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20 Feb 2018, 12:35 PM
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Question... When a story grabs me on what I would consider to be a local title (record, sun, evening times etc) - and it's clicked on but it's about some bollocks from the USA or somewhere else in the world. Is it just me that gets pissed off with that?
More and more, I struggle to find good properly local news content. Stuff happening in a/ Glasgow then b/ Scotland. Unless it's properly major - I ain't interested in world wide news.
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20 Feb 2018, 12:39 PM
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Its being seen to be first. Everything is news now.. it's lazy journalism. Most 'digital reporters' scour social media for anything that remotely could be newsworthy. But that's what news is these days.. everyone does it - even most of the bloggers. Talkingbaws for example, 99% of their stuff is just ripped from social media. If someone of any note posts anything online, it's a story. It's given 300 words, chopped up, battered on a page with 5 ads and a video that's got a pre-roll on before it. This could be the sun, record, times or most blogs out there... be it footy accums, talkingbaws, joe... and so on. Si Ferry is very 'of the moment'. I've seen loads of stories since he began them that aren't obviously taken from his interview... but when you read the story - it is. Take the Stubbs one, I am sure I read a story last week that the headline was about Stubbs. There was a full story, pics etc. And somewhere, loosely credited, they mentioned that it was during the interview with Simon Ferry that subject content of the article was taken from. Very rarely do journo's go out and get the stories, most online content is just lifted from somewhere else. Hell, I've even seen stories on the record that they've lifted from the sun! The story might have a sensational headline, you go on to read it and after a wee paragraph it'll say something like.... "blah blah blah as reported in the Sun" - they're actually reporting on stuff, that was reported on in other papers. Right now, I reckon the DR are getting 30-35% of their ad revenues from digital.
I agree about lifting stories - it's gone on since time immemorial - but I'd be stunned if the Record would write 'as reported in The Sun' (or vice versa) at all. Unless standards had fallen even further. Direct competitors are, or were, never given credit at all, unless they've done something negative. I dunno about the digital ad revenues at the Record. I know for similar papers it's less than 10%. If their digital department has to wash its own face then the dept is too small for 35% revenue. 100% seen 'as reported in the sun' on the daily record. Not often, granted. But 100%.
The DR done a story the other day about the Sun reporting that supporters need to be careful when going to Zenit, and that we could be mugged etc. So Zenit tweeted a retort, which became the basis of an article for the DR. They sad "as mentioned in a downmarket english paper" - I chuckled.
The digital dept in the record makes up less than 35% of the staff. I know the scottish suns less than 35% for sure, and I know they also have a much smaller digital team. The sun (national brand) are different again but bot sure of revenue & numbers.
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20 Feb 2018, 12:43 PM
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Its being seen to be first. Everything is news now.. it's lazy journalism. Most 'digital reporters' scour social media for anything that remotely could be newsworthy. But that's what news is these days.. everyone does it - even most of the bloggers. Talkingbaws for example, 99% of their stuff is just ripped from social media. If someone of any note posts anything online, it's a story. It's given 300 words, chopped up, battered on a page with 5 ads and a video that's got a pre-roll on before it. This could be the sun, record, times or most blogs out there... be it footy accums, talkingbaws, joe... and so on. Si Ferry is very 'of the moment'. I've seen loads of stories since he began them that aren't obviously taken from his interview... but when you read the story - it is. Take the Stubbs one, I am sure I read a story last week that the headline was about Stubbs. There was a full story, pics etc. And somewhere, loosely credited, they mentioned that it was during the interview with Simon Ferry that subject content of the article was taken from. Very rarely do journo's go out and get the stories, most online content is just lifted from somewhere else. Hell, I've even seen stories on the record that they've lifted from the sun! The story might have a sensational headline, you go on to read it and after a wee paragraph it'll say something like.... "blah blah blah as reported in the Sun" - they're actually reporting on stuff, that was reported on in other papers. Right now, I reckon the DR are getting 30-35% of their ad revenues from digital.
I agree about lifting stories - it's gone on since time immemorial - but I'd be stunned if the Record would write 'as reported in The Sun' (or vice versa) at all. Unless standards had fallen even further. Direct competitors are, or were, never given credit at all, unless they've done something negative. I dunno about the digital ad revenues at the Record. I know for similar papers it's less than 10%. If their digital department has to wash its own face then the dept is too small for 35% revenue. Here a non football related article currently on the DR that demonstrates that it's basically lifted from The Sun.. "A source told the Sun"
Spoiler: click to toggle https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/entertainment/celebrity/liam-payne-opens-up-rows-12051900Liam Payne has opened up about rowing with Cheryl just days after rumours the couple are due to split surfaced. The singer confessed the pair's families support different football teams and it would be a big battle over who son Bear would be supporting. Liam joked: "I’m a West Brom fan, but that’s not the problem. Sometimes it is! Well, this is the thing, I mean Cheryl’s not really that massively into football but she likes to bring up where they’re from when this happens, isn’t it, it’s like ‘oh well I’m from here so I’m gonna do this’, erm, that was a great Geordie accent… [laughs]. That is what she sounds like in the morning! "it’s like battle of the grandads at the minute, and he’s going to have a tough little choice on his hands at some point because you’re going to have to disappoint some grandparents. Or he’ll just have to go ‘you know what, forget this, I like ice hockey’. Pick a different sport." Hinting at any fractions in the relationship so soon after stories about splitting is unusual for the normally private pair. It comes after Liam has reportedly called in divorce lawyers after it was revealed Cheryl wants to split within weeks. The former X Factor judge, 34, and One Direction star are “going through a rough patch” with some insiders speculating they could split after just two years together. Sources say Liam, who has been touring the US for almost a year, has been forced to consult a top lawyer to protect his fortune - currently at a huge £54million, compared to Cheryl's £20million. It is thought neither Liam or Cheryl want to end their relationship but are finding it tough with the 1D star's gruelling work schedule. Girls Aloud star Cheryl has been at home looking after their 11-month-old son Bear. It is believed Liam went to a divorce lawyer for some advice - Cheryl lives in their Surrey mansion and they have a handful of shared assets. A source told The Sun: "Liam has sought some legal advice but he still wants to make it work.It'st sensible to be prepared for all options.
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20 Feb 2018, 12:49 PM
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The Record is a horrible paper that relies on Celtic & Rangers (new one) fans buying it yet they at different points slaughter both clubs to varying degrees.
Unfortunately our press media is most Hun inclined with a few Tims but vast majority of editors, sports editors and subs are Huns.
The Sun/ Der Hun is just as bad with Devlin & MacDonald (both majorly bitter Huns believe you me) with a major disdain for Celtic. That’s a pretty well known FACT.
Then you have Ralston & Scott McDermott at Record/SM.
Off top of my head over last 20 odd years 4 incidents @ Record stopped me buying it or reading on line –
Hearse turning up at Celtic Park (90’s) Thugs & Thieves (early 00’s) “Big Jocks Crew” (2011/12 ish) The Most hated man at Ibrox (Lenny when manager)
The Jock slur I actually phoned up to complain it was so crass and disgusting. Stop buying them all after Big Jock crew slur.
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20 Feb 2018, 12:53 PM
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The Sun/ Der Hun is just as bad with Devlin & MacDonald (both majorly bitter Huns believe you me) with a major disdain for Celtic. That’s a pretty well known FACT.
But what about Derek McGregor and David Friel - arent they both big celtic men? I'm sure Derek done a massive piece on Billy McNeill last year... a fantastic few pages.
Its inescapable that you will get journo's with rangers allegiances, as you will with celtic ones. As well as the spread in between.
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20 Feb 2018, 12:57 PM
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Are those upset about indifference or worse aimed toward the Record issuing a rally call to buy and support the rag or is it just a nostalgic nod to mourn its decline? I admire the work of the local butcher and even though I've been vegetarian for twenty year and can't stand the sight of meat I slip him a fiver weekly as he used to do a nice bit of steak pie?
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20 Feb 2018, 01:00 PM
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I agree about lifting stories - it's gone on since time immemorial - but I'd be stunned if the Record would write 'as reported in The Sun' (or vice versa) at all. Unless standards had fallen even further. Direct competitors are, or were, never given credit at all, unless they've done something negative. I dunno about the digital ad revenues at the Record. I know for similar papers it's less than 10%. If their digital department has to wash its own face then the dept is too small for 35% revenue.
Here a non football related article currently on the DR that demonstrates that it's basically lifted from The Sun.. "A source told the Sun" Spoiler: click to toggle https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/entertainment/celebrity/liam-payne-opens-up-rows-12051900Liam Payne has opened up about rowing with Cheryl just days after rumours the couple are due to split surfaced. The singer confessed the pair's families support different football teams and it would be a big battle over who son Bear would be supporting. Liam joked: "I’m a West Brom fan, but that’s not the problem. Sometimes it is! Well, this is the thing, I mean Cheryl’s not really that massively into football but she likes to bring up where they’re from when this happens, isn’t it, it’s like ‘oh well I’m from here so I’m gonna do this’, erm, that was a great Geordie accent… [laughs]. That is what she sounds like in the morning! "it’s like battle of the grandads at the minute, and he’s going to have a tough little choice on his hands at some point because you’re going to have to disappoint some grandparents. Or he’ll just have to go ‘you know what, forget this, I like ice hockey’. Pick a different sport." Hinting at any fractions in the relationship so soon after stories about splitting is unusual for the normally private pair. It comes after Liam has reportedly called in divorce lawyers after it was revealed Cheryl wants to split within weeks. The former X Factor judge, 34, and One Direction star are “going through a rough patch” with some insiders speculating they could split after just two years together. Sources say Liam, who has been touring the US for almost a year, has been forced to consult a top lawyer to protect his fortune - currently at a huge £54million, compared to Cheryl's £20million. It is thought neither Liam or Cheryl want to end their relationship but are finding it tough with the 1D star's gruelling work schedule. Girls Aloud star Cheryl has been at home looking after their 11-month-old son Bear. It is believed Liam went to a divorce lawyer for some advice - Cheryl lives in their Surrey mansion and they have a handful of shared assets. A source told The Sun: "Liam has sought some legal advice but he still wants to make it work.It'st sensible to be prepared for all options. That'll be a Sun story, lifted by the Press Association, then taken by the Daily Mirror (Lucy Buckland is a Mirror writer), and then reproduced in the Record online. This is what I mean about handing social media to weans - why would you advertise your chief rival??? What a beamer for the Record.
20 years ago that would have earned you a rinsing from the chief sub but now it just gets churned out. An old story which bigs up The Sun.
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20 Feb 2018, 01:05 PM
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Listening to the Sportsound podcast from last night gave an insight into the hun mindset that pervades the BBC sports department. The question was, "Do we now have a title race?" Michael Stewart scoffed at the question, saying how can we ask that when Celtic actually increased their lead at the weekend. But Kenny Mac was having none of that, insisting it was a legitimate question. Chick Young and James McFadden both thought not yet, but it was interesting to hear that a title race is only a title race when the zombies are second. I was hoping Stewart would make that connection but he didn't.
To then listen to McIntyre try to manufacture an issue out of Brendan's observation that Tommy Wright must be frustrated that his team can play like they did on Sunday but not have won since December 16 when they beat Rangers was just amazing. He compared it to Levein having a go at Scott Brown and accused Rodgers of hypocrisy. A piece of work is our Kenny.
It was a point worth discussing. I can't go "Mikey" to be honest. He gets credit for being forthright but he's a real try-hard. Last night was a good example; He really thought he was onto something especially contrary and clever when he wasn't. He just kept repeating it over and over. He's a dumb dumb. I think you are doing Stewart a disservice there.
Agree with Torq about Kenny Mac, he is one for the watching but I think the whole point was that Stewart had made the connection that things only become interesting for our media when the zombies are second. He didn't say it but that was the clear implication behind his stance. Listening to the others tie themselves in knots was mildly amusing. They honestly thought that the title race had tightened over the weekend because they only see it from one point of view.
The attempted stitch up of Brendan was a feckin disgrace given the amount of Sevco managerial material they have had to play with over the 6 year history of that clumpany.
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20 Feb 2018, 01:05 PM
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Are those upset about indifference or worse aimed toward the Record issuing a rally call to buy and support rag or is it just a nostalgic nod to mourn its decline? I admire the work of the local butcher and even though I've been vegetarian for twenty year and can't stand the sight of meat I slip him a fiver weekly as he used to a nice bit of steak pie? It's a good analogy but it's more that the butcher employs a couple of hundred people and some are getting laid off. And although the butcher's fare isn't as good as it was 20 or 30 years ago, its inevitable closure when his business is no longer profitable means the...umm...baker and the candlestick won't ever be held to account, and all the meat that does exist will be distributed by fewer and fewer more powerful sources, or be subject to Facebook algorithms which are exploitable by state and non-state actors.
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20 Feb 2018, 01:14 PM
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Apart from the toilet cleaners and the admin staff, eff them.
Working for the rags, is morally one of the worst jobs going.
You know you're editor boss is controlled by his/her editor boss, who is deciding and pushing the narrative, which has been passed down from his/her boss, which just happens to coincide with a certain corporation or political parties agenda.
Day after day, lying to the population, telling them what to believe, what to accept, what they should be ok with and what they should be disliking. Keeping certain stories off the front pages or out of the media all together. Moving stories off the front pages quicker because the story doesn't sit right with the guests that frequent the top dogs, after dinner circuits.
The journalist at the bottom, just looking for click bait stories and accepting "its just how it works", knowing the agenda being pushed is what's wrong with this country, are as guilty as the ones at the top, who attend the meetings at Downing Street/Dinners for a select few politicians and important corporation heads.
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20 Feb 2018, 01:22 PM
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Are those upset about indifference or worse aimed toward the Record issuing a rally call to buy and support rag or is it just a nostalgic nod to mourn its decline? I admire the work of the local butcher and even though I've been vegetarian for twenty year and can't stand the sight of meat I slip him a fiver weekly as he used to a nice bit of steak pie?
It's a good analogy but it's more that the butcher employs a couple of hundred people and some are getting laid off. And although the butcher's fare isn't as good as it was 20 or 30 years ago, its inevitable closure when his business is no longer profitable means the...umm...baker and the candlestick won't ever be held to account, and all the meat that does exist will be distributed by fewer and fewer more powerful sources, or be subject to Facebook algorithms which are exploitable by state and non-state actors. It was better when the candlestick maker was a pension stealing, Israeli superspy?
I'm jesting, a little, and do see your point but I think it's all too late now for the Record. A publication capable of making you feel less informed and stupider than you were prior to picking it up. Every column assumes the reader is an idiot, the language and quality far removed from decades ago. It wants to be your quirky, contemporary Scottish pal that loves the hun and bows down to London, like a squirming I'm yer mate piece by Jackal or Michael Gannon.
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20 Feb 2018, 01:33 PM
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Question... When a story grabs me on what I would consider to be a local title (record, sun, evening times etc) - and it's clicked on but it's about some bollocks from the USA or somewhere else in the world. Is it just me that gets pissed off with that?
More and more, I struggle to find good properly local news content. Stuff happening in a/ Glasgow then b/ Scotland. Unless it's properly major - I ain't interested in world wide news. Oldest trick in the book. In among the usual local stories there's the one about the guy who's car engine ate him while he was checking the oil. You might get an obscure abbreviation of the US state or Chinese province it actually took place in. It probably happened months ago too.
But you still hear people that didnae bother reading closely gabbing about these stories as if they happened just down the road from the wummin whose wheelie bin was knocked over in Uddingston etc. Sometimes claiming that they heard about it from somebody that knows the guy.
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20 Feb 2018, 01:48 PM
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Large swathes of the population have lost all faith in the press, and with good reason. The rise of social media is obviously playing a huge part in the decline but a lack of integrity at the core of the industry - in my opinion - is the major factor. Once the readers started having more convenient options, the fall was inevitable.
A loyal readership has to be earned. Most of the papers gave up on that notion decades ago, banking on the fact there was no other show in town. Now there is and they have no cards left to play.
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20 Feb 2018, 02:02 PM
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Listening to the Sportsound podcast from last night gave an insight into the hun mindset that pervades the BBC sports department. The question was, "Do we now have a title race?" Michael Stewart scoffed at the question, saying how can we ask that when Celtic actually increased their lead at the weekend. But Kenny Mac was having none of that, insisting it was a legitimate question. Chick Young and James McFadden both thought not yet, but it was interesting to hear that a title race is only a title race when the zombies are second. I was hoping Stewart would make that connection but he didn't.
To then listen to McIntyre try to manufacture an issue out of Brendan's observation that Tommy Wright must be frustrated that his team can play like they did on Sunday but not have won since December 16 when they beat Rangers was just amazing. He compared it to Levein having a go at Scott Brown and accused Rodgers of hypocrisy. A piece of work is our Kenny.
It was a point worth discussing. I can't go "Mikey" to be honest. He gets credit for being forthright but he's a real try-hard. Last night was a good example; He really thought he was onto something especially contrary and clever when he wasn't. He just kept repeating it over and over. He's a dumb dumb. It was a point worth discussing? Really? "Mikey" is a "dumb dumb" in a panel consisting of Kenny McIntyre, Chick Young and James (Of course I'd play for Rangers) McFadden? Really?
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20 Feb 2018, 02:03 PM
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Another reason why the Record should die ! "Former Celtic Midfielder " FFS ! https://twitter.com/Daily_Record/status/965934074106990595
Never played in first team 11 yrs ago !
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20 Feb 2018, 02:27 PM
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The Sun/ Der Hun is just as bad with Devlin & MacDonald (both majorly bitter Huns believe you me) with a major disdain for Celtic. That’s a pretty well known FACT.
But what about Derek McGregor and David Friel - arent they both big celtic men? I'm sure Derek done a massive piece on Billy McNeill last year... a fantastic few pages. Its inescapable that you will get journo's with rangers allegiances, as you will with celtic ones. As well as the spread in between. Yip tim journos out there but as I most of the people in some sort of power are Huns in Scotland especially the redtops.
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20 Feb 2018, 02:29 PM
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Large swathes of the population have lost all faith in the press, and with good reason. The rise of social media is obviously playing a huge part in the decline but a lack of integrity at the core of the industry - in my opinion - is the major factor. Once the readers started having more convenient options, the fall was inevitable.
A loyal readership has to be earned. Most of the papers gave up on that notion decades ago, banking on the fact there was no other show in town. Now there is and they have no cards left to play. What is the other show in town?
On the "says a source at the Sun", all the websites do this. Guardian, Daily Mail, Sun, Mirror, Record...
Regarding the Liam Miller headline if you look at the Twitter fallout/explanation/apology it was a Mirror headline that was used in the Record. It was then changed in the Record and an apology was issued (although the original headline remained in the Mirror).
After demanding it was changed, which quickly happened, a lot of Celtic fans then repeatedly posted a screengrab of the headline on various Twitter stories. Was it more important to get the headline changed over concern that a family member might see it and be upset, or was it more important to republish the offending headline for the continuation of the outrage on their behalf?
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20 Feb 2018, 02:42 PM
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Large swathes of the population have lost all faith in the press, and with good reason. The rise of social media is obviously playing a huge part in the decline but a lack of integrity at the core of the industry - in my opinion - is the major factor. Once the readers started having more convenient options, the fall was inevitable.
A loyal readership has to be earned. Most of the papers gave up on that notion decades ago, banking on the fact there was no other show in town. Now there is and they have no cards left to play.
What is the other show in town? On the "says a source at the Sun", all the websites do this. Guardian, Daily Mail, Sun, Mirror, Record... Regarding the Liam Miller headline if you look at the Twitter fallout/explanation/apology it was a Mirror headline that was used in the Record. It was then changed in the Record and an apology was issued (although the original headline remained in the Mirror). After demanding it was changed, which quickly happened, a lot of Celtic fans then repeatedly posted a screengrab of the headline on various Twitter stories. Was it more important to get the headline changed over concern that a family member might see it and be upset, or was it more important to republish the offending headline for the continuation of the outrage on their behalf? New media. Whether it carries fake news or not, it's where people are going. I read two articles on Yahoo news today alone.
I haven't mentioned the Liam Miller headline so not sure why you're bringing it up. I'm making a wider point. The public have lost faith in the newspaper industry (or at least a large section have). They'll never be able to claw that back because people have more options now regards where they get their information.
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20 Feb 2018, 02:50 PM
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- tenerifetim
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They've changed it.
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20 Feb 2018, 02:52 PM
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- tenerifetim
- 20 Feb 2018, 02:03 PM
They've changed it.
No they haven't.
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