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CELTBHOY1988
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17 Feb 2018, 12:34 PM
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That Leckie article was almost like an Tinsoldier send up.
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17 Feb 2018, 01:45 PM
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There are few enough outlets that offer a variety of different news and opinions in Scotland
If these outlets really did offer what you suggest then arguably there might be some ray of hope, and perhaps even a shred of sympathy. But when you have a largely unregulated industry full of piss poor managers employing a short sighted strategy with a culturally backward approach to the value of real news and worthwhile opinion then they fully deserve their fate.
Is that what's happening in the global printed media then, all piss poor managers with a culturally backward approach to the value of real news and worthwhile opinion? Even Theresa May had recognised that local and national newspapers are essential to a democracy. Probably quite a few folk on this board that have seen these papers campaign for their jobs and their health. I doubt anyone would expect much in the way of solidarity etc, but folk gloating is a bit of a stretch tbh. My issue with Newspapers is nothing to do with football rivalries etc its the blatant attempt they make to swing the political spectrum in favour of which ever party the owners support.
The saddest thing about the masses in this country is that they seem to be so easily swayed by papers. Scottish independence, Brexit, labour-snp coalition scaremongering resulting in a tory majority, just being 3 recent examples where I genuinely believe they have swayed the result of an election/referendum.
Maybe I am just idealistic/ Naive, but The press should be wholly independent and just report the news, rather than giving everything a political slant.
Of course Teresa may supports the national press. 90% of them are right wing.
Saying that, it goes without saying I wiould take no joy in all of those people who would lose their job
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17 Feb 2018, 01:48 PM
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The pro-McLeish propaganda campaign in full flow already on Radio Scotland courtesy of David Tanner (we should all stop whining on social media as who would be more inspiring than McLeish? - Martin Luther King? Nelson Mandela?)
That gem was followed by Tam Cowan stating that instead of two years we should have game him six and let him get on with building for the future. Sadly, that didn’t appear to be one of his shampooe jokes.
Finally, that well know sage Bob Malcolm informs us that he’s glad he (McLeish) got the job
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17 Feb 2018, 01:51 PM
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The pro-McLeish propaganda campaign in full flow already on Radio Scotland courtesy of David Tanner (we should all stop whining on social media as who would be more inspiring than McLeish? - Martin Luther King? Nelson Mandela?)
That gem was followed by Tam Cowan stating that instead of two years we should have game him six and let him get on with building for the future. Sadly, that didn’t appear to be one of his shampooe jokes.
Finally, that well know sage Bob Malcolm informs us that he’s glad he (McLeish) got the job Did Malcolm add ftp at the end.
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17 Feb 2018, 01:53 PM
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Bill Leckie has a good piece on the game last night, until he has a wee dig at the GB. Possibly couldn't help himself but then again I'm sure he will report what he hears when rangers play at the weekend. LOUD AND PROUD Celtic’s win against Zenit St Petersburg was one of the finest European nights at Parkhead says Bill LeckieThe margins between them going over to Russia 1-0 up or 4-0 up were as thin as the sole on a modern-day boot Spoiler: click to toggle By Bill Leckie THEY buzzed and they swarmed around the box, they whizzed and they fizzed balls across the face of goal. They pressed and they passed from first to last, all energy and creativity and possibilities. And as the stands responded, as the atmosphere crackled and the thunder rolled and the 67th minute light show glittered, suddenly this tie didn’t feel like a consolation prize after all. It might not have had the trappings of a Champions League showpiece, less hype and no theme tune to make a million hairs stand up on 60,000 necks, but this was a night when Parkhead was at its European finest, its loudest, its proudest. Only question is now, will it get another like it this season? Well, at least they’ve given themselves a right good chance. And boy, did they earn that chance. In all honesty, the margins between them going over to Russia 1-0 up or 4-0 up were as thin as the sole on a modern-day boot. Callum McGregor, Olivier Ntcham, James Forrest, Moussa Dembele – the chances so nearly opened up wide for them, the bounce so nearly fell their way time and again. Maybe if that bounce had been a good one just once early on, they might have had two or three before half an hour had gone by; it was that sort of performance, one that was always on the very cusp of turning promise into profit. All the while, there stood Roberto Mancini in his puffer jacket and with is puffed-out cheeks, pacing the track, waving his arms all Italian-like, muttering to himself in the realisation of just how thin a line his troops were treading. He knew Zenit were playing like exactly what they were, a team without a competitive game since before Christmas. Not sharp enough, not properly tuned in to each other. They were as faceless and passive for most of this 90 minutes as their coach was animated. And as they got themselves through it as unscathed as possible, how Mancini must have yearned for a McGregor in his ranks. Everything good Celtic did came through him, sitting in the hole behind lone frontman Dembele. They constantly fed passes into him on the half-turn, his brain already making the next move before the ball arrived, always a step ahead of anyone else on the park. So it was fitting that when, finally, the goal came that lifted the roof off the place, he was the man who got it. Or rather, who absolutely buried it. Yes, he had time and he had space when Charley Musonda hung the ball up from out on the left. But how often do you see guys with that time and space banjo one into the crowd? How often does their touch and their temperament let them down and the chance is lost? Not this boy, not a prayer. As it bounced up high, he was on those twinkle toes of his, taking it on his chest and thrashing it into the roof of the net. Andrei Lunev might as well not have been in the nets. It was a moment McGregor thoroughly deserved and that Celtic as a team were more than due. Question is, will it be enough to guarantee at least one more European home night this season? You wondered if this one would have the same vibe as the Champions League, because so often at so many stadiums you could put the same two clubs on either sides of the white line in the two continental competitions two nights in an row and the feeling would be totally different. Last night, the stands were certainly slowish to fill up, the pre-match not as charged as it had been against PSG and Bayern and so many before. But once the teams emerged, it rocked. As You’ll Never Walk Alone subsided and kick off loomed, the wedge of sky-blue-scarfed Zenit supporters to the right of the main stand had to yell with all their might to even make a dent in the din at kick-off and might as well have been shouting in a wind tunnel. Above the opposite corner flag, the Green Brigade arrived to find thousands of coloured flags over their seat-backs, then unfurled a giant, Soviet-style banner with the club name in Cyrillic-style writing – well, with the “e” backwards, at least – and city landmarks picked out in black against green and gold. Impressive, that. A feeling that instantly evaporated as they folded it back up for kick-off and broke into a chant of Oo Ah Up The ‘Ra. What a strange bunch the Parkhead club’s hardcore are; so often inventive and super-positive yet in the next breath coming out with chants that make you wish they were kept in a soundproofed cage. Still, that’s for their club to eventually deal with. But not this morning, you’d think, not after a result like this. Brendan Rodgers got everything he could have asked for from his players last night and then some. They, in turn, got all the backing they could have dreamed of from the punters. Together, they can be heady combination, a match for anyone. If Celtic can finish this job without them and with the Russian hordes baying for their heads, it might just be the best result Rodgers has racked up yet. https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/2237888/celtic-zenit-europe-parkhead-bill-leckie/
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THEY buzzed and they swarmed around the box, they whizzed and they fizzed balls across the face of goal. They pressed and they passed from first to last, all energy and creativity and possibilities.  This man is paid to write. I'm sure Bill's ears will be as alert the next time the hun hordes are around singing about fenian blood. Reads more like something that should be in Roy of the Rovers.
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17 Feb 2018, 03:17 PM
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I agree, there is a role for news media, especially in the types of examples you give. I don’t think there is sufficient quality and focus there. I don’t think printed media as a format will survive much longer (although maybe I’ve read too much of the AI thread), but with regard to figuring out what an audience wants, hasn’t it been more about trying to adapt the customer to the industry needs? Like I mentioned to Ned Rise this all has the feel of being consumed by the monster you created.
Aye, but the idea that people are going to give up their time to carry out investigative journalism for free, or for a few shares on a blog, is fanciful. There are some great blogs and podcasts etc out there, but from what I've seen it's not really a decent alternative. The point about the job losses in the steel industry etc was less to do with individuals, it was to do with papers campaigning so save those jobs. I don't think the media have created the monster, it's trying to survive it. There's not enough money in digital to pay for the kind of things you're highlighting you want to see. At the end of the day, people just don't buy printed news (and I fully understand why that is, because I rarely do it myself). I'm just saying the alternative isn't as rosy as people think, and it certainly isn't as regulated.
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17 Feb 2018, 05:23 PM
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There seems to be a perception that at one point the newspaper industry was filled with fair and impartial reporters who were only interested in the pursuit of truth. It's nonsense. There have always been good journalists and there have always been bad ones.
Is there more bad ones than there used to be? Maybe, I don't really know, but it seems to me that before forming an opinion on anything you should really check out more than one source. The Record was considered a rag by the Celtic support long before they started denying the reality of what liquidation means. In fact, I haven't met a Celtic fan that was surprised they very quickly started singing off the pre prepared hymn sheet.
Who cares? Leave them to delude the delusional. It suits us just fine.
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17 Feb 2018, 05:40 PM
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- 16 Feb 2018, 07:53 PM
The record has been anti Celtic for as long as I can remember - just off the top of my head, the hearse sent to CP when it looked like we might go under, the Thugs, thieves headline, the time they put a 4 page spread on the 10th? anniversary of rangers battle with leeds on the day we had a big CL night and the new team were still languishing in the championship (I wonder what sector of the population they were aiming for?), negativity in our transfers / positivity in theirs - much as I don't want to see anyone losing their jobs, I won't miss the record or its biased reporting - or the sunday post and its sectarian employment policy (no papes need apply).
remember a few years ago you got a wee midweek magazine in the paper ? photo in the magazine of paul lambert with an obviously photo shopped " popes eleven " scarf on, getting interviewed on the pitch , thing was same photo was on the back of the paper .... green and white celtic scarf . funny that .
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17 Feb 2018, 05:49 PM
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The appointment of Mcleish will never give you a better example of how the media - in particular the sports media - works.
McLeish is well know to journalists and is regarded as very approachable. They have his contact details and he is happy that is the case. If they approach him, he will do his best to accommodate them. Nowt wrong in that if you are McLeish. You get a far better reaction to bad mistakes or defeats. They will go a lot easier on you, knowing that you've either helped them in the past or could help them in the future - or just you've been decent towards them.
But this relationship shows up the sports media. Websites such as this, show far better the fan reaction to the appointment which has been very very negative. Yet the sports media have been full of praise for "Big Eck" with a few snipes at the SFA - see Keith Jackson and Ewen Murray.
Very few seem willing to point out that the last thing of note he did was in 2011 and a trophy that coincided with his team getting relegated. And that since then he has failed and been out of work for two years. There seems very few questions from the media that given the change to the game and tactics over the past decade, whether or not McLeish's record over the past ten years suggests that he has adapted to the new conditions.
And all those saying that folk are being churlish with regards to his decision to abandon Scotland in 2007, forget that if players can't be @rsed playing for Scotland, he is in no position to play the commitment card.
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17 Feb 2018, 07:31 PM
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As I remember it McLeish took over for the last four games of the Euro campaign because Smith abandoned the team. He never said he was going to take the job permanently and he fulfilled every game as Scotland manager that he was asked to.
People keep accusing him of walking out like Smith did but its not the same thing. There's plenty of other things you can accuse him of but that isn't one of them.
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17 Feb 2018, 07:43 PM
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As I remember it McLeish took over for the last four games of the Euro campaign because Smith abandoned the team. He never said he was going to take the job permanently and he fulfilled every game as Scotland manager that he was asked to.
People keep accusing him of walking out like Smith did but its not the same thing. There's plenty of other things you can accuse him of but that isn't one of them. He saw out the campaign as you say, and very few managers would have turned down the chance to manage in the Premiership at the time.
Smith could have burned Hampden to the ground before walking out mid- campaign and he still would have been forgiven for not being able to resist the pull of Ra Gers once more.
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17 Feb 2018, 08:12 PM
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As I remember it McLeish took over for the last four games of the Euro campaign because Smith abandoned the team. He never said he was going to take the job permanently and he fulfilled every game as Scotland manager that he was asked to.
People keep accusing him of walking out like Smith did but its not the same thing. There's plenty of other things you can accuse him of but that isn't one of them.
He saw out the campaign as you say, and very few managers would have turned down the chance to manage in the Premiership at the time. Smith could have burned Hampden to the ground before walking out mid- campaign and he still would have been forgiven for not being able to resist the pull of Ra Gers once more. First Time McLeish was Scotland manager
Agree about Smith. But McLeish signed a three year contract and walked out on it. I don't condemn the guy for doing it - I'd have done the same. But having returned as Scotland manager, can he dare to questions a players' commitment to his country given what he did ? genuine question.
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As I remember it McLeish took over for the last four games of the Euro campaign because Smith abandoned the team. He never said he was going to take the job permanently and he fulfilled every game as Scotland manager that he was asked to.
People keep accusing him of walking out like Smith did but its not the same thing. There's plenty of other things you can accuse him of but that isn't one of them.
He saw out the campaign as you say, and very few managers would have turned down the chance to manage in the Premiership at the time. Smith could have burned Hampden to the ground before walking out mid- campaign and he still would have been forgiven for not being able to resist the pull of Ra Gers once more. Aside from the fact the process has been a complete joke I'm not sure what other options were really left. I don't think Clarke would have left Killie so early into his tenure and I don't think Lennon would have wanted it either.
Looking back, it seems kind of pointless to have sacked Strachan.
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As I remember it McLeish took over for the last four games of the Euro campaign because Smith abandoned the team. He never said he was going to take the job permanently and he fulfilled every game as Scotland manager that he was asked to.
People keep accusing him of walking out like Smith did but its not the same thing. There's plenty of other things you can accuse him of but that isn't one of them.
He saw out the campaign as you say, and very few managers would have turned down the chance to manage in the Premiership at the time. Smith could have burned Hampden to the ground before walking out mid- campaign and he still would have been forgiven for not being able to resist the pull of Ra Gers once more. First Time McLeish was Scotland managerAgree about Smith. But McLeish signed a three year contract and walked out on it. I don't condemn the guy for doing it - I'd have done the same. But having returned as Scotland manager, can he dare to questions a players' commitment to his country given what he did ? genuine question. Has he actually done that or is this just a hypothetical? Cross that bridge when we come to it I suppose. Might never actually happen.
Looking at this objectively, it's not McLeish's fault Regan made a dog's breakfast of all this. Don't blame him for taking it.
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First Time McLeish was Scotland managerAgree about Smith. But McLeish signed a three year contract and walked out on it. I don't condemn the guy for doing it - I'd have done the same. But having returned as Scotland manager, can he dare to questions a players' commitment to his country given what he did ? genuine question.
Has he actually done that or is this just a hypothetical? Cross that bridge when we come to it I suppose. Might never actually happen. Looking at this objectively, it's not McLeish's fault Regan made a dog's breakfast of all this. Don't blame him for taking it. Of course its being hypothetical BUT we've got two friendly games coming up at the end of the season that players have already expressed disquiet about. What if players say, no thanks, I need a break ? Can McLeish turn round and say, guys, come on this is Scotland ?
btw I'm not having a go at McLeish for taking it - I genuinely hope he proves me wrong. But from where I'm standing, it really is a desperate appointment by the SFA.
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17 Feb 2018, 08:32 PM
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deep First Time McLeish was Scotland managerAgree about Smith. But McLeish signed a three year contract and walked out on it. I don't condemn the guy for doing it - I'd have done the same. But having returned as Scotland manager, can he dare to questions a players' commitment to his country given what he did ? genuine question.
Has he actually done that or is this just a hypothetical? Cross that bridge when we come to it I suppose. Might never actually happen. Looking at this objectively, it's not McLeish's fault Regan made a dog's breakfast of all this. Don't blame him for taking it.
Of course its being hypothetical BUT we've got two friendly games coming up at the end of the season that players have already expressed disquiet about. What if players say, no thanks, I need a break ? Can McLeish turn round and say, guys, come on this is Scotland ? Seeing as he’s the manager then yes, but I’d expect him to be diplomatic enough to maybe use these games to blood new players
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Of course its being hypothetical BUT we've got two friendly games coming up at the end of the season that players have already expressed disquiet about. What if players say, no thanks, I need a break ? Can McLeish turn round and say, guys, come on this is Scotland ?
Seeing as he’s the manager then yes, but I’d expect him to be diplomatic enough to maybe use these games to blood new players Maybe you're right, but I'm not convinced there is going to be a queue of players for these games. And I'm also not sure that more experienced players would take kindly to McLeish playing the "Your Country" card given his own record.
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Imagine you are KT, McGregor, Armstrong or Forrest* and you go from the Celtic training drills, based on technique and ball retention, and then you end up with "Big Eck" teaching you to launch the ball into row Z or fire it up to the big man. Jesus.
*I'm leaving out Brown as surely this will signal his retirement from international duty
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Effing Leckie. Eff that running in the rain, GSOH, Muzz carrot
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Record in trouble, you say? Oh dear. How sad. Never mind.
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