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19 Feb 2018, 03:42 PM
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Daily Record is hardly a fair and balanced paper ffs. Do I have sympathy for those that will lose their job? Yes, of course (Apart from some of the hacks). But by and large it's news content is biased and it's sports content is certainly biased.
It's downfall is it's own doing. I won't shed any tears when it finally goes. I really don't understand why any Celtic fan still buys it.
When you say their news content is “biased”, what exactly do you mean? Privately owned newspapers are under no more obligation than the Celtic View to act neutral. And they don’t pretend otherwise when it comes to news and politics - that’s why papers like the Record feel perfectly comfortable telling their readers who they’re backing in general elections, referendums, etc. It’s not the BBC; they’re allowed to have views and leave their readers to decide whether to go along with them or not. Sport is different in that I can’t think of any newspaper that would admit to favouring certain clubs, but there’s certainly nothing preventing them from doing so if they wished. "It’s not the BBC" So the BBC has no views,where have you been?
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19 Feb 2018, 03:58 PM
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There's a massive middle ground between newspaper journalism and bloggers, as if they are the only two options available. There will always be a need and a want for news, for journalism, for investigation. There is however a massively decreasing need for newspapers. It's a dying medium, and nothing will change that. Same as things like Coal mining, it was always going to die out as a jobs area eventually. The majority of regular working class background people will have transferrable skills that carry over to various other offices and admin areas, so hopefully they will mostly be fine.
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19 Feb 2018, 05:04 PM
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Daily Record is hardly a fair and balanced paper ffs. Do I have sympathy for those that will lose their job? Yes, of course (Apart from some of the hacks). But by and large it's news content is biased and it's sports content is certainly biased.
It's downfall is it's own doing. I won't shed any tears when it finally goes. I really don't understand why any Celtic fan still buys it.
When you say their news content is “biased”, what exactly do you mean? Privately owned newspapers are under no more obligation than the Celtic View to act neutral. And they don’t pretend otherwise when it comes to news and politics - that’s why papers like the Record feel perfectly comfortable telling their readers who they’re backing in general elections, referendums, etc. It’s not the BBC; they’re allowed to have views and leave their readers to decide whether to go along with them or not. Sport is different in that I can’t think of any newspaper that would admit to favouring certain clubs, but there’s certainly nothing preventing them from doing so if they wished.
"It’s not the BBC" So the BBC has no views,where have you been? It's quite obvious that "It's not the BBC. They are allowed to have views." Means what is says and nothing else. It means that views are allowed at the DR, unlike at the BBC. It does not say or mean "So the BBC has no views", or appear to have no views or any obligation to appear impartial.
They are saying that complaining about the DR for not being impartial and for promoting its own views is irrelevant because it's not a requirement for them to do otherwise. Unlike at the BBC, where it certainly is relevant to direct that kind of complaint, if you wish.
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19 Feb 2018, 05:14 PM
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I would like to know how much TV airtime BBC Scotland has given to live English football and highlights in each of the past 5 years or so.
Likewise, how much TV airtime has been given to Scottish football, live and highlights, not repeats.
For each of those years is there a cost to BBC Scotland budget who might need to pay the BBC, centrally or is it free.
If it's paid for, just why can that not be sunk into a contract for Scottish football?
I would do a FOI but other things to juggle with.
I am really, really fed up with the increased amount of English football on the BBC. I never watch English football when I had Sky.
It does amazing potential damage to our game, not just financially. Kids are given more exposure to football out with Scotland and might be less attracted to Scottish football and their future team might well be English and their future expenditure goes there. They can be lost to our game. Yes, same applies to every other league, I know the arguments, but in effect this is public money as you and I pay the licence fee.
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19 Feb 2018, 05:31 PM
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I would like to know how much TV airtime BBC Scotland has given to live English football and highlights in each of the past 5 years or so. Likewise, how much TV airtime has been given to Scottish football, live and highlights, not repeats. For each of those years is there a cost to BBC Scotland budget who might need to pay the BBC, centrally or is it free. If it's paid for, just why can that not be sunk into a contract for Scottish football? I would do a FOI but other things to juggle with. I am really, really fed up with the increased amount of English football on the BBC. I never watch English football when I had Sky. It does amazing potential damage to our game, not just financially. Kids are given more exposure to football out with Scotland and might be less attracted to Scottish football and their future team might well be English and their future expenditure goes there. They can be lost to our game. Yes, same applies to every other league, I know the arguments, but in effect this is public money as you and I pay the licence fee.
Great point.
The amazing potential damage to those poor kids having to sit and watch Mohamed Salah when they could be watching Steven MacLean.
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19 Feb 2018, 05:52 PM
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I would like to know how much TV airtime BBC Scotland has given to live English football and highlights in each of the past 5 years or so. Likewise, how much TV airtime has been given to Scottish football, live and highlights, not repeats. For each of those years is there a cost to BBC Scotland budget who might need to pay the BBC, centrally or is it free. If it's paid for, just why can that not be sunk into a contract for Scottish football? I would do a FOI but other things to juggle with. I am really, really fed up with the increased amount of English football on the BBC. I never watch English football when I had Sky. It does amazing potential damage to our game, not just financially. Kids are given more exposure to football out with Scotland and might be less attracted to Scottish football and their future team might well be English and their future expenditure goes there. They can be lost to our game. Yes, same applies to every other league, I know the arguments, but in effect this is public money as you and I pay the licence fee.
Great point. The amazing potential damage to those poor kids having to sit and watch Mohamed Salah when they could be watching Steven MacLean. Yes but if there was a bit more money in the game from BBC, maybe McClean wouldn't be getting a game in the top league
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19 Feb 2018, 05:56 PM
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- 18 Feb 2018, 02:38 PM
Some revealing posts on this thread. There was one ‘serves them right for taking the King’s shilling’. Unless I’m mistaken, there will be quite a lot of folk who ‘take the King’s shilling’. You might have worked in a nationalised industry, where your line manager was Margaret Thatcher who waged war on the working class. Or you might have been a civil servant when Tony Blair was going all gung-ho in the Middle East, after which hundreds of thousands of people died. Maybe you work as a cog in the machine for a company that makes parts for the bombs that obliterate children from the sky and blow up family weddings. Or you’re based at Faslane in a job that could ultimately lead to the mass destruction of the human race. No big deal there!
There seems to be a moral judgement to working in the media that doesn’t really apply to many other jobs when redundancies are being discussed. Jobs going in the rigs? Aye, but serves them right because they’re raping the planet, contributing to global warming and facilitating the early deaths of tens of thousands a year through particle pollution. Don’t really hear much of that when it comes to job losses and the wider threat to the economy.
But, hey, eff them, they should have got a job as a scientist or an engineer or in a call centre, because there was a hearse sent to the club 20 years ago (an idiotic idea, but I suspect the person responsible is nowhere near that position now). The club also seems to have got over it, as they have with other stories, Thugs and Thieves being a prime example, and they continue to work with the paper – and all other papers – who have caused the club friction over the years, because ultimately it’s to their mutual benefit.
And it’s been to the fans’ benefit too. Save Our Celts and Celts for Change both used the ‘anti-Celtic’ media well, with the former saying they went from meeting a ‘hostile reception’ from fans, to a situation a few years later where the history of the club was secured, while those who had ran it into the ground were ousted.
People make editorial mistakes. I would say the Celtic View probably made one with the Paddy McCourt front page a few years ago. But life moves on, in some cases.
There seems to be a bit of a fanaticism when it comes to the echo chamber of the internet, and it’s not restricted to followers of a specific club – even if they do provide plenty of examples. This whole ‘eff the MSM’ thing has taken off and is all over Twitter and Facebook whenever just about anything is discussed (from all sides in arguments) and has even found a spiritual leader in the shape of Donald Trump. Locally, I didn’t like a lot of the coverage of independence referendum either, and I can see why people get narked, so it’s not a defence of that. But there seems to be the equivalent of Salman Rushdie bookburning going on with people looking forward to the day a paper they wouldn’t wipe their arse with no longer exists.
As mentioned earlier, I’m not saying rush out and buy a paper. But the point was made by someone that Theresa May would of course be in favour of papers being saved when 90% of the media is right wing anyway. So one less left wing paper/organisation benefits who exactly? The people who buy tabloids will continue to do so. They will just start buying the Sun or the Daily Mail and, as was also previously noted by another poster, they’ll be sure to keep an eye out for your best interests.
So I’d say it’s a problem for society when these things start going down the pan, because once they’re gone it’s unlikely that they’re ever coming back. And that makes it easier for despots and tyrants to do what they like. Whether people like what’s being written or said, or not, the point is that there’s not much room for a free press in a dictatorship. Does the chief of police resign if there’s no press for whistleblowers to go to? Do the BiFab workers go on a march if there’s no one to bring their story to a wider audience? Does the only bank in your town close down because, even though it’s owned by the taxpayer, it feels no obligation to the community? Does the Government feel compelled to step in if there’s no public pressure? Will there ever be justice for a murdered Emma Caldwell amid allegations of police cover-ups? Will there ever be landmark cases exposing institutional racism and bigotry at the heart of police and other organisations, such as what followed in the wake of Stephen Lawrence’s murder? Will anyone care that rightwing groups are plotting to quite literally have you eating shampoo after Brexit? Will organised crime do in the daylight what they now do in the dark? Will fascist organisations in Britain who are arming themselves be exposed?
Who would carry the interview with former Bury defender Andy Woodward that would lead to the largest ever police investigation into sexual abuse in Britain and would lead to the conviction of serial paedophile Barry Bennell?
Bloggers? Good luck with that.
Every day papers, left and right, will carry stories that are important (they’ll also be full of trash that doesn’t do much for me, and opinions that I don’t particularly like) but those few examples listed above have been championed by some papers whose political slant I really can’t stomach. Journalists, whether you like them or not, do important work. It’s why the cartel peels off their face and sews it onto a football. It’s why they get shot at traffic lights, have fundamentalists come in and shoot them dead in their place of work, why gangsters throw acid in their face at their home front door. When Alex Thompson isn’t answering the really big question about what to call The Rangers (and leaving people ‘disappointed’) he’s in war-torn areas where some of the combatants and governments will happily see him disposed of.
Obviously, little of that is to do with football. That wouldn’t happen in football. Tell that to the family of Rasim Aliyev.
When I was at school, I remember the modern studies teacher saying to read papers you don’t like and listen to views you disagree with. A lot of people seem to detest that principle going by posts on here and elsewhere. Aye, but a hearse, eff them. Long memory CSC. Should have got another job.
From accountants to blue collar workers, there might be a hearse coming to your place of work too. Driven by a robot that will probably be able to say Solidarnosc in an ironic voice while telling you that you should have done something else and, what, didn't you see it coming? In a couple of years, you probably won’t read about that, or the repercussions to the place you live and the people’s lives who have been affected. Unless it’s on a forum or you’re following @firstwitdanews on Twitter, or whatever comes after it.
A wholehearted advocacy of the media - and as revealing a post as any other.
Always a good read when you open the taps Ned.
How robust do you think the journalistic codes of conduct are when jobs are on the line? It seems to me that people are polarised in their view of the media (KDS apart who judge primarily on how anti-Celtic it might appear) and do you think this is connected to the decline in print media?
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19 Feb 2018, 05:58 PM
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I would like to know how much TV airtime BBC Scotland has given to live English football and highlights in each of the past 5 years or so. Likewise, how much TV airtime has been given to Scottish football, live and highlights, not repeats. For each of those years is there a cost to BBC Scotland budget who might need to pay the BBC, centrally or is it free. If it's paid for, just why can that not be sunk into a contract for Scottish football? I would do a FOI but other things to juggle with. I am really, really fed up with the increased amount of English football on the BBC. I never watch English football when I had Sky. It does amazing potential damage to our game, not just financially. Kids are given more exposure to football out with Scotland and might be less attracted to Scottish football and their future team might well be English and their future expenditure goes there. They can be lost to our game. Yes, same applies to every other league, I know the arguments, but in effect this is public money as you and I pay the licence fee. FOI - BBC would say it is an editorial matter what they cover and refuse to answer the FOI.
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19 Feb 2018, 06:07 PM
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Daily Record is hardly a fair and balanced paper ffs. Do I have sympathy for those that will lose their job? Yes, of course (Apart from some of the hacks). But by and large it's news content is biased and it's sports content is certainly biased.
It's downfall is it's own doing. I won't shed any tears when it finally goes. I really don't understand why any Celtic fan still buys it.
When you say their news content is “biased”, what exactly do you mean? Privately owned newspapers are under no more obligation than the Celtic View to act neutral. And they don’t pretend otherwise when it comes to news and politics - that’s why papers like the Record feel perfectly comfortable telling their readers who they’re backing in general elections, referendums, etc. It’s not the BBC; they’re allowed to have views and leave their readers to decide whether to go along with them or not. Sport is different in that I can’t think of any newspaper that would admit to favouring certain clubs, but there’s certainly nothing preventing them from doing so if they wished. I always thought real journalists followed the NUJ Code of Conduct & not Jabbas instructions ? The Lackies at Daily Record are not Journalists IMO !
Spoiler: click to toggle NUJCODEOFCONDUCT AJOURNALIST: AJOURNALIST: Members of the National Union of Journalists are expected to abide by the following professional principles 1 At all times upholds and defends the principle of media freedom, the right of freedom of expression and the right of the public to be informed. 2 Strives to ensure that information disseminated is honestly conveyed, accurate and fair. 3 Does her/his utmost to correct harmful inaccuracies. 4 Differentiates between fact and opinion. 5 Obtains material by honest, straightforward and open means, with the exception of investigations that are both overwhelmingly in the public interest and which involve evidence that cannot be obtained by straightforward means. 6 Does nothing to intrude into anybody’s private life, grief or distress unless justified by overriding consideration of the public interest. 7 Protects the identity of sources who supply information in confidence and material gathered in the course of her/his work. 8 Resists threats or any other inducements to influence, distort or suppress information, and takes no unfair personal advantage of information gained in the course of her/his duties before the information is public knowledge. 9 Produces no material likely to lead to hatred or discrimination on the grounds of a person’s age, gender, race, colour, creed, legal status, disability, marital status, or sexual orientation. 10 Does not by way of statement, voice or appearance endorse by advertisement any commercial product or service save for the promotion of her/his own work or of the medium by which she/he is employed. 11 A journalist shall normally seek the consent of an appropriate adult when interviewing or photographing a child for a story about her/his welfare. 12 Avoids plagiarism. The NUJ believes a journalist has the right to refuse an assignment or be identified as the author of editorial that would break the letter or spirit of the code. The NUJ will fully support any journalist disciplined for asserting her/his right to act according to the code.
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19 Feb 2018, 06:10 PM
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- 18 Feb 2018, 02:38 PM
Some revealing posts on this thread. There was one ‘serves them right for taking the King’s shilling’. Unless I’m mistaken, there will be quite a lot of folk who ‘take the King’s shilling’. You might have worked in a nationalised industry, where your line manager was Margaret Thatcher who waged war on the working class. Or you might have been a civil servant when Tony Blair was going all gung-ho in the Middle East, after which hundreds of thousands of people died. Maybe you work as a cog in the machine for a company that makes parts for the bombs that obliterate children from the sky and blow up family weddings. Or you’re based at Faslane in a job that could ultimately lead to the mass destruction of the human race. No big deal there!
There seems to be a moral judgement to working in the media that doesn’t really apply to many other jobs when redundancies are being discussed. Jobs going in the rigs? Aye, but serves them right because they’re raping the planet, contributing to global warming and facilitating the early deaths of tens of thousands a year through particle pollution. Don’t really hear much of that when it comes to job losses and the wider threat to the economy.
But, hey, eff them, they should have got a job as a scientist or an engineer or in a call centre, because there was a hearse sent to the club 20 years ago (an idiotic idea, but I suspect the person responsible is nowhere near that position now). The club also seems to have got over it, as they have with other stories, Thugs and Thieves being a prime example, and they continue to work with the paper – and all other papers – who have caused the club friction over the years, because ultimately it’s to their mutual benefit.
And it’s been to the fans’ benefit too. Save Our Celts and Celts for Change both used the ‘anti-Celtic’ media well, with the former saying they went from meeting a ‘hostile reception’ from fans, to a situation a few years later where the history of the club was secured, while those who had ran it into the ground were ousted.
People make editorial mistakes. I would say the Celtic View probably made one with the Paddy McCourt front page a few years ago. But life moves on, in some cases.
There seems to be a bit of a fanaticism when it comes to the echo chamber of the internet, and it’s not restricted to followers of a specific club – even if they do provide plenty of examples. This whole ‘eff the MSM’ thing has taken off and is all over Twitter and Facebook whenever just about anything is discussed (from all sides in arguments) and has even found a spiritual leader in the shape of Donald Trump. Locally, I didn’t like a lot of the coverage of independence referendum either, and I can see why people get narked, so it’s not a defence of that. But there seems to be the equivalent of Salman Rushdie bookburning going on with people looking forward to the day a paper they wouldn’t wipe their arse with no longer exists.
As mentioned earlier, I’m not saying rush out and buy a paper. But the point was made by someone that Theresa May would of course be in favour of papers being saved when 90% of the media is right wing anyway. So one less left wing paper/organisation benefits who exactly? The people who buy tabloids will continue to do so. They will just start buying the Sun or the Daily Mail and, as was also previously noted by another poster, they’ll be sure to keep an eye out for your best interests.
So I’d say it’s a problem for society when these things start going down the pan, because once they’re gone it’s unlikely that they’re ever coming back. And that makes it easier for despots and tyrants to do what they like. Whether people like what’s being written or said, or not, the point is that there’s not much room for a free press in a dictatorship. Does the chief of police resign if there’s no press for whistleblowers to go to? Do the BiFab workers go on a march if there’s no one to bring their story to a wider audience? Does the only bank in your town close down because, even though it’s owned by the taxpayer, it feels no obligation to the community? Does the Government feel compelled to step in if there’s no public pressure? Will there ever be justice for a murdered Emma Caldwell amid allegations of police cover-ups? Will there ever be landmark cases exposing institutional racism and bigotry at the heart of police and other organisations, such as what followed in the wake of Stephen Lawrence’s murder? Will anyone care that rightwing groups are plotting to quite literally have you eating shampoo after Brexit? Will organised crime do in the daylight what they now do in the dark? Will fascist organisations in Britain who are arming themselves be exposed?
Who would carry the interview with former Bury defender Andy Woodward that would lead to the largest ever police investigation into sexual abuse in Britain and would lead to the conviction of serial paedophile Barry Bennell?
Bloggers? Good luck with that.
Every day papers, left and right, will carry stories that are important (they’ll also be full of trash that doesn’t do much for me, and opinions that I don’t particularly like) but those few examples listed above have been championed by some papers whose political slant I really can’t stomach. Journalists, whether you like them or not, do important work. It’s why the cartel peels off their face and sews it onto a football. It’s why they get shot at traffic lights, have fundamentalists come in and shoot them dead in their place of work, why gangsters throw acid in their face at their home front door. When Alex Thompson isn’t answering the really big question about what to call The Rangers (and leaving people ‘disappointed’) he’s in war-torn areas where some of the combatants and governments will happily see him disposed of.
Obviously, little of that is to do with football. That wouldn’t happen in football. Tell that to the family of Rasim Aliyev.
When I was at school, I remember the modern studies teacher saying to read papers you don’t like and listen to views you disagree with. A lot of people seem to detest that principle going by posts on here and elsewhere. Aye, but a hearse, eff them. Long memory CSC. Should have got another job.
From accountants to blue collar workers, there might be a hearse coming to your place of work too. Driven by a robot that will probably be able to say Solidarnosc in an ironic voice while telling you that you should have done something else and, what, didn't you see it coming? In a couple of years, you probably won’t read about that, or the repercussions to the place you live and the people’s lives who have been affected. Unless it’s on a forum or you’re following @firstwitdanews on Twitter, or whatever comes after it.
great post Ned but its not the readers to blame, its the owners of those newspapers and their editors who have peddled lies and hate through their pages for decades. They have been involved in scandal after scandal and despite much breast beating have vehemently refused independent legal scrutiny of their behaviour. The result is people are voting with their feet. There was a time when you could read papers with alternate views but the polarisation of those views has made that near impossible.
I'm sure no one on here really wants to see anyone lose their jobs with some exceptions (McKenzie and Littlejohn spring to mind) but for some newspapers they are reaping what they sowed.
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tremendous post Ned
incidentally, there's a lot of people know the record is full of useless garbage and nothing else despite never reading it in their entire lives
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- 18 Feb 2018, 02:38 PM
Some revealing posts on this thread. There was one ‘serves them right for taking the King’s shilling’. Unless I’m mistaken, there will be quite a lot of folk who ‘take the King’s shilling’. You might have worked in a nationalised industry, where your line manager was Margaret Thatcher who waged war on the working class. Or you might have been a civil servant when Tony Blair was going all gung-ho in the Middle East, after which hundreds of thousands of people died. Maybe you work as a cog in the machine for a company that makes parts for the bombs that obliterate children from the sky and blow up family weddings. Or you’re based at Faslane in a job that could ultimately lead to the mass destruction of the human race. No big deal there!
There seems to be a moral judgement to working in the media that doesn’t really apply to many other jobs when redundancies are being discussed. Jobs going in the rigs? Aye, but serves them right because they’re raping the planet, contributing to global warming and facilitating the early deaths of tens of thousands a year through particle pollution. Don’t really hear much of that when it comes to job losses and the wider threat to the economy.
But, hey, eff them, they should have got a job as a scientist or an engineer or in a call centre, because there was a hearse sent to the club 20 years ago (an idiotic idea, but I suspect the person responsible is nowhere near that position now). The club also seems to have got over it, as they have with other stories, Thugs and Thieves being a prime example, and they continue to work with the paper – and all other papers – who have caused the club friction over the years, because ultimately it’s to their mutual benefit.
And it’s been to the fans’ benefit too. Save Our Celts and Celts for Change both used the ‘anti-Celtic’ media well, with the former saying they went from meeting a ‘hostile reception’ from fans, to a situation a few years later where the history of the club was secured, while those who had ran it into the ground were ousted.
People make editorial mistakes. I would say the Celtic View probably made one with the Paddy McCourt front page a few years ago. But life moves on, in some cases.
There seems to be a bit of a fanaticism when it comes to the echo chamber of the internet, and it’s not restricted to followers of a specific club – even if they do provide plenty of examples. This whole ‘eff the MSM’ thing has taken off and is all over Twitter and Facebook whenever just about anything is discussed (from all sides in arguments) and has even found a spiritual leader in the shape of Donald Trump. Locally, I didn’t like a lot of the coverage of independence referendum either, and I can see why people get narked, so it’s not a defence of that. But there seems to be the equivalent of Salman Rushdie bookburning going on with people looking forward to the day a paper they wouldn’t wipe their arse with no longer exists.
As mentioned earlier, I’m not saying rush out and buy a paper. But the point was made by someone that Theresa May would of course be in favour of papers being saved when 90% of the media is right wing anyway. So one less left wing paper/organisation benefits who exactly? The people who buy tabloids will continue to do so. They will just start buying the Sun or the Daily Mail and, as was also previously noted by another poster, they’ll be sure to keep an eye out for your best interests.
So I’d say it’s a problem for society when these things start going down the pan, because once they’re gone it’s unlikely that they’re ever coming back. And that makes it easier for despots and tyrants to do what they like. Whether people like what’s being written or said, or not, the point is that there’s not much room for a free press in a dictatorship. Does the chief of police resign if there’s no press for whistleblowers to go to? Do the BiFab workers go on a march if there’s no one to bring their story to a wider audience? Does the only bank in your town close down because, even though it’s owned by the taxpayer, it feels no obligation to the community? Does the Government feel compelled to step in if there’s no public pressure? Will there ever be justice for a murdered Emma Caldwell amid allegations of police cover-ups? Will there ever be landmark cases exposing institutional racism and bigotry at the heart of police and other organisations, such as what followed in the wake of Stephen Lawrence’s murder? Will anyone care that rightwing groups are plotting to quite literally have you eating shampoo after Brexit? Will organised crime do in the daylight what they now do in the dark? Will fascist organisations in Britain who are arming themselves be exposed?
Who would carry the interview with former Bury defender Andy Woodward that would lead to the largest ever police investigation into sexual abuse in Britain and would lead to the conviction of serial paedophile Barry Bennell?
Bloggers? Good luck with that.
Every day papers, left and right, will carry stories that are important (they’ll also be full of trash that doesn’t do much for me, and opinions that I don’t particularly like) but those few examples listed above have been championed by some papers whose political slant I really can’t stomach. Journalists, whether you like them or not, do important work. It’s why the cartel peels off their face and sews it onto a football. It’s why they get shot at traffic lights, have fundamentalists come in and shoot them dead in their place of work, why gangsters throw acid in their face at their home front door. When Alex Thompson isn’t answering the really big question about what to call The Rangers (and leaving people ‘disappointed’) he’s in war-torn areas where some of the combatants and governments will happily see him disposed of.
Obviously, little of that is to do with football. That wouldn’t happen in football. Tell that to the family of Rasim Aliyev.
When I was at school, I remember the modern studies teacher saying to read papers you don’t like and listen to views you disagree with. A lot of people seem to detest that principle going by posts on here and elsewhere. Aye, but a hearse, eff them. Long memory CSC. Should have got another job.
From accountants to blue collar workers, there might be a hearse coming to your place of work too. Driven by a robot that will probably be able to say Solidarnosc in an ironic voice while telling you that you should have done something else and, what, didn't you see it coming? In a couple of years, you probably won’t read about that, or the repercussions to the place you live and the people’s lives who have been affected. Unless it’s on a forum or you’re following @firstwitdanews on Twitter, or whatever comes after it.
"Journalists, whether you like them or not, do important work. It’s why the cartel peels off their face and sews it onto a football. It’s why they get shot at traffic lights, have fundamentalists come in and shoot them dead in their place of work, why gangsters throw acid in their face at their home front door."
Are we still talking about the DR?
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Some revealing posts on this thread. There was one ‘serves them right for taking the King’s shilling’. Unless I’m mistaken, there will be quite a lot of folk who ‘take the King’s shilling’. You might have worked in a nationalised industry, where your line manager was Margaret Thatcher who waged war on the working class. Or you might have been a civil servant when Tony Blair was going all gung-ho in the Middle East, after which hundreds of thousands of people died. Maybe you work as a cog in the machine for a company that makes parts for the bombs that obliterate children from the sky and blow up family weddings. Or you’re based at Faslane in a job that could ultimately lead to the mass destruction of the human race. No big deal there!
There seems to be a moral judgement to working in the media that doesn’t really apply to many other jobs when redundancies are being discussed. Jobs going in the rigs? Aye, but serves them right because they’re raping the planet, contributing to global warming and facilitating the early deaths of tens of thousands a year through particle pollution. Don’t really hear much of that when it comes to job losses and the wider threat to the economy.
But, hey, eff them, they should have got a job as a scientist or an engineer or in a call centre, because there was a hearse sent to the club 20 years ago (an idiotic idea, but I suspect the person responsible is nowhere near that position now). The club also seems to have got over it, as they have with other stories, Thugs and Thieves being a prime example, and they continue to work with the paper – and all other papers – who have caused the club friction over the years, because ultimately it’s to their mutual benefit.
And it’s been to the fans’ benefit too. Save Our Celts and Celts for Change both used the ‘anti-Celtic’ media well, with the former saying they went from meeting a ‘hostile reception’ from fans, to a situation a few years later where the history of the club was secured, while those who had ran it into the ground were ousted.
People make editorial mistakes. I would say the Celtic View probably made one with the Paddy McCourt front page a few years ago. But life moves on, in some cases.
There seems to be a bit of a fanaticism when it comes to the echo chamber of the internet, and it’s not restricted to followers of a specific club – even if they do provide plenty of examples. This whole ‘eff the MSM’ thing has taken off and is all over Twitter and Facebook whenever just about anything is discussed (from all sides in arguments) and has even found a spiritual leader in the shape of Donald Trump. Locally, I didn’t like a lot of the coverage of independence referendum either, and I can see why people get narked, so it’s not a defence of that. But there seems to be the equivalent of Salman Rushdie bookburning going on with people looking forward to the day a paper they wouldn’t wipe their arse with no longer exists.
As mentioned earlier, I’m not saying rush out and buy a paper. But the point was made by someone that Theresa May would of course be in favour of papers being saved when 90% of the media is right wing anyway. So one less left wing paper/organisation benefits who exactly? The people who buy tabloids will continue to do so. They will just start buying the Sun or the Daily Mail and, as was also previously noted by another poster, they’ll be sure to keep an eye out for your best interests.
So I’d say it’s a problem for society when these things start going down the pan, because once they’re gone it’s unlikely that they’re ever coming back. And that makes it easier for despots and tyrants to do what they like. Whether people like what’s being written or said, or not, the point is that there’s not much room for a free press in a dictatorship. Does the chief of police resign if there’s no press for whistleblowers to go to? Do the BiFab workers go on a march if there’s no one to bring their story to a wider audience? Does the only bank in your town close down because, even though it’s owned by the taxpayer, it feels no obligation to the community? Does the Government feel compelled to step in if there’s no public pressure? Will there ever be justice for a murdered Emma Caldwell amid allegations of police cover-ups? Will there ever be landmark cases exposing institutional racism and bigotry at the heart of police and other organisations, such as what followed in the wake of Stephen Lawrence’s murder? Will anyone care that rightwing groups are plotting to quite literally have you eating shampoo after Brexit? Will organised crime do in the daylight what they now do in the dark? Will fascist organisations in Britain who are arming themselves be exposed?
Who would carry the interview with former Bury defender Andy Woodward that would lead to the largest ever police investigation into sexual abuse in Britain and would lead to the conviction of serial paedophile Barry Bennell?
Bloggers? Good luck with that.
Every day papers, left and right, will carry stories that are important (they’ll also be full of trash that doesn’t do much for me, and opinions that I don’t particularly like) but those few examples listed above have been championed by some papers whose political slant I really can’t stomach. Journalists, whether you like them or not, do important work. It’s why the cartel peels off their face and sews it onto a football. It’s why they get shot at traffic lights, have fundamentalists come in and shoot them dead in their place of work, why gangsters throw acid in their face at their home front door. When Alex Thompson isn’t answering the really big question about what to call The Rangers (and leaving people ‘disappointed’) he’s in war-torn areas where some of the combatants and governments will happily see him disposed of.
Obviously, little of that is to do with football. That wouldn’t happen in football. Tell that to the family of Rasim Aliyev.
When I was at school, I remember the modern studies teacher saying to read papers you don’t like and listen to views you disagree with. A lot of people seem to detest that principle going by posts on here and elsewhere. Aye, but a hearse, eff them. Long memory CSC. Should have got another job.
From accountants to blue collar workers, there might be a hearse coming to your place of work too. Driven by a robot that will probably be able to say Solidarnosc in an ironic voice while telling you that you should have done something else and, what, didn't you see it coming? In a couple of years, you probably won’t read about that, or the repercussions to the place you live and the people’s lives who have been affected. Unless it’s on a forum or you’re following @firstwitdanews on Twitter, or whatever comes after it.
"Journalists, whether you like them or not, do important work. It’s why the cartel peels off their face and sews it onto a football. It’s why they get shot at traffic lights, have fundamentalists come in and shoot them dead in their place of work, why gangsters throw acid in their face at their home front door." Are we still talking about the DR? the clue is in the thread title
although the last incident happened to a scottish sun reporter, so fairly comparable to the record
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There's no specific clue in the title either way and it last bit was about a freelance writer.
It was a rhetorical question anyway- the idea of comparing DR to Charlie Hebdo etc !
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19 Feb 2018, 07:08 PM
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There's no specific clue in the title either way and it last bit was about a freelance writer.
It was a rhetorical question anyway- the idea of comparing DR to Charlie Hebdo etc ! The Media is pretty much a catch all for the media and that includes the record
russell findlay was the sun's investigations reporter at the time of the acid attack
and the comparison is fair if people are at risk at work. a criminal investigations reporter at work in glasgow is at risk from being physically attacked. the russell findlay incident was a fairly big incident but other violent attacks occur often, though not to that extent
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So we have to mourn the demise of a rag that, only last week, was pretty much tweeting a girfuy at the death of a 36-year old guy because they thought that's what would appeal to their chosen demograph.
Cry me a river.
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19 Feb 2018, 07:59 PM
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There's no specific clue in the title either way and it last bit was about a freelance writer.
It was a rhetorical question anyway- the idea of comparing DR to Charlie Hebdo etc !
The Media is pretty much a catch all for the media and that includes the record russell findlay was the sun's investigations reporter at the time of the acid attack and the comparison is fair if people are at risk at work. a criminal investigations reporter at work in glasgow is at risk from being physically attacked. the russell findlay incident was a fairly big incident but other violent attacks occur often, though not to that extent I asked (rhetorically)if we we're still talking about the DR. There really is no clue in the title even if you do take it as a straight question so your comment was unfounded.
Yes,real journalism is important, the DR not so much.
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Daily Record is hardly a fair and balanced paper ffs. Do I have sympathy for those that will lose their job? Yes, of course (Apart from some of the hacks). But by and large it's news content is biased and it's sports content is certainly biased.
It's downfall is it's own doing. I won't shed any tears when it finally goes. I really don't understand why any Celtic fan still buys it. The annoying thing is, those same hacks will likely find it quite easy to get paid jobs doing a similar thing elsewhere. The office staff etc less so.
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And that's the way we like it...
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Daily Record is hardly a fair and balanced paper ffs. Do I have sympathy for those that will lose their job? Yes, of course (Apart from some of the hacks). But by and large it's news content is biased and it's sports content is certainly biased.
It's downfall is it's own doing. I won't shed any tears when it finally goes. I really don't understand why any Celtic fan still buys it.
The annoying thing is, those same hacks will likely find it quite easy to get paid jobs doing a similar thing elsewhere. The office staff etc less so. Very much doubt that (the hacks walking into other jobs). As hun apologists they have had a great time, churning out barely-tweaked PR statements, orders from Traynor, moonbeams of their own creation; sitting on their arses scouring fan forums for titbits in place of actually working and, generally, pandering to the Bigot Pound by belittling Celtic at every turn: they’ve had a ball, alright, but I would think that kind of CV could only appeal to the remaining Scottish tabloids, and they’re not exactly flourishing. The Scottish edition of The Scum maybe take Jackson, being the Chief hun stooge, but the rest could be unemployable.
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Rig workers raping the planet... Faslane workers causing a nuclear holocaust..... Daily Record ‘journalists’ reporting truth and justice....
Two of those are a stretch of the imagination. One isn’t. I’ll leave it to the resident moral champions to decide
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