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Squad; Post-transfer window discussion
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Topic Started: 14 Nov 2017, 03:50 PM (112,489 Views)
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3 May 2018, 06:31 PM
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- 3 May 2018, 03:57 PM
I'd keep Bitton. He was linked with a move back to Israel and said he wasn't for it - he's contracted here to 2020, loves it and expects to see it out at least. Going home not on his mind.
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3 May 2018, 06:38 PM
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On the ones most likely given form, family circs or time in contract
DDV - buttons
Gamboa - buttons Jozo - not a great deal given need for medical sviatchenko - 1m Compper - big wages saving
Armstrong - 3-4m Allan - as makeweight on Mcginn deal Bitton - don't know how long left on contract - few million
sinclair - ?m Roberts - big saving in wages Ciftci - we live in hope Dembele - 20-25m
and only on list cause signs are he and partner want to move on Rogic 10m plus even if last year
I hope we can keep rogic and would like to see roberts stay too and if they do we'd still have best part of 35m plus wages plus last years Cl and this years to strengthen
really big summer for us
Is the McGinn / Allan swap an itk post? Or just speculation on your part? I'd take a punt on McGinn as I think he'd do a job in the SPFL for us and you sometimes need those players in order to rest the CL level players - and i don't think we're equipped to accomodate 23 CL level players. It might not be McGinn coming from Hibs in exchange for Allan.
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3 May 2018, 06:44 PM
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- 2 May 2018, 05:48 PM
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- 2 May 2018, 05:45 PM
I'd keep Boyata if we brought in a top centre half to play alongside him
We should sign a sweeper whose sole purpose is to play 10 yards behind Boyata at all times. we have one , Craig Gordon
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3 May 2018, 07:10 PM
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On the ones most likely given form, family circs or time in contract
DDV - buttons
Gamboa - buttons Jozo - not a great deal given need for medical sviatchenko - 1m Compper - big wages saving
Armstrong - 3-4m Allan - as makeweight on Mcginn deal Bitton - don't know how long left on contract - few million
sinclair - ?m Roberts - big saving in wages Ciftci - we live in hope Dembele - 20-25m
and only on list cause signs are he and partner want to move on Rogic 10m plus even if last year
I hope we can keep rogic and would like to see roberts stay too and if they do we'd still have best part of 35m plus wages plus last years Cl and this years to strengthen
really big summer for us
Is the McGinn / Allan swap an itk post? Or just speculation on your part? I'd take a punt on McGinn as I think he'd do a job in the SPFL for us and you sometimes need those players in order to rest the CL level players - and i don't think we're equipped to accomodate 23 CL level players.
It might not be McGinn coming from Hibs in exchange for Allan. Who then?
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3 May 2018, 07:11 PM
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Squad needs trimmed again and tbh quite a few are Rodgers signings that haven't worked out.
We have a ridiculous amount of midfielders. Of them I'd be punting Biton, Allan, Hayes and Christie(I like him but can't see it with Morgan signing and the emergence of Mikey Johnstone on top of Rogics inevitable replacement)
The defence, Tierney, apart, if we can get money I'd get rid of the lot and start a fresh. It aint going to happen but hey ho. I'd keep Lustig as back up to a better right back, Ralston may need another year to see if he can make the grade. I'm not including Hendry in the above, he looks no bad back up.
Strikers, it all depends on the possible sale of Dembele. Has his value increased, stagnated or gone down since last season? Turned it on against the huns recently but for a few months he's being doing ok, nothing special imo. Since coming back from his hamstring injury, he seems to have rested on his laurels. If Marseille/West Ham want him, I'd accept anything over 20m or 15m with a big sell on, knowing we will have funds to play with and make the squad better.
Goalkeeper, should be upgraded to someone who can fit the style Rodgers expects, Bain is decent enough back up if Gordon doesn't fancy playing 2nd fiddle.
Massive summer in between vital qualifiers, that will now be against tougher opposition. Letting the contract situation across the squad get to this stage is an error, that could and should have been avoided.
Edit - forgot to say, I'd sign Eddie in a heartbeat. BR says its less than the 7m, if so that's an easy decision.
Also,we won´t get anything near 15m for Dembele. We´ll be luck to get 10m.  Eh? Even after he's not exactly had an amazing season, we'd be effing mental to take anything under 20 million for him. Just going by his form since he´s been with us. Apart from the sevco games that he always seems to get up for, I´m not seeing a 15m player, sorry. Edit: He´s also 8th in the goalscoring list for the SPFL, yes the SPFL, behind the like of Boyd, Morelis, Windass, and Griffiths who has played a lot fewer games. Or is goalscoring not that important for a striker? So somebody please explain this 15m-25m evaluation and how you arrive at it.
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3 May 2018, 07:34 PM
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deep
 Eh? Even after he's not exactly had an amazing season, we'd be effing mental to take anything under 20 million for him.
Just going by his form since he´s been with us. Apart from the sevco games that he always seems to get up for, I´m not seeing a 15m player, sorry. Edit: He´s also 8th in the goalscoring list for the SPFL, yes the SPFL, behind the like of Boyd, Morelis, Windass, and Griffiths who has played a lot fewer games. Or is goalscoring not that important for a striker? So somebody please explain this 15m-25m evaluation and how you arrive at it. Simple really. He's a fantastic player with every single attribute you'd want in a striker at the age of 21.
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3 May 2018, 07:40 PM
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deep
 Eh? Even after he's not exactly had an amazing season, we'd be effing mental to take anything under 20 million for him.
Just going by his form since he´s been with us. Apart from the sevco games that he always seems to get up for, I´m not seeing a 15m player, sorry. Edit: He´s also 8th in the goalscoring list for the SPFL, yes the SPFL, behind the like of Boyd, Morelis, Windass, and Griffiths who has played a lot fewer games. Or is goalscoring not that important for a striker? So somebody please explain this 15m-25m evaluation and how you arrive at it. Mulgrew and this.
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3 May 2018, 07:44 PM
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not suggesting he's right , but this makes you wonder what some of our players might really be worth
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/scotland/43984471
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3 May 2018, 07:49 PM
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deep
 Eh? Even after he's not exactly had an amazing season, we'd be effing mental to take anything under 20 million for him.
Just going by his form since he´s been with us. Apart from the sevco games that he always seems to get up for, I´m not seeing a 15m player, sorry. Edit: He´s also 8th in the goalscoring list for the SPFL, yes the SPFL, behind the like of Boyd, Morelis, Windass, and Griffiths who has played a lot fewer games. Or is goalscoring not that important for a striker? So somebody please explain this 15m-25m evaluation and how you arrive at it. Griffiths has played one less league game than Dembele. Both have suffered from injury this season.
Unlike the other SPL strikers, Dembele has performed well and scored goals at the top level of club football. He also has attributes those other players can only dream about.
A player's valuation isn't based solely on the current season. Age and potential for further development is a big factor.
Burnley paid Leeds £15m for Chris Wood. You don't think Dembele is anywhere near his level?
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3 May 2018, 07:49 PM
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deep
Just going by his form since he´s been with us. Apart from the sevco games that he always seems to get up for, I´m not seeing a 15m player, sorry. Edit: He´s also 8th in the goalscoring list for the SPFL, yes the SPFL, behind the like of Boyd, Morelis, Windass, and Griffiths who has played a lot fewer games. Or is goalscoring not that important for a striker? So somebody please explain this 15m-25m evaluation and how you arrive at it.
Mulgrew and this. Don't forget the excellent Ambrose.
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3 May 2018, 07:55 PM
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 Eh? Even after he's not exactly had an amazing season, we'd be effing mental to take anything under 20 million for him.
Just going by his form since he´s been with us. Apart from the sevco games that he always seems to get up for, I´m not seeing a 15m player, sorry. Edit: He´s also 8th in the goalscoring list for the SPFL, yes the SPFL, behind the like of Boyd, Morelis, Windass, and Griffiths who has played a lot fewer games. Or is goalscoring not that important for a striker? So somebody please explain this 15m-25m evaluation and how you arrive at it. Maybe compare minutes played you balloon. Griffiths has played more than Dembele and has less goals. Just making shampoo up now. Probably one of these carrots who thinks Griffiths is better. The fact that he’s the starting France u-21s striker means he’s worth at least £10m without kicking a ball right there. He’s hot property, teams just want him. Not because of how many goals he scored in Scotland, but because every carrot in England knows who he is and most want their teams to sign him. The 4 CL goals will have put him on the map, not to mention that performance against Zenit. £10m is insulting.
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3 May 2018, 08:04 PM
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Highest goal per minute ratio in all competitions in Scotland (excluding players with only a few games played). Not banging them in in the league but only reason he isn’t on 40 goals is due to rotation and injury.
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3 May 2018, 08:47 PM
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deep
 Eh? Even after he's not exactly had an amazing season, we'd be effing mental to take anything under 20 million for him.
Just going by his form since he´s been with us. Apart from the sevco games that he always seems to get up for, I´m not seeing a 15m player, sorry. Edit: He´s also 8th in the goalscoring list for the SPFL, yes the SPFL, behind the like of Boyd, Morelis, Windass, and Griffiths who has played a lot fewer games. Or is goalscoring not that important for a striker? So somebody please explain this 15m-25m evaluation and how you arrive at it.
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3 May 2018, 09:29 PM
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deep
Just going by his form since he´s been with us. Apart from the sevco games that he always seems to get up for, I´m not seeing a 15m player, sorry. Edit: He´s also 8th in the goalscoring list for the SPFL, yes the SPFL, behind the like of Boyd, Morelis, Windass, and Griffiths who has played a lot fewer games. Or is goalscoring not that important for a striker? So somebody please explain this 15m-25m evaluation and how you arrive at it.
Maybe compare minutes played you balloon. Griffiths has played more than Dembele and has less goals. Just making shampoo up now. Probably one of these carrots who thinks Griffiths is better. The fact that he’s the starting France u-21s striker means he’s worth at least £10m without kicking a ball right there. He’s hot property, teams just want him. Not because of how many goals he scored in Scotland, but because every carrot in England knows who he is and most want their teams to sign him. The 4 CL goals will have put him on the map, not to mention that performance against Zenit. £10m is insulting. According to this site, you are the balloon my friend. Both Edouard and Griffiths score more frequently than Dembele. But what do I know, according to some folks I was the only Celtic fan in the world who liked Charlie Mulgrew, and the only one in the world, except a few thousand Hibs fans, who thinks Neil Lennon gor an excellent deal in Efe Ambrose. Not one person has given a logical answer as to why they think we would get (note would get, not would like to get) between 15m and 25m for Dembele. Some have even questioned paying less than half of that for Edouard, who has a superior scoring record.
Edit. this is the link I meant to add. https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/scottish-premiership/top-scorers
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3 May 2018, 09:46 PM
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Maybe compare minutes played you balloon. Griffiths has played more than Dembele and has less goals. Just making shampoo up now. Probably one of these carrots who thinks Griffiths is better. The fact that he’s the starting France u-21s striker means he’s worth at least £10m without kicking a ball right there. He’s hot property, teams just want him. Not because of how many goals he scored in Scotland, but because every carrot in England knows who he is and most want their teams to sign him. The 4 CL goals will have put him on the map, not to mention that performance against Zenit. £10m is insulting.
According to this site, you are the balloon my friend. Both Edouard and Griffiths score more frequently than Dembele. But what do I know, according to some folks I was the only Celtic fan in the world who liked Charlie Mulgrew, and the only one in the world, except a few thousand Hibs fans, who thinks Neil Lennon gor an excellent deal in Efe Ambrose. Not one person has given a logical answer as to why they think we would get (note would get, not would like to get) between 15m and 25m for Dembele. Some have even questioned paying less than half of that for Edouard, who has a superior scoring record. Edit. this is the link I meant to add. https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/scottish-premiership/top-scorers He's 21. He's a French under 21 internationalist on the cusp of the French full squad. He's scored in the Champions League and has scored in Cup Finals, semi finals and in big games for Celtic. He's also got considerable scoring form in the Championship in England at 18. He's heavily courted and scouted by a lot of top sides. He's quick, powerful with an eye for goal. He's got excellent strength and runs the channels and the front line brilliantly.
If you want to be incredibly shortsighted or frankly stupid to base it on a goal/minute comparison to other strikers you fire on ahead. I'll use my eyes . 10 million is insulting in this day and age for this boy and there's absolutely no effing way we would accept it.
Leicester City paid 25million for Ineanacho for Christ sake.
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3 May 2018, 09:47 PM
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Maybe compare minutes played you balloon. Griffiths has played more than Dembele and has less goals. Just making shampoo up now. Probably one of these carrots who thinks Griffiths is better. The fact that he’s the starting France u-21s striker means he’s worth at least £10m without kicking a ball right there. He’s hot property, teams just want him. Not because of how many goals he scored in Scotland, but because every carrot in England knows who he is and most want their teams to sign him. The 4 CL goals will have put him on the map, not to mention that performance against Zenit. £10m is insulting.
According to this site, you are the balloon my friend. Both Edouard and Griffiths score more frequently than Dembele. But what do I know, according to some folks I was the only Celtic fan in the world who liked Charlie Mulgrew, and the only one in the world, except a few thousand Hibs fans, who thinks Neil Lennon gor an excellent deal in Efe Ambrose. Not one person has given a logical answer as to why they think we would get (note would get, not would like to get) between 15m and 25m for Dembele. Some have even questioned paying less than half of that for Edouard, who has a superior scoring record. Edit. this is the link I meant to add. https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/scottish-premiership/top-scorers Because we don't sell our best players on the cheap. Because we have a great position in that we do not need to sell and he still has plenty of time on his contract. Because he will have plenty of clubs in for him which will only increase the price. Because he counts as home-grown to English clubs. Because he counts as home-grown to French clubs. Because he's showed his ability in Europe. Because he bangs them in for the French 21s. Because you'll struggle to find any forward his age anywhere with that sort of physical presence. Because managers don't burst in to the boardroom screaming "Get me the man that has the most goals in Scotland regardless of minutes played, injuries, all round game and potential right this minute but just in the league mind because the cups don't count"
12-13 Hooper was 5th top scorer miles behind Higdon with a year left on his deal and we still got 5, 6 million? Dembele is far younger, better, we're in a far stronger position financially and the market has boomed since then.
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3 May 2018, 09:51 PM
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Maybe compare minutes played you balloon. Griffiths has played more than Dembele and has less goals. Just making shampoo up now. Probably one of these carrots who thinks Griffiths is better. The fact that he’s the starting France u-21s striker means he’s worth at least £10m without kicking a ball right there. He’s hot property, teams just want him. Not because of how many goals he scored in Scotland, but because every carrot in England knows who he is and most want their teams to sign him. The 4 CL goals will have put him on the map, not to mention that performance against Zenit. £10m is insulting.
According to this site, you are the balloon my friend. Both Edouard and Griffiths score more frequently than Dembele. But what do I know, according to some folks I was the only Celtic fan in the world who liked Charlie Mulgrew, and the only one in the world, except a few thousand Hibs fans, who thinks Neil Lennon gor an excellent deal in Efe Ambrose. Not one person has given a logical answer as to why they think we would get (note would get, not would like to get) between 15m and 25m for Dembele. Some have even questioned paying less than half of that for Edouard, who has a superior scoring record. Edit. this is the link I meant to add. https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/scottish-premiership/top-scorers Oh you weren't joking. Really, as alluded above with Dembele you're paying for his potential he is 21 has scored 4 goals already in the champions league, banged them in last season , injury hit this season but he has played well when fit with a few exceptions. He is strong, can finish and can bully defenders, alot of teams would want that.
Ross McCormack has went for over 10 million twice playing in the championship and that was before even the stupid transfer money of the last season. Dembele is worth a lot more than that.
* I want Dembele to stay but unfortunately cannot see it.
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3 May 2018, 10:44 PM
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Maybe compare minutes played you balloon. Griffiths has played more than Dembele and has less goals. Just making shampoo up now. Probably one of these carrots who thinks Griffiths is better. The fact that he’s the starting France u-21s striker means he’s worth at least £10m without kicking a ball right there. He’s hot property, teams just want him. Not because of how many goals he scored in Scotland, but because every carrot in England knows who he is and most want their teams to sign him. The 4 CL goals will have put him on the map, not to mention that performance against Zenit. £10m is insulting.
According to this site, you are the balloon my friend. Both Edouard and Griffiths score more frequently than Dembele. But what do I know, according to some folks I was the only Celtic fan in the world who liked Charlie Mulgrew, and the only one in the world, except a few thousand Hibs fans, who thinks Neil Lennon gor an excellent deal in Efe Ambrose. Not one person has given a logical answer as to why they think we would get (note would get, not would like to get) between 15m and 25m for Dembele. Some have even questioned paying less than half of that for Edouard, who has a superior scoring record. Edit. this is the link I meant to add. https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/scottish-premiership/top-scorers This season is Edouards first of any note. We're now into Dembeles third with almost 150 games and near 70 goals to his name. He made his first team debut in 2013/14 in a League that is respected down south. He was also effective in that league.
Edouard has a total of 45 games and about a dozen goals. A lot of those appearances were as a sub and the vast majority in the SPFL.
The straight of it is, Dembele has proven more that Edouard has at this point and many people in football feel as if Moussa is ready for his next big challenge. That puts him in a certain price bracket for young strikers with his experience and potential. We'll get 20 mill relatively easily for him in the current climate.
We might one day get huge money for Edouard but in terms of market value, he is considerably behind his big mate.
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According to this site, you are the balloon my friend. Both Edouard and Griffiths score more frequently than Dembele. But what do I know, according to some folks I was the only Celtic fan in the world who liked Charlie Mulgrew, and the only one in the world, except a few thousand Hibs fans, who thinks Neil Lennon gor an excellent deal in Efe Ambrose. Not one person has given a logical answer as to why they think we would get (note would get, not would like to get) between 15m and 25m for Dembele. Some have even questioned paying less than half of that for Edouard, who has a superior scoring record. Edit. this is the link I meant to add. https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/scottish-premiership/top-scorers
He's 21. He's a French under 21 internationalist on the cusp of the French full squad. He's scored in the Champions League and has scored in Cup Finals, semi finals and in big games for Celtic. He's also got considerable scoring form in the Championship in England at 18. He's heavily courted and scouted by a lot of top sides. He's quick, powerful with an eye for goal. He's got excellent strength and runs the channels and the front line brilliantly. If you want to be incredibly shortsighted or frankly stupid to base it on a goal/minute comparison to other strikers you fire on ahead. I'll use my eyes . 10 million is insulting in this day and age for this boy and there's absolutely no effing way we would accept it. Leicester City paid 25million for Ineanacho for Christ sake. Personally I think using eyes over stats is what is incredibly stupid, but at least you presented a more logical response than your last one. And you HAVE used stats; number of caps; goals scored in big games etc. so fair play to you.
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3 May 2018, 11:37 PM
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According to this site, you are the balloon my friend. Both Edouard and Griffiths score more frequently than Dembele. But what do I know, according to some folks I was the only Celtic fan in the world who liked Charlie Mulgrew, and the only one in the world, except a few thousand Hibs fans, who thinks Neil Lennon gor an excellent deal in Efe Ambrose. Not one person has given a logical answer as to why they think we would get (note would get, not would like to get) between 15m and 25m for Dembele. Some have even questioned paying less than half of that for Edouard, who has a superior scoring record. Edit. this is the link I meant to add. https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/scottish-premiership/top-scorers
This season is Edouards first of any note. We're now into Dembeles third with almost 150 games and near 70 goals to his name. He made his first team debut in 2013/14 in a League that is respected down south. He was also effective in that league. Edouard has a total of 45 games and about a dozen goals. A lot of those appearances were as a sub and the vast majority in the SPFL. The straight of it is, Dembele has proven more that Edouard has at this point and many people in football feel as if Moussa is ready for his next big challenge. That puts him in a certain price bracket for young strikers with his experience and potential. We'll get 20 mill relatively easily for him in the current climate. We might one day get huge money for Edouard but in terms of market value, he is considerably behind his big mate. I hope you are right because I want to see Celtic get the most money possible for him. It is just my opinion that we won't get as much as many people on this thread seem to think we will.
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