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Squad; Post-transfer window discussion
Topic Started: 14 Nov 2017, 03:50 PM (112,501 Views)
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Hail!Hail!
19 Apr 2018, 07:03 PM
tinytim81
19 Apr 2018, 09:31 AM
gary1888
19 Apr 2018, 09:28 AM
The chat about McGinn is irritating he is no where near the level ntcham is currently and he’s only going to get better.
We'll have Ntcham for one more season at most. We need to think about getting some players in for the long haul.
So we should sign inferior players because they'll stay for ages?

Bizarre mindset.
There needs to be a balance. Guys like Ntcham, Dembele, Van Dijk, Wanyama are great but if we only signed players who - let's be honest - we're hoping to cash in on eventually, we'd never get anywhere. Even the world's best teams need an element on continuity to reach their potential.

Doesn't mean we have to sign any old pish - but potential longevity at the club should absolutely be a factor in our recruitment.

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19 Apr 2018, 07:03 PM
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19 Apr 2018, 09:31 AM
gary1888
19 Apr 2018, 09:28 AM
The chat about McGinn is irritating he is no where near the level ntcham is currently and he’s only going to get better.
We'll have Ntcham for one more season at most. We need to think about getting some players in for the long haul.
So we should sign inferior players because they'll stay for ages?

Bizarre mindset.
We need permanence and he's a good player, potentially a great one.
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19 Apr 2018, 07:21 PM
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19 Apr 2018, 07:03 PM
tinytim81
19 Apr 2018, 09:31 AM

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So we should sign inferior players because they'll stay for ages?

Bizarre mindset.
There needs to be a balance. Guys like Ntcham, Dembele, Van Dijk, Wanyama are great but if we only signed players who - let's be honest - we're hoping to cash in on eventually, we'd never get anywhere. Even the world's best teams need an element on continuity to reach their potential.

Doesn't mean we have to sign any old pish - but potential longevity at the club should absolutely be a factor in our recruitment.

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remy mcswain
19 Apr 2018, 04:07 PM
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19 Apr 2018, 02:43 PM
gary1888
19 Apr 2018, 09:28 AM
The chat about McGinn is irritating he is no where near the level ntcham is currently and he’s only going to get better.
Different player to Ntcham so I wouldn't compare the two. He's more like Brown. Is McGinn a better player now than Brown was at the same age?
No.

Nowhere near it.
This.
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19 Apr 2018, 07:21 PM
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19 Apr 2018, 07:03 PM
tinytim81
19 Apr 2018, 09:31 AM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deep
So we should sign inferior players because they'll stay for ages?

Bizarre mindset.
There needs to be a balance. Guys like Ntcham, Dembele, Van Dijk, Wanyama are great but if we only signed players who - let's be honest - we're hoping to cash in on eventually, we'd never get anywhere. Even the world's best teams need an element on continuity to reach their potential.

Doesn't mean we have to sign any old pish - but potential longevity at the club should absolutely be a factor in our recruitment.

No one good enough for the level we want will stay at club long term in the current climate unless they are a Celtic fan or some freak situation like us rescuing their career.

So that leaves signing inferior players like McGinn or going with 2-3 year cycles with the likes of N'tcham & Dembele.

We can produce better players than McGinn from our youth system already, its up to us to improve it further to ensure more come through.
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19 Apr 2018, 03:00 PM
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19 Apr 2018, 02:46 PM
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19 Apr 2018, 02:43 PM

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I know a few Hibs fans and all of them think, while McGinn is a decent player, Broony was a much better player at the same age.
Slightly surprised by that - I would've expected them to overstate McGinn's abilities just because he's their player at the minute. Not to claim that he's as good as Brown (now or then) but I think we underestimate McGinn
The Hibs fans I know are an honest bunch. They'd love us to sign McGinn in the hope that we'd pay over the odds for him and don't mind telling me that.
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I feel like the McGinn chat is borne out of a desire to see young local players who could fill Brown's shoes but aren't really based in any reality. He's been a good player for Hibs this season but, the truth is, McGeough has done more for them in what was supposed to be McGinn's breakthrough season. And nobody is clambering for us to sign McGeough.

I get the argument that we can't have a team filled with young players who're part of the '2 season plan' but I would be surprised if McGinn made the cut based on when I've seen him this season. Barring one game against us where he did really well I've not been taken aback by him. I reckon we will see a Scottish player or 2 this summer but it'll be more like the Hendry transfer where we didn't see it coming.
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In the past BR has said he likes to work with squad of 23 players. As we have 35 including loans at the moment there will be fair bit of trimming. Assuming we play 4-2-3-1 then that's more or less two per position.

GK: Bain to sign DDV to leave and Hazard on season long loan

FB: Lustig and Teirney to remain with decisions to me made about Ralston/Miller. Gamboa to leave.

CB: Ajer, Boyata, Hendry , Jozo, Commper. One to leave no replacements unless more leave

DMF: Brown, Ntcham, Kouasi, Bitton and Benyu. Bitton might leave and probably not replaced

Wing: Forrest, Roberts, Hayes, Sinclair, Morgan. Roberts is big unknown but we definitely missed him against teams that park the bus.

To go (fire sale): Alan, C, Svianchenco, Ciftci

10: Armstrong, Rogic, Christie, McGregor, Musonda

CF: Dembele, Edouard, Griff. Expect Dembele will go if he gets right offer and Edouard will sign.



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Every time I have seen Hibs (not that often I admit) the McGeough looks better than Mcginn and he wasn't good enough.
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McGinn would, IMO be another Willow flood type signing. Though not as bad a player as WF McGinn is way overrated.
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19 Apr 2018, 09:31 AM

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So we should sign inferior players because they'll stay for ages?

Bizarre mindset.
We need permanence and he's a good player, potentially a great one.
Is he eff.
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20 Apr 2018, 08:33 AM
In the past BR has said he likes to work with squad of 23 players. As we have 35 including loans at the moment there will be fair bit of trimming. Assuming we play 4-2-3-1 then that's more or less two per position.

GK: Bain to sign DDV to leave and Hazard on season long loan

FB: Lustig and Teirney to remain with decisions to me made about Ralston/Miller. Gamboa to leave.

CB: Ajer, Boyata, Hendry , Jozo, Commper. One to leave no replacements unless more leave

DMF: Brown, Ntcham, Kouasi, Bitton and Benyu. Bitton might leave and probably not replaced

Wing: Forrest, Roberts, Hayes, Sinclair, Morgan. Roberts is big unknown but we definitely missed him against teams that park the bus.

To go (fire sale): Alan, C, Svianchenco, Ciftci

10: Armstrong, Rogic, Christie, McGregor, Musonda

CF: Dembele, Edouard, Griff. Expect Dembele will go if he gets right offer and Edouard will sign.



If we go into next season with that line up of centre halves we'll get horsed in Europe again. Jozo and Boyata want to leave by all accounts and given that Compper can't even get on the bench, I wouldn't be surprised if we cut our losses with him too. That will mean at least two have to come in.
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McGinn is bang average, thankfully it looks like BR agrees
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BR has no interest in McGinn and thank god for that, aye we could sign him and he could be here for 5/6 years but I’d rather have 2 years of a ntcham or wanayama with 3 different players than have McGinn. He is older than brown when we brought broony in and he’s still nowhere near the levels of broony at that age.
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20 Apr 2018, 09:13 AM
McGinn is bang average, thankfully it looks like BR agrees
Hibs were supposed to have offered him round clubs in January and BR had no interest. His contract is up next season so that'll probably be him and McGeouch away, they rate him at 3-4 million but they'll be lucky to see half of that.
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In the past BR has said he likes to work with squad of 23 players. As we have 35 including loans at the moment there will be fair bit of trimming. Assuming we play 4-2-3-1 then that's more or less two per position.

GK: Bain to sign DDV to leave and Hazard on season long loan

FB: Lustig and Teirney to remain with decisions to me made about Ralston/Miller. Gamboa to leave.

CB: Ajer, Boyata, Hendry , Jozo, Commper. One to leave no replacements unless more leave

DMF: Brown, Ntcham, Kouasi, Bitton and Benyu. Bitton might leave and probably not replaced

Wing: Forrest, Roberts, Hayes, Sinclair, Morgan. Roberts is big unknown but we definitely missed him against teams that park the bus.

To go (fire sale): Alan, C, Svianchenco, Ciftci

10: Armstrong, Rogic, Christie, McGregor, Musonda

CF: Dembele, Edouard, Griff. Expect Dembele will go if he gets right offer and Edouard will sign.



If we go into next season with that line up of centre halves we'll get horsed in Europe again. Jozo and Boyata want to leave by all accounts and given that Compper can't even get on the bench, I wouldn't be surprised if we cut our losses with him too. That will mean at least two have to come in.
You could be right. I think Jozo will definitely leave. I think we will try to sign someone if Boyata leaves. Not sure he will as he has been first pick. Compper will only be judged after a full pre-season plus. Obviously we dont see him in tarining. I thought he did OK the one time I saw him.
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20 Apr 2018, 10:37 AM
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jbrown1964
20 Apr 2018, 08:33 AM
In the past BR has said he likes to work with squad of 23 players. As we have 35 including loans at the moment there will be fair bit of trimming. Assuming we play 4-2-3-1 then that's more or less two per position.

GK: Bain to sign DDV to leave and Hazard on season long loan

FB: Lustig and Teirney to remain with decisions to me made about Ralston/Miller. Gamboa to leave.

CB: Ajer, Boyata, Hendry , Jozo, Commper. One to leave no replacements unless more leave

DMF: Brown, Ntcham, Kouasi, Bitton and Benyu. Bitton might leave and probably not replaced

Wing: Forrest, Roberts, Hayes, Sinclair, Morgan. Roberts is big unknown but we definitely missed him against teams that park the bus.

To go (fire sale): Alan, C, Svianchenco, Ciftci

10: Armstrong, Rogic, Christie, McGregor, Musonda

CF: Dembele, Edouard, Griff. Expect Dembele will go if he gets right offer and Edouard will sign.



If we go into next season with that line up of centre halves we'll get horsed in Europe again. Jozo and Boyata want to leave by all accounts and given that Compper can't even get on the bench, I wouldn't be surprised if we cut our losses with him too. That will mean at least two have to come in.
You could be right. I think Jozo will definitely leave. I think we will try to sign someone if Boyata leaves. Not sure he will as he has been first pick. Compper will only be judged after a full pre-season plus. Obviously we dont see him in tarining. I thought he did OK the one time I saw him.
Compper has already been judged. Allegedly.
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20 Apr 2018, 08:43 AM
McGinn would, IMO be another Willow flood type signing. Though not as bad a player as WF McGinn is way overrated.
Too far. McGinn is far better than that wee knob.
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If we absolutely had to sign a centre mid from another SPL side, I'd be tempted to take a punt on Kamara at Dundee over McGinn.

Neither would be anywhere near first choice (and for the avoidance of doubt I don't actually want us to sign either), but I'd guess Kamara would be a lot cheaper and he's looked half decent on the few times I've seen him.
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There looks to be a real possibility of losing Armstrong, Rogic, Roberts. The idea of replacing them with Christie, Morgan and McGinn is scary. We'd still be ahead of the huns but I dread thinking about the qualifiers.

That's just the midfield. I think Moussa will go and Eduoard is not guaranteed so we'd need one first team ready striker plus another squad player and the defence needs upgrading as well. Next window could be torture.
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