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Ned Rise
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20 Feb 2018, 02:53 PM
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Large swathes of the population have lost all faith in the press, and with good reason. The rise of social media is obviously playing a huge part in the decline but a lack of integrity at the core of the industry - in my opinion - is the major factor. Once the readers started having more convenient options, the fall was inevitable.
A loyal readership has to be earned. Most of the papers gave up on that notion decades ago, banking on the fact there was no other show in town. Now there is and they have no cards left to play.
What is the other show in town? On the "says a source at the Sun", all the websites do this. Guardian, Daily Mail, Sun, Mirror, Record... Regarding the Liam Miller headline if you look at the Twitter fallout/explanation/apology it was a Mirror headline that was used in the Record. It was then changed in the Record and an apology was issued (although the original headline remained in the Mirror). After demanding it was changed, which quickly happened, a lot of Celtic fans then repeatedly posted a screengrab of the headline on various Twitter stories. Was it more important to get the headline changed over concern that a family member might see it and be upset, or was it more important to republish the offending headline for the continuation of the outrage on their behalf?
New media. Whether it carries fake news or not, it's where people are going. I read two articles on Yahoo news today alone. I haven't mentioned the Liam Miller headline so not sure why you're bringing it up. I'm making a wider point. The public have lost faith in the newspaper industry (or at least a large section have). They'll never be able to claw that back because people have more options now regards where they get their information. More options to get their information, even if by your own words it's fake.
I wasn't suggesting you had mentioned anything about Liam Miller. I rolled a few things into one post to save making lots of single posts, as I thought would be pretty evident by the post also mention the 'according to the Sun...'.
I guess not.
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20 Feb 2018, 02:55 PM
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Large swathes of the population have lost all faith in the press, and with good reason. The rise of social media is obviously playing a huge part in the decline but a lack of integrity at the core of the industry - in my opinion - is the major factor. Once the readers started having more convenient options, the fall was inevitable.
A loyal readership has to be earned. Most of the papers gave up on that notion decades ago, banking on the fact there was no other show in town. Now there is and they have no cards left to play.
What is the other show in town? On the "says a source at the Sun", all the websites do this. Guardian, Daily Mail, Sun, Mirror, Record... Regarding the Liam Miller headline if you look at the Twitter fallout/explanation/apology it was a Mirror headline that was used in the Record. It was then changed in the Record and an apology was issued (although the original headline remained in the Mirror). After demanding it was changed, which quickly happened, a lot of Celtic fans then repeatedly posted a screengrab of the headline on various Twitter stories. Was it more important to get the headline changed over concern that a family member might see it and be upset, or was it more important to republish the offending headline for the continuation of the outrage on their behalf?
New media. Whether it carries fake news or not, it's where people are going. I read two articles on Yahoo news today alone. I haven't mentioned the Liam Miller headline so not sure why you're bringing it up. I'm making a wider point. The public have lost faith in the newspaper industry (or at least a large section have). They'll never be able to claw that back because people have more options now regards where they get their information. I'm not so sure that a loss in faith is through poor journalism, tabloid opinion or who a journo might or might not support.
The accelerated loss in faith coincides with the growth of social media and the fragmentation of news sources, the availability of any sort of news from anywhere in the world. Start an account, build up enough following and you become a source for news. Red tops, speadsheets, bloggers, whatever and wherever. News is now everywhere, everything is now news and people are taking in news from more sources than ever before.
Most publishers will have 80-90%+ of their entire online traffic coming from mobile phones, and more than 2/3'ds of that will be via social referrals.
Gone are the days when we had 4 TV channels, and a raft of newspapers, to get what info we wanted. Now there's more routes to find whatever news you want than ever before. That dilution is the predominant reason for this existing race to the bottom by red tops writing about any old shampooe to get people reading the site.
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20 Feb 2018, 02:56 PM
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- 20 Feb 2018, 12:49 PM
The Record is a horrible paper that relies on Celtic & Rangers (new one) fans buying it yet they at different points slaughter both clubs to varying degrees.
Unfortunately our press media is most Hun inclined with a few Tims but vast majority of editors, sports editors and subs are Huns.
The Sun/ Der Hun is just as bad with Devlin & MacDonald (both majorly bitter Huns believe you me) with a major disdain for Celtic. That’s a pretty well known FACT.
Then you have Ralston & Scott McDermott at Record/SM.
Off top of my head over last 20 odd years 4 incidents @ Record stopped me buying it or reading on line –
Hearse turning up at Celtic Park (90’s) Thugs & Thieves (early 00’s) “Big Jocks Crew” (2011/12 ish) The Most hated man at Ibrox (Lenny when manager)
The Jock slur I actually phoned up to complain it was so crass and disgusting. Stop buying them all after Big Jock crew slur.
How would you access this information?
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20 Feb 2018, 02:56 PM
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- 20 Feb 2018, 02:52 PM
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- 20 Feb 2018, 02:03 PM
They've changed it. No they haven't. The tweet originally said that. I see the story still does. Apologies.
Incidentally it's another story which credits the Sun
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20 Feb 2018, 03:02 PM
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- Ned Rise
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- 20 Feb 2018, 02:29 PM
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New media. Whether it carries fake news or not, it's where people are going. I read two articles on Yahoo news today alone. I haven't mentioned the Liam Miller headline so not sure why you're bringing it up. I'm making a wider point. The public have lost faith in the newspaper industry (or at least a large section have). They'll never be able to claw that back because people have more options now regards where they get their information.
More options to get their information, even if by your own words it's fake. I wasn't suggesting you had mentioned anything about Liam Miller. I rolled a few things into one post to save making lots of single posts, as I thought would be pretty evident by the post also mention the 'according to the Sun...'. I guess not. More options to get their information, even if by your own words it's fake.
Some of it's fake, but not all of it. Anyone with a bit of common sense checks a few sources before forming an opinion.
I don't see much distinction between fake stories in the Facebook news feed and some of the garbage published by newspapers over the last few decades. Lies are lies whether you read them online or you read them in a paper.
That's not to say there aren't good journalists though.
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20 Feb 2018, 03:05 PM
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Listening to the Sportsound podcast from last night gave an insight into the hun mindset that pervades the BBC sports department. The question was, "Do we now have a title race?" Michael Stewart scoffed at the question, saying how can we ask that when Celtic actually increased their lead at the weekend. But Kenny Mac was having none of that, insisting it was a legitimate question. Chick Young and James McFadden both thought not yet, but it was interesting to hear that a title race is only a title race when the zombies are second. I was hoping Stewart would make that connection but he didn't.
To then listen to McIntyre try to manufacture an issue out of Brendan's observation that Tommy Wright must be frustrated that his team can play like they did on Sunday but not have won since December 16 when they beat Rangers was just amazing. He compared it to Levein having a go at Scott Brown and accused Rodgers of hypocrisy. A piece of work is our Kenny.
It was a point worth discussing. I can't go "Mikey" to be honest. He gets credit for being forthright but he's a real try-hard. Last night was a good example; He really thought he was onto something especially contrary and clever when he wasn't. He just kept repeating it over and over. He's a dumb dumb.
It was a point worth discussing? Really? "Mikey" is a "dumb dumb" in a panel consisting of Kenny McIntyre, Chick Young and James (Of course I'd play for Rangers) McFadden? Really? Welcome aboard. You'll fit right in. Yea it was. We're all saying it on here, our form has dipped and we just dropped points to St.Johnstone so aye, it was worthy of discussion. As for Mikey; I stand by what I said. Rarely does he say anything of any use yet he's heralded as a quality pundit purely because he "tells it like it is" and "doesn't hold back". Gie us peace.
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20 Feb 2018, 03:05 PM
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Why is it that Rob McLean saying that we have nothing to worry about only makes me MORE worried?
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Do Celtic face a serious title challenge? They drew at home to St Johnstone on Sunday, have picked up only one Premiership point out of a possible six this month and would be only six in front if they lose at Aberdeen this Sunday.
In answer to my original question, I think not. When Brendan Rodgers' Celtic team is asked a key question by domestic opposition, they tend to come up with the right answer.
http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/43116215
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20 Feb 2018, 03:07 PM
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- 20 Feb 2018, 02:29 PM
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New media. Whether it carries fake news or not, it's where people are going. I read two articles on Yahoo news today alone. I haven't mentioned the Liam Miller headline so not sure why you're bringing it up. I'm making a wider point. The public have lost faith in the newspaper industry (or at least a large section have). They'll never be able to claw that back because people have more options now regards where they get their information.
I'm not so sure that a loss in faith is through poor journalism, tabloid opinion or who a journo might or might not support. The accelerated loss in faith coincides with the growth of social media and the fragmentation of news sources, the availability of any sort of news from anywhere in the world. Start an account, build up enough following and you become a source for news. Red tops, speadsheets, bloggers, whatever and wherever. News is now everywhere, everything is now news and people are taking in news from more sources than ever before. Most publishers will have 80-90%+ of their entire online traffic coming from mobile phones, and more than 2/3'ds of that will be via social referrals. Gone are the days when we had 4 TV channels, and a raft of newspapers, to get what info we wanted. Now there's more routes to find whatever news you want than ever before. That dilution is the predominant reason for this existing race to the bottom by red tops writing about any old shampooe to get people reading the site. You're probably right. The rise of new media turns people away from the old. KDS is a good example. Post 2004 most Celtic fans only got their information from the Record. It had a major hold over the opinions of the Celtic support.
Now we see them as a desperate rag because access to a counter narrative is easily accessible. They can't compete with that.
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20 Feb 2018, 03:11 PM
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Why is it that Rob McLean saying that we have nothing to worry about only makes me MORE worried? - Quote:
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Do Celtic face a serious title challenge? They drew at home to St Johnstone on Sunday, have picked up only one Premiership point out of a possible six this month and would be only six in front if they lose at Aberdeen this Sunday.
In answer to my original question, I think not. When Brendan Rodgers' Celtic team is asked a key question by domestic opposition, they tend to come up with the right answer. http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/43116215 Relax. We're not going to lose to Aberdeen.
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20 Feb 2018, 03:11 PM
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They've changed it. No they haven't. It's still there !
Spoiler: click to toggle HomeSportFootballRoss County FC
Ross County star Michael Gardyne 'filmed performing sex act in dressing room' as club launch probe
Former Celtic midfielder Gardyne admits he acted like an "idiot" after the X-rated clip appeared online.
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20 Feb 2018, 03:17 PM
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I'm not so sure that a loss in faith is through poor journalism, tabloid opinion or who a journo might or might not support. The accelerated loss in faith coincides with the growth of social media and the fragmentation of news sources, the availability of any sort of news from anywhere in the world. Start an account, build up enough following and you become a source for news. Red tops, speadsheets, bloggers, whatever and wherever. News is now everywhere, everything is now news and people are taking in news from more sources than ever before. Most publishers will have 80-90%+ of their entire online traffic coming from mobile phones, and more than 2/3'ds of that will be via social referrals. Gone are the days when we had 4 TV channels, and a raft of newspapers, to get what info we wanted. Now there's more routes to find whatever news you want than ever before. That dilution is the predominant reason for this existing race to the bottom by red tops writing about any old shampooe to get people reading the site.
You're probably right. The rise of new media turns people away from the old. KDS is a good example. Post 2004 most Celtic fans only got their information from the Record. It had a major hold over the opinions of the Celtic support. Now we see them as a desperate rag because access to a counter narrative is easily accessible. They can't compete with that. That is bang on the money. And as a society, we tend to seek out people who share the same opinions.. so when a counter opinion is presented it's often not very well received.
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20 Feb 2018, 03:26 PM
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Why is it that Rob McLean saying that we have nothing to worry about only makes me MORE worried? - Quote:
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Do Celtic face a serious title challenge? They drew at home to St Johnstone on Sunday, have picked up only one Premiership point out of a possible six this month and would be only six in front if they lose at Aberdeen this Sunday.
In answer to my original question, I think not. When Brendan Rodgers' Celtic team is asked a key question by domestic opposition, they tend to come up with the right answer. http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/43116215 salma hayek
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20 Feb 2018, 03:42 PM
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- 20 Feb 2018, 01:14 PM
Apart from the toilet cleaners and the admin staff, eff them.
Working for the rags, is morally one of the worst jobs going.
You know you're editor boss is controlled by his/her editor boss, who is deciding and pushing the narrative, which has been passed down from his/her boss, which just happens to coincide with a certain corporation or political parties agenda.
Day after day, lying to the population, telling them what to believe, what to accept, what they should be ok with and what they should be disliking. Keeping certain stories off the front pages or out of the media all together. Moving stories off the front pages quicker because the story doesn't sit right with the guests that frequent the top dogs, after dinner circuits.
The journalist at the bottom, just looking for click bait stories and accepting "its just how it works", knowing the agenda being pushed is what's wrong with this country, are as guilty as the ones at the top, who attend the meetings at Downing Street/Dinners for a select few politicians and important corporation heads. Is it really 'morally one of the worst jobs going'?
What about the people who work in industries that make bombs? The shipbuilders putting together warships? The nuclear industry? The people who work in factories that will put contaminated food on your plate? The people who work in companies so big you don't even know their name, who work in global projects that will cause instability, death and destruction. Right from their Glasgow office.
What about the people who work in retail outlets selling garments made from what is essentially slave labour or child exploitation? How do farmers treat the animals end up on your plate on a table built by someone whose company has decimated forests?
The international salesman and his global footprint as he jets around the world? The council worker whose bosses are taking jollies everywhere, who pander to bigots for votes. The barman whose product kills people, the same with the shop selling fags.
Unless you're at Amnesty or Greenpeace or you have your own ethically sound venture on the go, there will be some moral questions to be asked when your wage goes into the bank.
Probably my last post on the subject. My main point was about the gloating and the worth of a free press, whether you agree with some content, or even despise it.
This illustrates, maybe, the importance...
Grenfell
And the blogger (new media replacement) who wasn't read until it was too late. Grenfell2
Last point, social media was full of stories about how the amount of dead were being deliberately suppressed to avoid social unrest, not helped by local celebs jumping on the bandwagon. The total, rather than ending up a lot more than the initial estimate, IIRC, ended up being less.
But people only want the facts, they always say.
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20 Feb 2018, 03:44 PM
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Why is it that Rob McLean saying that we have nothing to worry about only makes me MORE worried? - Quote:
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Do Celtic face a serious title challenge? They drew at home to St Johnstone on Sunday, have picked up only one Premiership point out of a possible six this month and would be only six in front if they lose at Aberdeen this Sunday.
In answer to my original question, I think not. When Brendan Rodgers' Celtic team is asked a key question by domestic opposition, they tend to come up with the right answer. http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/43116215
Relax. We're not going to lose to Aberdeen. Well now that you AND Rob have assured me, I am starting to get a little more comfortable.
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20 Feb 2018, 04:46 PM
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It was a point worth discussing? Really? "Mikey" is a "dumb dumb" in a panel consisting of Kenny McIntyre, Chick Young and James (Of course I'd play for Rangers) McFadden? Really? Welcome aboard. You'll fit right in.
Yea it was. We're all saying it on here, our form has dipped and we just dropped points to St.Johnstone so aye, it was worthy of discussion. As for Mikey; I stand by what I said. Rarely does he say anything of any use yet he's heralded as a quality pundit purely because he "tells it like it is" and "doesn't hold back". Gie us peace. We're all saying it on here? Ah, that makes it right. Gotcha!
Michael Stewart may or may not be a "dumb dumb" but he doesn't crave the support of others to validate his opinion. I don't always agree with "Mikey" but he's worth paying attention to. You should be so "dumb dumb".
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20 Feb 2018, 04:53 PM
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Why is it that Rob McLean saying that we have nothing to worry about only makes me MORE worried? - Quote:
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Do Celtic face a serious title challenge? They drew at home to St Johnstone on Sunday, have picked up only one Premiership point out of a possible six this month and would be only six in front if they lose at Aberdeen this Sunday.
In answer to my original question, I think not. When Brendan Rodgers' Celtic team is asked a key question by domestic opposition, they tend to come up with the right answer. http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/43116215
Relax. We're not going to lose to Aberdeen. Going to be a lot more on RS this week offering their unbiased opinions re "Aberdeen could just do it you know". We still have the pleasure of Rae and Fergus words of wisdom to come. We are not playing well at the moment,we all can see that but cometh the hour i think we will be up for it, as we have been since BR arrived. Looking forward to next week when us,Hibs and Hearts have all won
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20 Feb 2018, 05:25 PM
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You do get a new sense of optimism (desperation) amongst the SMSM re a serious title challenge now that sevco are in 2nd place. They are pushing the "how good the huns are and how poor we've became etc. on a daily basis. We can expect a few more negative stories about us over the next few weeks (such as the nonsense on Radio Shortbread re Brendan's comments re St Johnstone etc.) and it's up to us to shut them up and put them back in their box.
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20 Feb 2018, 05:40 PM
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You do get a new sense of optimism (desperation) amongst the SMSM re a serious title challenge now that sevco are in 2nd place. They are pushing the "how good the huns are and how poor we've became etc. on a daily basis.  We can expect a few more negative stories about us over the next few weeks (such as the nonsense on Radio Shortbread re Brendan's comments re St Johnstone etc.) and it's up to us to shut them up and put them back in their box. It's not really news and it's not fake news.
We have been poor (in the league) and they have played better.
You only need to look at the match threads on here to see what we.as supporters, think of what we have witnessed.
It's just not nice to see it in print or hear it on TV or radio.
John(Cheatin') Beaton is the ref for their game against Hearts on Saturday. If he gives Hearts what he gave us, it'll be a win for the Huns exect the media, mainstream and social, to go into overdrive on Saturday night.
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20 Feb 2018, 05:47 PM
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Yea it was. We're all saying it on here, our form has dipped and we just dropped points to St.Johnstone so aye, it was worthy of discussion. As for Mikey; I stand by what I said. Rarely does he say anything of any use yet he's heralded as a quality pundit purely because he "tells it like it is" and "doesn't hold back". Gie us peace.  We're all saying it on here? Ah, that makes it right. Gotcha! Michael Stewart may or may not be a "dumb dumb" but he doesn't crave the support of others to validate his opinion. I don't always agree with "Mikey" but he's worth paying attention to. You should be so "dumb dumb". Each to their own I suppose, he's certainly popular among some folk otherwise he wouldn't be on the radio.
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20 Feb 2018, 05:51 PM
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- weebaldy
- 20 Feb 2018, 05:25 PM
You do get a new sense of optimism (desperation) amongst the SMSM re a serious title challenge now that sevco are in 2nd place. They are pushing the "how good the huns are and how poor we've became etc. on a daily basis.  We can expect a few more negative stories about us over the next few weeks (such as the nonsense on Radio Shortbread re Brendan's comments re St Johnstone etc.) and it's up to us to shut them up and put them back in their box.
It's not really news and it's not fake news. We have been poor (in the league) and they have played better. You only need to look at the match threads on here to see what we.as supporters, think of what we have witnessed. It's just not nice to see it in print or hear it on TV or radio. John(Cheatin') Beaton is the ref for their game against Hearts on Saturday. If he gives Hearts what he gave us, it'll be a win for the Huns exect the media, mainstream and social, to go into overdrive on Saturday night. Added to the fact that anyone doing well, all you get is people waiting for them to fail. Whether it's us or anyone else team or individual... Any news of our fallibility will be well read news.
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