31 PM
Some of those valuations are effing mental :lol:
In today's market those are the prices we should be expecting, I actually felt like I was being conservative :lol:
If we get anywhere close to 5-10 million for Jozo or 7 mil for Armstrong in the last year of his deal I'll be beyond amazed. The market has gone mental but the kind of teams likely to splash the crazy money will have much better options than those guys.

Wouldn't take a penny less than 10 million for Rogic right enough. Even then I'd be after more.
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15 May 2018, 06:38 PM
HenkesGhod
15 May 2018, 06:32 PM
remy mcswain
15 May 2018, 06:31 PM
Some of those valuations are effing mental :lol:
In today's market those are the prices we should be expecting, I actually felt like I was being conservative :lol:
If we get anywhere close to 5-10 million for Jozo or 7 mil for Armstrong in the last year of his deal I'll be beyond amazed. The market has gone mental but the kind of teams likely to splash the crazy money will have much better options than those guys.

Wouldn't take a penny less than 10 million for Rogic right enough. Even then I'd be after more.
Jozo was moving to Torino for 4 million when he'd hardly kicked a ball for us and was injury plagued. Since then he's established himself in our team, been called up to the Bosnia squad, and represented us in the CL (where he admittedly got roasted but hey :ph43r: ). If he was worth 4 million then, he's worth more now.
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15 May 2018, 06:41 PM
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15 May 2018, 06:32 PM

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If we get anywhere close to 5-10 million for Jozo or 7 mil for Armstrong in the last year of his deal I'll be beyond amazed. The market has gone mental but the kind of teams likely to splash the crazy money will have much better options than those guys.

Wouldn't take a penny less than 10 million for Rogic right enough. Even then I'd be after more.
Jozo was moving to Torino for 4 million when he'd hardly kicked a ball for us and was injury plagued. Since then he's established himself in our team, been called up to the Bosnia squad, and represented us in the CL (where he admittedly got roasted but hey :ph43r: ). If he was worth 4 million then, he's worth more now.
I hope so but just can't see it to be honest. Maybe around the summer when things were going great for him. But he's really gone downhill at an alarming rate this season and doesn't look like he'll be a regular starter again any time soon. His international ordeal can't have helped him much either. If we get anything close to what we paid for him I'd be more than happy with that.
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14 May 2018, 11:40 PM
Anybody have any thoughts on roughly what kind of transfer budget BR should expect to have this summer? Pretty major upgrade needed, I think.

(Obviously wages will be a significant factor if we're signing first team players; but hopefully there will be some kind of money coming in from sales.)
There will be no "transfer budget"........we will bring in more money in transfer fees than we spend.

We need to sign Edouard and I would expect at least one of Dembele and Rogic to go.
And all that Champions League cash?
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A site called CeltsAreHere is saying

CELTIC are reportedly in advanced talks with Tom Rogic’s representatives as they look to tie up the midfielder for the next 3-4 years.
Tom has a year left on his current deal with many speculating that he if he doesn’t re-sign by the nearer the end of the August window then Celtic will cash in on their player of six years.

However, Rodgers is desperate to hold on to his big game player and since talks stalled a couple of months ago – reports suggest that talks have been going well over the Australian’s future.

As the cliche always goes – these things take time but Celtic are being very active in this regard.

The Celtic manager is also still keen to sign Dedryk Boyata up on a new deal but the Belgian is still playing hardball. The defender spoke earlier this season of wanting to play in the Premier League soon.
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Newcastle, Leicester and West Ham are being linked with Roberts for 15million.
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