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The Media
Topic Started: 1 Nov 2017, 11:12 PM (581,125 Views)
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Ned Rise
20 Feb 2018, 03:42 PM
dazabhoy67
20 Feb 2018, 01:14 PM
Apart from the toilet cleaners and the admin staff, eff them.

Working for the rags, is morally one of the worst jobs going.

You know you're editor boss is controlled by his/her editor boss, who is deciding and pushing the narrative, which has been passed down from his/her boss, which just happens to coincide with a certain corporation or political parties agenda.

Day after day, lying to the population, telling them what to believe, what to accept, what they should be ok with and what they should be disliking. Keeping certain stories off the front pages or out of the media all together. Moving stories off the front pages quicker because the story doesn't sit right with the guests that frequent the top dogs, after dinner circuits.

The journalist at the bottom, just looking for click bait stories and accepting "its just how it works", knowing the agenda being pushed is what's wrong with this country, are as guilty as the ones at the top, who attend the meetings at Downing Street/Dinners for a select few politicians and important corporation heads.
Is it really 'morally one of the worst jobs going'?

What about the people who work in industries that make bombs? The shipbuilders putting together warships? The nuclear industry? The people who work in factories that will put contaminated food on your plate? The people who work in companies so big you don't even know their name, who work in global projects that will cause instability, death and destruction. Right from their Glasgow office.

What about the people who work in retail outlets selling garments made from what is essentially slave labour or child exploitation? How do farmers treat the animals end up on your plate on a table built by someone whose company has decimated forests?

The international salesman and his global footprint as he jets around the world? The council worker whose bosses are taking jollies everywhere, who pander to bigots for votes. The barman whose product kills people, the same with the shop selling fags.

Unless you're at Amnesty or Greenpeace or you have your own ethically sound venture on the go, there will be some moral questions to be asked when your wage goes into the bank.

Probably my last post on the subject. My main point was about the gloating and the worth of a free press, whether you agree with some content, or even despise it.

This illustrates, maybe, the importance...

Grenfell

And the blogger (new media replacement) who wasn't read until it was too late. Grenfell2

Last point, social media was full of stories about how the amount of dead were being deliberately suppressed to avoid social unrest, not helped by local celebs jumping on the bandwagon. The total, rather than ending up a lot more than the initial estimate, IIRC, ended up being less.

But people only want the facts, they always say.



Saying the DR won't be missed should not be equated with wishing the demise of all MSM. And by the same token, cherry picking bad social media does not mean it is all bad either.
Quite simply both the MSM and social media have bad outlets and good outlets. I know how I would categorise the DR.
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20 Feb 2018, 02:29 PM
Regarding the Liam Miller headline if you look at the Twitter fallout/explanation/apology it was a Mirror headline that was used in the Record. It was then changed in the Record and an apology was issued (although the original headline remained in the Mirror).

After demanding it was changed, which quickly happened, a lot of Celtic fans then repeatedly posted a screengrab of the headline on various Twitter stories. Was it more important to get the headline changed over concern that a family member might see it and be upset, or was it more important to republish the offending headline for the continuation of the outrage on their behalf?



They’re not mutually exclusive
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That Pep -- he's no Big Jock! :worthy:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/feb/20/attempting-to-engage-a-professional-athlete-in-the-throwing-of-hands
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Roger Hannah doing Aberdeens team talk, Time for Niall McGinn to remind everyone why McInnes brought him back after his South Korean misadventure.
Time for Gary Mackay-Steven to prove to Rodgers he was wrong to flog him to the Dons last summer.
And time for Adam Rooney or Stevie May to show they’re more than just flat-track bullies who score most of their goals against bottom-six sides.

Dons' best chance Aberdeen will NEVER have a better chance of ending their losing run against Celtic than this Sunday at Pittodrie, says Roger Hannah
The Dons' run against Brendan Rodgers' side is woeful, so too their three straight defeats to Rangers this term
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Matthew Lindsay in Evening Times

"Rangers moved within nine points of their city rivals with a 5-2 thrashing of Hamilton"

Accurate sentence save for just the three errors:
It IS 9 points...not within
It was 5-3
It wasn't a thrashing
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21 Feb 2018, 08:16 AM
Matthew Lindsay in Evening Times

"Rangers moved within nine points of their city rivals with a 5-2 thrashing of Hamilton"

Accurate sentence save for just the three errors:
It IS 9 points...not within
It was 5-3
It wasn't a thrashing
4. They aren't our rivals.
5. They aren't Rangers.

:)
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I'll go for it being Aberdeen and Hearts at home.

SPFL face post-split fixture chaos as Rangers have already played rest of top six at home twice
If the top six stays as it is then two clubs will have to travel to Ibrox three times this season.
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21 Feb 2018, 12:22 AM
Fivers da mannn :clap:
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21 Feb 2018, 08:24 AM
I'll go for it being Aberdeen and Hearts at home.

SPFL face post-split fixture chaos as Rangers have already played rest of top six at home twice
If the top six stays as it is then two clubs will have to travel to Ibrox three times this season.
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get rid of the split then ;)
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21 Feb 2018, 10:24 AM
Gothamcelt
21 Feb 2018, 08:24 AM
I'll go for it being Aberdeen and Hearts at home.

SPFL face post-split fixture chaos as Rangers have already played rest of top six at home twice
If the top six stays as it is then two clubs will have to travel to Ibrox three times this season.
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get rid of the split then ;)
The split is shampoo anyway.
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16 Feb 2018, 05:12 PM
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16 Feb 2018, 05:05 PM
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16 Feb 2018, 03:16 PM
There are few enough outlets that offer a variety of different news and opinions in Scotland
If these outlets really did offer what you suggest then arguably there might be some ray of hope, and perhaps even a shred of sympathy.

But when you have a largely unregulated industry full of piss poor managers employing a short sighted strategy with a culturally backward approach to the value of real news and worthwhile opinion then they fully deserve their fate.
Is that what's happening in the global printed media then, all piss poor managers with a culturally backward approach to the value of real news and worthwhile opinion?

Even Theresa May had recognised that local and national newspapers are essential to a democracy.

Probably quite a few folk on this board that have seen these papers campaign for their jobs and their health.

I doubt anyone would expect much in the way of solidarity etc, but folk gloating is a bit of a stretch tbh.
Theresa May wouldn't recognise democracy if it slapped her in the face.

Brexit result in Scotland and the North shows that.

Can't believe anyone on here would use that carrots words as proof of anything. She's a Tory, therefore she's a lying bastard like the rest.

eff the rags btw, not fit for purpose.
Edited by Jackie was my hero, 21 Feb 2018, 11:03 AM.
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Jackie was my hero
21 Feb 2018, 11:02 AM
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16 Feb 2018, 05:12 PM
qualitystreetkid
16 Feb 2018, 05:05 PM

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Is that what's happening in the global printed media then, all piss poor managers with a culturally backward approach to the value of real news and worthwhile opinion?

Even Theresa May had recognised that local and national newspapers are essential to a democracy.

Probably quite a few folk on this board that have seen these papers campaign for their jobs and their health.

I doubt anyone would expect much in the way of solidarity etc, but folk gloating is a bit of a stretch tbh.
Theresa May wouldn't recognise democracy if it slapped her in the face.

Brexit result in Scotland and the North shows that.

Can't believe anyone on here would use that carrots words as proof of anything. She's a Tory, therefore she's a lying bastard like the rest.

eff the rags btw, not fit for purpose.
Yeah, eff the rags like the *checks list* East Lothian News?
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Jackie was my hero
21 Feb 2018, 11:02 AM
Ned Rise
16 Feb 2018, 05:12 PM
qualitystreetkid
16 Feb 2018, 05:05 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deep
Is that what's happening in the global printed media then, all piss poor managers with a culturally backward approach to the value of real news and worthwhile opinion?

Even Theresa May had recognised that local and national newspapers are essential to a democracy.

Probably quite a few folk on this board that have seen these papers campaign for their jobs and their health.

I doubt anyone would expect much in the way of solidarity etc, but folk gloating is a bit of a stretch tbh.
Theresa May wouldn't recognise democracy if it slapped her in the face.

Brexit result in Scotland and the North shows that.

Can't believe anyone on here would use that carrots words as proof of anything. She's a Tory, therefore she's a lying bastard like the rest.

eff the rags btw, not fit for purpose.
The word 'even' before her name gives a clue as to what I think about her.

Who said anything about proof? But her comments did spark this discussion on the BBC World Service last night, which I thought was quite interesting. From about 26 minutes in.

Advance warning... someone agrees with the carrot's comments if you can stomach such a thing.

World Service
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Ok then I'll say anecdotal evidence.

eff May and the horse she rode in on.
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20 Feb 2018, 03:42 PM
dazabhoy67
20 Feb 2018, 01:14 PM
Apart from the toilet cleaners and the admin staff, eff them.

Working for the rags, is morally one of the worst jobs going.

You know you're editor boss is controlled by his/her editor boss, who is deciding and pushing the narrative, which has been passed down from his/her boss, which just happens to coincide with a certain corporation or political parties agenda.

Day after day, lying to the population, telling them what to believe, what to accept, what they should be ok with and what they should be disliking. Keeping certain stories off the front pages or out of the media all together. Moving stories off the front pages quicker because the story doesn't sit right with the guests that frequent the top dogs, after dinner circuits.

The journalist at the bottom, just looking for click bait stories and accepting "its just how it works", knowing the agenda being pushed is what's wrong with this country, are as guilty as the ones at the top, who attend the meetings at Downing Street/Dinners for a select few politicians and important corporation heads.
Is it really 'morally one of the worst jobs going'?

What about the people who work in industries that make bombs? The shipbuilders putting together warships? The nuclear industry? The people who work in factories that will put contaminated food on your plate? The people who work in companies so big you don't even know their name, who work in global projects that will cause instability, death and destruction. Right from their Glasgow office.

What about the people who work in retail outlets selling garments made from what is essentially slave labour or child exploitation? How do farmers treat the animals end up on your plate on a table built by someone whose company has decimated forests?

The international salesman and his global footprint as he jets around the world? The council worker whose bosses are taking jollies everywhere, who pander to bigots for votes. The barman whose product kills people, the same with the shop selling fags.

Unless you're at Amnesty or Greenpeace or you have your own ethically sound venture on the go, there will be some moral questions to be asked when your wage goes into the bank.

Probably my last post on the subject. My main point was about the gloating and the worth of a free press, whether you agree with some content, or even despise it.

This illustrates, maybe, the importance...

Grenfell

And the blogger (new media replacement) who wasn't read until it was too late. Grenfell2

Last point, social media was full of stories about how the amount of dead were being deliberately suppressed to avoid social unrest, not helped by local celebs jumping on the bandwagon. The total, rather than ending up a lot more than the initial estimate, IIRC, ended up being less.

But people only want the facts, they always say.



They play as key a role as any of those mentioned, without their painting of "the facts", there may not be the government of "choice" or support for certain policies/actions.
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21 Feb 2018, 12:40 PM
Ned Rise
20 Feb 2018, 03:42 PM
dazabhoy67
20 Feb 2018, 01:14 PM
Apart from the toilet cleaners and the admin staff, eff them.

Working for the rags, is morally one of the worst jobs going.

You know you're editor boss is controlled by his/her editor boss, who is deciding and pushing the narrative, which has been passed down from his/her boss, which just happens to coincide with a certain corporation or political parties agenda.

Day after day, lying to the population, telling them what to believe, what to accept, what they should be ok with and what they should be disliking. Keeping certain stories off the front pages or out of the media all together. Moving stories off the front pages quicker because the story doesn't sit right with the guests that frequent the top dogs, after dinner circuits.

The journalist at the bottom, just looking for click bait stories and accepting "its just how it works", knowing the agenda being pushed is what's wrong with this country, are as guilty as the ones at the top, who attend the meetings at Downing Street/Dinners for a select few politicians and important corporation heads.
Is it really 'morally one of the worst jobs going'?

What about the people who work in industries that make bombs? The shipbuilders putting together warships? The nuclear industry? The people who work in factories that will put contaminated food on your plate? The people who work in companies so big you don't even know their name, who work in global projects that will cause instability, death and destruction. Right from their Glasgow office.

What about the people who work in retail outlets selling garments made from what is essentially slave labour or child exploitation? How do farmers treat the animals end up on your plate on a table built by someone whose company has decimated forests?

The international salesman and his global footprint as he jets around the world? The council worker whose bosses are taking jollies everywhere, who pander to bigots for votes. The barman whose product kills people, the same with the shop selling fags.

Unless you're at Amnesty or Greenpeace or you have your own ethically sound venture on the go, there will be some moral questions to be asked when your wage goes into the bank.

Probably my last post on the subject. My main point was about the gloating and the worth of a free press, whether you agree with some content, or even despise it.

This illustrates, maybe, the importance...

Grenfell

And the blogger (new media replacement) who wasn't read until it was too late. Grenfell2

Last point, social media was full of stories about how the amount of dead were being deliberately suppressed to avoid social unrest, not helped by local celebs jumping on the bandwagon. The total, rather than ending up a lot more than the initial estimate, IIRC, ended up being less.

But people only want the facts, they always say.



They play as key a role as any of those mentioned, without their painting of "the facts", there may not be the government of "choice" or support for certain policies/actions.
Well, I'm sure there are lots of data services and news agencies that will give you the bare bones of things that happen and some numbers to play with.

The point was, you said it was morally one of the worst jobs going. If we're interested in facts, I don't think that was one.
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The herald doing a despicable piece on Brendan's wife's ex man
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The herald doing a despicable piece on Brendan's wife's ex man
I know.
I've no idea why this is news. Ghoulishly peering into the private life of a poor guy whos tenuously linked to the current Celtic manager.
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Was looking at stuff about the Jungle there and happened upon Jim 'James' Traynor's piece about the final game against Dundee.

Started off pretty well but fell into a diatribe about rebel songs and violence. Token mention that the Huns are bad too. Then a rambling diatribe.

carrot then. carrot now. carrot forever.
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20 Feb 2018, 12:34 PM

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Here a non football related article currently on the DR that demonstrates that it's basically lifted from The Sun.. "A source told the Sun"

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That'll be a Sun story, lifted by the Press Association, then taken by the Daily Mirror (Lucy Buckland is a Mirror writer), and then reproduced in the Record online. This is what I mean about handing social media to weans - why would you advertise your chief rival??? What a beamer for the Record.

20 years ago that would have earned you a rinsing from the chief sub but now it just gets churned out. An old story which bigs up The Sun.
The only mention you'd get was when they had better transfer info or the like.

'Romanian crack Daniel Prodan will today complete his £5m move to the glorious. The deal IS ON, despite what you may have seen reported in a downmarket English gutter rag tabloid on Thursday.'
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